Current Events Has Zoro Surpassed Mihawk?

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

I know he hasn't surpassed Mihawk, but lets not downplay Zoro. He was fighting both King and Enma. Once he got Enma under control, it was a low diff.

if he could fight in king of hell constantly
he is basically oden


since that form still has some time adjustments and limits (like G4)
its hard to call zoro and king a low diff cause you know he has to take on his stronger/limiting form atm to do so.
its a mode suited for fighting much stronger people than king for sure i.e g4 luffy vs doffy was closer to a mid diff but luffy vs doffy overall is closer to an extreme one.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

if he could fight in king of hell constantly
he is basically oden


since that form still has some time adjustments and limits (like G4)
its hard to call zoro and king a low diff cause you know he has to take on his stronger/limiting form atm to do so.
its a mode suited for fighting much stronger people than king for sure i.e g4 luffy vs doffy was closer to a mid diff but luffy vs doffy overall is closer to an extreme one.

Luffy vs Doffy is extreme diff because Luffy couldnt finish him within his G4 limit, but what if Luffy could finish Doffy within his first G4? Would you still call that fight extreme diff? Lets not forget Doffy also suffered that nasty gamma knife before their fight.

Zoro's case is different, he didnt need to get carried. He finished King within the time limit.

Anyway, you raised a fair point. Lets call it mid-diff. After he got Enma under control, King couldnt even touch him.

 

[kumae]

Did the man who almost died to King, a YC1, surpass Mihawk?

He washed him after he got Acoc what are you talking about

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

I know he hasn't surpassed Mihawk, but lets not downplay Zoro. He was fighting both King and Enma. Once he got Enma under control, it was a low diff.

That doesn't take away from the fact that Zoro had to utilize the ability of Enma to the point where he almost died against a YC1. However you want to look at it, Zoro can only sustain "King of Hell mode", or whatever people want to call it for a very minimal amount of time, with the series risk of death as a side effect.

MIhawk has zero risk of dying while fighting against a YC1. Zoro is not close to Mihawk yet, and won't be there until he can fight at the level of "King of Hell mode" without risk of dying.

He washed him after he got Acoc what are you talking about

"If this fight keeps dragging on, this Sword is going to kill me."

What do you mean what am I talking about?

Zoro is only at that level for a minute or so, and it brings the series risk of death to sustain it. If he tried to approach Mihawk (Or any Top Tier) at this current time, with his one minute power boost, he'd get washed.

 

[Wh1p]

Zoro needs FS and black blades

 

[kumae]

"If this fight keeps dragging on, this Sword is going to kill me."

What do you mean what am I talking about?

Zoro is only at that level for a minute or so, and it brings the series risk of death to sustain it. If he tried to approach Mihawk (Or any Top Tier) at this current time, with his one minute power boost, he'd get washed.

We are talking about King not mihawk Shanks when zoro said he literally have no trouble against King
This is the rest of the fight:

King has no answers at all later zoro was standing making a declaration and he saw death cause the mink medicine

 

[gz89]

Zoro needs FS and black blades

FS will probably be useless later in the story. If shanks can turn it off, then the same can be done by Mihawk and some others top tiers.

 

[Phoenix D. King]

FS will probably be useless later in the story. If shanks can turn it off, then the same can be done by Mihawk and some others top tiers.

Luffy will unlock super ultra assp.... advanced haki that nullifies cancellation haki, letting him use it anyways.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

We are talking about King not mihawk Shanks when zoro said he literally have no trouble against King
This is the rest of the fight:

King has no answers at all later zoro was standing making a declaration and he saw death cause the mink medicine

That has nothing to do with what I am saying.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

MIhawk has zero risk of dying while fighting against a YC1. Zoro is not close to Mihawk yet, and won't be there until he can fight at the level of "King of Hell mode" without risk of dying.

How many fights do you think Zoro gets before EoS? It took 7 years for Zoro to get to King after the Pica fight. We are closer to EoS than you guys think. He has to be close to Mihawk at this point in the story. Otherwise, how is he gonna surpass Mihawk within 3-4 years of One Piece?

 

[sanjikun]

How many fights do you think Zoro gets before EoS? It took 7 years for Zoro to get to King after the Pica fight. We are closer to EoS than you guys think. He has to be close to Mihawk at this point in the story. Otherwise, how is he gonna surpass Mihawk within 3-4 years of One Piece?

It took Luffy ~3 powerups to go from upper end High Tier (and yes he was close to Katakuri since start of post-TS) to sky-splitter.

FS + ACoA + ACoC (I'm discounting JB Luffy because Zoro will never be that level and beat a guy like Kaido).

Assuming Zoro was YC2 or something in Dressrosa, and he got ACoC. Then it's at least another 2 powerups, 1 of which might be Black Blades.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

How many fights do you think Zoro gets before EoS? It took 7 years for Zoro to get to King after the Pica fight. We are closer to EoS than you guys think. He has to be close to Mihawk at this point in the story. Otherwise, how is he gonna surpass Mihawk within 3-4 years of One Piece?

How close was Luffy to Kaido before they actually fought, after Luffy defeated a YC1?

That's the current gap between Zoro and Mihawk.

 

[ConquistadoR]

How close was Luffy to Kaido before they actually fought, after Luffy defeated a YC1?

That's the current gap between Zoro and Mihawk.

Difference is Luffy barely edged out that fight against Katakuri after powering up while Zoro 3-shot King after he powered up.
Let's not act like Luffy's fights and Zoro/Sanji fights follow the same pattern. Luffy almost always goes tooth & nail till the end and barely edges out while Zoro/Sanji utterly destroy their opponents once they powerup.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Difference is Luffy barely edged out that fight against Katakuri after powering up while Zoro 3-shot King after he powered up.
Let's not act like Luffy's fights and Zoro/Sanji fights follow the same pattern. Luffy almost always goes tooth & nail till the end and barely edges out while Zoro/Sanji utterly destroy their opponents once they powerup.

No, difference is, Luffy could actually fight against Katakuri for 11 hours, while Zoro would have lost to King in less than 15 minutes, without his King of Hell powerup, which he can currently only sustain for about a minute, which would be absolutely useless against an actual Top Tier, who would wipe the floor with King.

 

[ConquistadoR]

No, difference is, Luffy could actually fight against Katakuri for 11 hours

11 hours with Meriendas & Breaks? Sure.
Realistically, Luffy was dead to rights if Brulee didn't save his ass after he exhausted himself with G4 and you know it.

which he can currently only sustain for about a minute

Was it said anywhere in any source material that Zoro can only sustain KoH for about a minute?

which would be absolutely useless against an actual Top Tier

True, KoH is too timelimited to legitimately rival Top Tiers but he'd definitely do better than what Mr. 11 hours did against (Base) Kaido. In fact, he already did so on the Rooftop.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

No, difference is, Luffy could actually fight against Katakuri for 11 hours, while Zoro would have lost to King in less than 15 minutes, without his King of Hell powerup, which he can currently only sustain for about a minute, which would be absolutely useless against an actual Top Tier, who would wipe the floor with King.

I wouldn't say it'd be useless because Zoro was threatening the two most durable top-tiers in the series even before his eventual power-up.

 

[JoNdule]

knowing that shanks was wanted at close to a bil 12 years ago should tell you the level mihawk was around 12 yrs ago . Bias is when you assume one grew and the other failed to because one became a yonko. you have a classic example in kidd and law, individually perceived by the world government as equal threats to luffy while not being crowned emperors.




zoro defeated a pirate wanted above that amount and as far as the question goes
by the looks of it evidently not

mihawk in cross guild now so I also doubt the shiryu speculation throws any wrench into this. happy to know this fight is mist likely still happening

Yeah someone who stayed away fro. Nw and served WG grew on the same pace as someone who is in NW fighting strong guys till be becomes Yonko

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

11 hours with Meriendas & Breaks? Sure.
Realistically, Luffy was dead to rights if Brulee didn't save his ass after he exhausted himself with G4 and you know it.


Was it said anywhere in any source material that Zoro can only sustain KoH for about a minute?


True, KoH is too timelimited to legitimately rival Top Tiers but he'd definitely do better than what Mr. 11 hours did against (Base) Kaido. In fact, he already did so on the Rooftop.

Yep, Luffy burned through his Hak, and needed a break to replenish it. Had he not burned through his haki, he would have continued the fight with no problems. Circumstances is what lead to that.

It was roughly a minute, give or take between when Zoro said he needed to finish the fight asap or he would die, and the time he finished the fight.

Again, circumstances. Luffy went into that first encounter in a fit of rage, without knowing the nature of Kaido's abilities, and the fact that his attacks were useless. That pertains to Kaido, and Kaido alone.

 

[JoNdule]

It took Luffy ~3 powerups to go from upper end High Tier (and yes he was close to Katakuri since start of post-TS) to sky-splitter.

FS + ACoA + ACoC (I'm discounting JB Luffy because Zoro will never be that level and beat a guy like Kaido).

Assuming Zoro was YC2 or something in Dressrosa, and he got ACoC. Then it's at least another 2 powerups, 1 of which might be Black Blades.

Except luffy was never close to Katakuri since TS
He was twice weaker and grew to become equal at best

Yc1/y3 nonsense should end

Zoro got enma and adcoc, 2 PUs not 1 PU

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How close was Luffy to Kaido before they actually fought, after Luffy defeated a YC1?

That's the current gap between Zoro and Mihawk.

Nope

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

I wouldn't say it'd be useless because Zoro was threatening the two most durable top-tiers in the series even before his eventual power-up.

And how would a non CoC using Zoro fare against a clash against a Thunder Bagua? Being able to harm someone means nothing when you're going up against attacks beyond your means.