Current Events Has Zoro Surpassed Mihawk?
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So we agree that circumstances are a legitimate cause in Luffy's case but why not in Zoro's case? Especially when he's been fighting all night and using up his Haki both before & on the Rooftop? Alright.
And how does that imply that Zoro cannot go on using KoH longer than what he needed to beat King?
We've got explicit confirmation that he fainted after the fight due to the Mink Medicine setting in and not due to a side effect of using KoH.
I don't disagree. But it's portrayal nonetheless. In fact, I would even argue that Luffy couldn't use Future Sight (the PU that helped him beat a YC1) in that instance due to him being in a fit of rage, like you said.
But you aren't being fair in scaling Zoro.
And how does that imply that Zoro cannot go on using KoH longer than what he needed to beat King?
We've got explicit confirmation that he fainted after the fight due to the Mink Medicine setting in and not due to a side effect of using KoH.
I don't disagree. But it's portrayal nonetheless. In fact, I would even argue that Luffy couldn't use Future Sight (the PU that helped him beat a YC1) in that instance due to him being in a fit of rage, like you said.
But you aren't being fair in scaling Zoro.
The same way he did in canon. Luffy didn't fare any better than Zoro before CoC either. So I don't see why we're acting like current Zoro is pre-Udon Luffy level or something. Oh, and Luffy was not eating TBs left and right even when he was able to fight Kaido on equal footing. He was avoiding them whenever he can. Being able to hurt your opponent is the most important factor in a fight. Of course, Zoro would lose to Kaido regardless of whether he has CoC or not. That doesn't mean he's going to be useless though.
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The difference b/w Kin'emon and Zoro is that Kin'emon had the better tools to hurt Kaido than pre-Udon Luffy while it's the opposite for Luffy and Zoro. Luffy has the more advanced Haki, but it was Zoro that was hurting Kaido better.
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The difference b/w Kin'emon and Zoro is that Kin'emon had the better tools to hurt Kaido than pre-Udon Luffy while it's the opposite for Luffy and Zoro. Luffy has the more advanced Haki, but it was Zoro that was hurting Kaido better.
When I say "useless" I mean in the grand scheme of a fight against a top tier, who would undoubtedly be able to withstand the time limit on King of Hell.
If Mihawk has AdCoC, which I see no reason he shouldn't, then current Zoro is only lasting as long as King of Hell can last. In a World where equals fight for days on end, that means Zoro still has a ways to go before he is on Mihawks level.
If Mihawk has AdCoC, which I see no reason he shouldn't, then current Zoro is only lasting as long as King of Hell can last. In a World where equals fight for days on end, that means Zoro still has a ways to go before he is on Mihawks level.
"Kinnemon had better tools"
"Zoro did better "
Forgetting Zoro has enma which counters kaido hard
Even then zoro didn't do better
That's why he was never hyped by kaiso
Kaido started seeing 5 top pirates when he got hurt by ryuo Luffy while he gave Zoro a kid approval "enough now, go sleep"
It's luffy who had Kaido out cold with ryuo g4 while ashura zoro couldn't do that ...hell, even Killer had kaido out cold.
"Zoro did better "
Forgetting Zoro has enma which counters kaido hard
Even then zoro didn't do better
That's why he was never hyped by kaiso
Kaido started seeing 5 top pirates when he got hurt by ryuo Luffy while he gave Zoro a kid approval "enough now, go sleep"
It's luffy who had Kaido out cold with ryuo g4 while ashura zoro couldn't do that ...hell, even Killer had kaido out cold.
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Obviously, Zoro is not yet a top-tier but he should be able to hold his own against most if not all top-tiers at this point. You need power more than anything else to fight off top tiers. And that's one area where Zoro is definitely not lacking. He was threatening Kaido and Big Mom even before CoC. He wasn't all that different from Luffy during Rooftop, and Luffy went on to match Kaido blow for blow even in the base as soon as he learned to coat his attacks in CoC.
Since CoC is directly proportional to one's strength, I don't see why Zoro'd be that much different from post-CoC Luffy when they were relative before CoC. Obviously, Zoro's not quite as strong as Luffy but he's not going to be still close to post-Udon Luffy when Luffy went on to become a full-fledged top-tier.
Luffy vs Kaido likely lasted less than 1.5 hours. Big Mom vs the duo was probably less than 30 minutes. The fights don't always last days. It's a matter of how intense the fight is. Zoro wouldn't need KoH just to fight a top-tier. Most top-tiers don't require advanced Haki to be hurt. So Zoro could choose not to use excessive amounts of Haki to fight them, which means he could last way longer in a fight. There is no known limit on Zoro's Haki when he's not using excessive amounts of it.
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Enma works with the same fundamental principle as G4 i.e., it uses excessive amounts of Haki. The Kuri fight already proved no amount of excessive Haki would help in hurting Kaido if your Haki isn't advanced enough. Once again, Luffy has level 3 penetration and he's also using excessive amounts of Haki when he was using G4 but Zoro was still keeping up or doing even better than Luffy.
Since CoC is directly proportional to one's strength, I don't see why Zoro'd be that much different from post-CoC Luffy when they were relative before CoC. Obviously, Zoro's not quite as strong as Luffy but he's not going to be still close to post-Udon Luffy when Luffy went on to become a full-fledged top-tier.
Luffy vs Kaido likely lasted less than 1.5 hours. Big Mom vs the duo was probably less than 30 minutes. The fights don't always last days. It's a matter of how intense the fight is. Zoro wouldn't need KoH just to fight a top-tier. Most top-tiers don't require advanced Haki to be hurt. So Zoro could choose not to use excessive amounts of Haki to fight them, which means he could last way longer in a fight. There is no known limit on Zoro's Haki when he's not using excessive amounts of it.
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Enma works with the same fundamental principle as G4 i.e., it uses excessive amounts of Haki. The Kuri fight already proved no amount of excessive Haki would help in hurting Kaido if your Haki isn't advanced enough. Once again, Luffy has level 3 penetration and he's also using excessive amounts of Haki when he was using G4 but Zoro was still keeping up or doing even better than Luffy.
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Mihawk fought a 1b Shanks and his bounty is inflated because of Cross Guild opposing directly to Navy and hunting them, while he in the past was chasing marines as well (contrary to normal pirates who avoid confrontation with them) = even more inflated (and probably some pun with the number as well).
And Vista fightning him on equal grounds is a fact haha.
Deal with it.
