Speculations Hasshoken and Ryusoken are advanced armament haki techniques !

[ardym]

We saw in Dressrosa these two different fighting styles but still very that are used along armament haki,which make the attack more destructive.
the common thing between those two styles that they are used along armament haki and that they are more destructive than normal haki.
at that time we didn't know anything about advanced haki techniques but looking back i think they are just names for different applications of the advanced armament haki.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Ryusoken possibly, but not hasshoken

Neither chinjao nor sai had good haki

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Ryusoken possibly, but not hasshoken

Neither chinjao nor sai had good haki

How do you explain their attacks destroyed from inside out

 

[Finalbeta]

Not sure honestly Oda keeps introducing new stuff they might be outdated and obsolete

 

[Talkshit D Gethit]

How do you explain their attacks destroyed from inside out

So it was explained there style of attack creates shockwaves or if you will vibrations it a way it’s like fish man karate but except vibrating water it’s the air.

 

[KiriNigiri]

Nah, they're just fighting styles which are bolstered by haki.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

It's a possibility with Hasshoken. That fighting style seems to be only possible with CoA and no one else has been able to really replicate the vibrations thing.

Ryusoken is 100% Advanced Armanment. We have on panel evidence of Sabo destroying the arena from the inside using his Haki

http://imgur.com/Owd5xeM

http://imgur.com/IBVbwH4

http://imgur.com/Gm3NQ8Y

Even him blowing away Burgess' metal arm was advanced Haki

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

It's a possibility with Hasshoken. That fighting style seems to be only possible with CoA and no one else has been able to really replicate the vibrations thing.

Ryusoken is 100% Advanced Armanment. We have on panel evidence of Sabo destroying the arena from the inside out using his Haki

http://imgur.com/Owd5xeM

http://imgur.com/IBVbwH4

http://imgur.com/Gm3NQ8Y

Even him blowing away Burgess' metal arm was advanced Haki

But fans underrate Jesus Burgess instead.

Sabo CoA is pretty advanced, he has been Revo chief in staff with no df bt these CoA coated Dragon claws itself. It destroyed Maynard sword like nothing and could also have destroyed his skull like Egg.

Garp has this Haki, Dragon n Luffy also inherited it.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

We saw in Dressrosa these two different fighting styles but still very that are used along armament haki,which make the attack more destructive.
the common thing between those two styles that they are used along armament haki and that they are more destructive than normal haki.
at that time we didn't know anything about advanced haki techniques but looking back i think they are just names for different applications of the advanced armament haki.

Not sure about Chinjao and Sai attacks tho, they could also factor in some advance version of CoA haki in thier attacks.

Bt there's one inconsistency, Luffy shouldn't have bent Chinjao head with Normal CoA if above was true. Maybe Chinjao power had declined significantly in the years.

Chinjao had big hype of splitting continent with Head strike in his Prime and it has been passed in his family from one to next generation. So yes could be Advance CoA haki.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Chinjao and sai techniques are Ryou only
While Sabo has advanced haki

Pre Mera sabo was Ace/Marco , Mera DR Sabo is around katakuri/fs luffy
Current Sabo low top tier

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

They do somewhat resemble what advanced Haki looks like!

However, I'm not sure if they are the same or not.

The same can be said about Lucci's Rokouugun attack. It just looks exactly like what Luffy is doing right now!

Sabo's Ryuusuken probably though is the confirmed one so far simply because of the fact that his technique starts with "Ryuu" word, which is Haki in Wano.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

"Ryuo" is haki.
"Ryuu" means "Dragon".
"Ryuusoken" means "Dragon Claw Fist".
Here's the One Piece Wikia on it.

I know what everyone means.
However, we all know how oda loves to play with words, where sometimes he even names something with one word but that word can have multiple meaning. In the case of Ryuusoken, I do think that Oda planned for the technique to be "Haki" based, but at the same time, for it to pay a tribute to "Dragon" the leader of the Rev army with its naming.
It's like hitting two birds with one stone. Oda usually does a lot of stuff where one stone hit two or more birds

 

[Zenos7]

I know what everyone means.
However, we all know how oda loves to play with words, where sometimes he even names something with one word but that word can have multiple meaning. In the case of Ryuusoken, I do think that Oda planned for the technique to be "Haki" based, but at the same time, for it to pay a tribute to "Dragon" the leader of the Rev army with its naming.
It's like hitting two birds with one stone. Oda usually does a lot of stuff where one stone hit two or more birds

pretty sure oda did this to imply both haki and a tribute to dragon. (though we only learned about it being linked to haki in meaning in wano)

 

[Mr. Anderson]

I find this convincing. I would be using this post in my Pre Mera Sabo power level thread.

As for the Hasshouken vibrations, Fishman Karate is also able to create similar vibrations (though without haki). I might need to reread Dressrosa though.

I'm gonna have to go back to dressrosa too, my memory on chinjaos fighting style is foggy

 

[Finalbeta]

Oda loves playing with wording and meanings

 

[Garps tekkai]

Sabo's dragon breath is like a confirmation of him having it tbh. Makes more sense than any other option.
Because of it I will probably rescale him when we see Luffy in action later on.

And Hasshoken rather not imo. It's more based on vibrations. Luffy took a Hasshoken hit during his Chinjao match without any problem/damage, which would make sense, as he has a rubber body. He probably wouldn't be able to no sell an advanced CoA hit tho.

 

[Buusatan94]

Sabo and likely Dragon's Ryusoken is most likely a martial art based on the use of Advanced Armament since it allows to generate small shockwaves and to destroy targets from the inside just by grabbing them like Rayleigh and Luffy did with Caimie and Hyo's collars respectively.

It's much less likely for Hasshoken since Chinjao described it as being the result of concentrating all your strength at one precise point and that Luffy and Ideo and possibly Lao G were able to block and counter Chinjao and Sai's Hasshoken attacks by attacks of similar strength or with Coa

 

[Shanks Joestar]

After the recents rivelations about CoA i think Is basically confirmed that Sabo, Sentomaru and the OG Admirals can use Advanced CoA.

The thing that i expect now Is that others top characters can use It too...
Because IMO Is not that big deal like future sight haki

 

[Rmstorm]

After the recents rivelations about CoA i think Is basically confirmed that Sabo, Sentomaru and the OG Admirals can use Advanced CoA.

The thing that i expect now Is that others top characters can use It too...
Because IMO Is not that big deal like future sight haki

Only Rayleigh, Sabo, Garp and Luffy can use Advanced Armament Haki level 2 which is destroying an object from within.
This type is extremely rare like Future Sight and is far stronger than Adv CoA level 1.

Advanced Armament Haki level 1 is blasting/Shockwave/Barrier haki that can be used offensively and Defensively. Hitting without touching an object.

This is used by Luffy, Zoro, Boa Sisters, Sentumaru, Rayleigh and the Admirals.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

We saw in Dressrosa these two different fighting styles but still very that are used along armament haki,which make the attack more destructive.
the common thing between those two styles that they are used along armament haki and that they are more destructive than normal haki.
at that time we didn't know anything about advanced haki techniques but looking back i think they are just names for different applications of the advanced armament haki.

Hasshoken isn't advanced armament... It has those rippling sound effects that don't appear on advanced armament