Versus Battle Hokage Minato vs Alive MS madara

[L o g i a]

Finally a correct Naruto take

I want everybody to sit down and actually try to recall any MS Madara feats. Featless characters shouldn't be able to "low diff" top tiers like Minato. MS Madara in theory should only have

Top 5ish Genjutsu
Basic Susanoo

That's pretty much it. Fighting Hashi doesn't mean much if we don't even know the stage Hashi was in. It could've been pre sage mode and no summon Hashi

MS Madara for one isolated fight will have no drawbacks unless we use the working assumption that he's nearly blind which is unfair. The only significant difference between EMS Madara (where we have plenty of feats that put him tiers above practically everyone non-Ootsutsuki/Juubi/SO6P related) and MS Madara is, we think, (although also not confirmed) his Susano'o would be weaker.

We know for a fact Madara's taijutsu was almost unrivalled and he would have Minato flat on his back in no time in all-out Taijutsu. We also know Madara has access to Izanagi (not that he'd need it), Izanami, Kamui, the strongest Katon in-verse by miles (based on feats) and his fan which is strong enough to block Bijuudama without any damage - what's Minato going to do to break through said defence or Susano'o save for Madara making a mistake and standing near some FTG markers/kunai - which, by the way, he'd be fully aware of and very unlikely to make an error.

This fight very likely would just become some very frustrating target practice for Madara. Minato is incredible and would be a tougher opponent for him than pretty much anyone else other than hashirama that he'd have faced in his lifetime, but Minato simply doesn't have enough raw power output to handle Madara.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

He and Samehada will both turn into dust even if they pour everything they have to defend from a TBB.

Daikodan eats it
Samehada eats it
Kisamehada eats 6 tails of chakra in one go, Bijuu dama is ineffective

 

[Roo]

MS Madara is, we think, (although also not confirmed) his Susano'o would be weaker.

safe assumption considering in canon non enhanced MS can only produce a basic susanoo

We know for a fact Madara's taijutsu was almost unrivalled

How would this help against a STJ user again?

We also know Madara has access to Izanagi (not that he'd need it), Izanami,

Actually we don't, he only used Izanagi vs Hashi in VOTE. You can assume he does know of it, but considering the fact that he had already had death battles with the Senju and never used it has me in doubt.

Kamui, the strongest Katon in-verse by miles (based on feats)

:laughmoji:

MS Madara has KAMUI? since when?

btw Obito matched his katon. Not that it matters consider Minato can literally deflect biju bombs.

and his fan which is strong enough to block Bijuudama without any damage - what's Minato going to do to break through said defence or Susano'o save for Madara making a mistake and standing near some FTG markers/kunai - which, by the way, he'd be fully aware of and very unlikely to make an error.

Susanoo is not a perfect defense. A barrage of Rasengans can break it

 

[SkySanji]

safe assumption considering in canon non enhanced MS can only produce a basic susanoo


How would this help against a STJ user again?


Actually we don't, he only used Izanagi vs Hashi in VOTE. You can assume he does know of it, but considering the fact that he had already had death battles with the Senju and never used it has me in doubt.



:laughmoji:

MS Madara has KAMUI? since when?

btw Obito matched his katon. Not that it matters consider Minato can literally deflect biju bombs.




Susanoo is not a perfect defense. A barrage of Rasengans can break it

Feats suggesting Minato's Rasengan can break through a humanoid Susanoo? A direct Rasengan of his didn't do anything more than destroy Teen Obito's Zetsu arm lmfao.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Rasengan can't break Susanoo, not even an extra large one would work. What Minato can do is separate Susanoo from Madara. MS Madara shouldn't be able to maintain Susanoo for long, to begin with.

Daikodan eats it
Samehada eats it
Kisamehada eats 6 tails of chakra in one go, Bijuu dama is ineffective

A TBB is a highly condensed chakra. and it explodes immediately after contact. Good luck absorbing it fast enough. Also, long-range TBBs would be a nightmare for him.

 

[Roo]

A direct Rasengan of his didn't do anything more than destroy Teen Obito's Zetsu arm lmfao.

I literally said a barrage retard

 

[SkySanji]

You're assuming I meant 1 Rasengan

Minato can use multiple Rasengan at once? Since when? And any damage they do to the Susanoo individually is just getting repaired.

 

[Roo]

Minato can use multiple Rasengan at once?

Multiple rasengans? All he needs to do is spam the rasengan multiple times, and as far as we've seen the rasengan has almost no chakra tax on him

Edo Madara's susanoo(which was enhanced btw) was broken by a barrage of attacks from the gokage, including just a punch from tsunade lmao

 

[SkySanji]

Multiple rasengans? All he needs to do is spam the rasengan multiple times, and as far as we've seen the rasengan has almost no chakra tax on him

Spamming it multiple times individually isn't going to do anything because the Susanoo can be repaired, Minato needs to break through with one attack and hit Madara with that one attack, which he has nowhere near enough offense to do, he's really not even scratching a humanoid Susanoo and there's no reason whatsoever to believe otherwise.

Minato literally only has Rasengan and Reaper Death Seal, Rasengan is far too weak and Reaper Death Seal is a tie, assuming Madara doesn't know Izanagi which he obviously would.

 

[Roo]

Spamming it multiple times individually isn't going to do anything because the Susanoo can be repaired, Minato needs to break through with one attack .

????

He can spam rasengans and FTG allows him to do faster than any of these bums

 

[SkySanji]

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He can spam rasengans and FTG allows him to do faster than any of these bums

That's the fucking Ribcage Susanoo, and it's a combined attack from Hundred Healings Tsunade and Onoki amped Ay, Minato's fodder Rasengan doesn't compare to that at all.

Also, since when can Minato spam Rasengan? He never uses it more than a couple times in quick succession iirc.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Not even Odama Rasengan helps:

Spoiler

Minato's only options are 1. Teleporting Susanoo 2. Outlasting the MS user, which he's more than capable of doing. He doesn't have any known jutsu that would break Susanoo.

 

[L o g i a]

safe assumption considering in canon non enhanced MS can only produce a basic susanoo

It isn't because we don't know if this is user specific or dojutsu specific

How would this help against a STJ user again?

You mean FTG? FTG isn't Taijutsu and also doesn't enhance Taijutsu, only Minato's ability to escape/change location. In a 1 on 1, escaping is the same as losing.

Actually we don't, he only used Izanagi vs Hashi in VOTE. You can assume he does know of it, but considering the fact that he had already had death battles with the Senju and never used it has me in doubt.

He knows of it because he wrote the Uchiha tablet which describes how to use both Izanagi and Izanami. Any and every mangekyo user who has read that tablet knows how to use them.

:laughmoji:

MS Madara has KAMUI? since when?

Imagine being so condescending, pretending to know shit about the Narutoverse and then acting better than everyone else in the thread when you don't even know this? Madara used Kamui in chapter 674. It's clear to me you're clueless.

btw Obito matched his katon. Not that it matters consider Minato can literally deflect biju bombs.

In one instance with one attack which was far inferior to other feats we've seen. Obito being about as strong as Minato (if not stronger at the time) himself in the first place.

Would Obito be able to match something like Goka Mekkyaku?Highly doubt it.

Minato needs prep time to transport (Not deflect. Again, fucking clueless.) Bijuudamas. You don't get prep time in a 1v1 with Madara unless the fight conditions so.

Susanoo is not a perfect defense. A barrage of Rasengans can break it

It isn't, but it withstands Rasengan even when just a spine, which to our awareness is Minato's strongest AP technique (hence why I said he lacks the attack power to compete with the top brass of the verse). Minato's only hope of breaking Susano'o is from within (which as I said with a fighter as experienced as Madara is highly unlikely to happen) or if he can somehow use Senjutsu, where, as I said above, you don't get prep time in a fight vs Madara unless ordained by the thread.

If Minato starts the battle in Sage mode, then it is debatable who wins. But if not, Minato is mince meat.
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I literally said a barrage retard

Does Minato have enough chakra to make hundreds of clones and do a barrage of Rasengan in the first place? Naruto's the only person we've seen do this in canon other than Konohamaru if you consider Boruto anime as canon.
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He can spam rasengans and FTG allows him to do faster than any of these bums

Where has Minato spammed Rasengans? It's a Jutsu that takes an enormous amount of chakra and Minato has chakra reserves at the lower end of "kage level" from what we've seen. His chakra reserves are tiny compared to Narutos. He isn't Naruto version 2. His use of Rasengan was eclipsed by Naruto by the time Naruto used Oodama Rasengan.
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Not even Odama Rasengan helps:

Spoiler

Minato's only options are 1. Teleporting Susanoo 2. Outlasting the MS user, which he's more than capable of doing. He doesn't have any known jutsu that would break Susanoo.

Susanoo isn't even the problem - Madara's fan can block Rasengans too and would outclass Minato in any taijutsu battle.
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The only way Minato defeats Susano'o is removing it from the equation by sealing it - is Madara going to let that happen? No.

In any Naruto 1v1 I give Minato the benefit of doubt against anyone non Ootsutsuki, not named Naruto, Hashirama, Sasuke, or Nagato but come on dude. Minato can beat almost anyone - he has answers for a lot of things but he doesn't have answers for a guy who is fast enough to fight FTG users with Konoha-scale AP and defence.

 

[Roo]

You mean FTG? FTG isn't Taijutsu and also doesn't enhance Taijutsu, only Minato's ability to escape/change location. In a 1 on 1, escaping is the same as losing.

If there isn't BFR rules then it doesn't matter. Minato could teleport, take a tea break and come back and it will still be a 1v1.

He knows of it because he wrote the Uchiha tablet which describes how to use both Izanagi and Izanami. Any and every mangekyo user who has read that tablet knows how to use them.

Cool, then you'd know he only read the Uchiha Tablet post acquiring EMS.

Spoiler

therefore MS Madara doesn't know Izanagi nor Izanami.

Imagine being so condescending, pretending to know shit about the Narutoverse and then acting better than everyone else in the thread when you don't even know this? Madara used Kamui in chapter 674. It's clear to me you're clueless.

I'm clueless?

Spoiler

He literally stole Kakashi's(Obito's) eyes in order to use Kamui.

Minato needs prep time to transport (Not deflect. Again, fucking clueless.) Bijuudamas. You don't get prep time in a 1v1 with Madara unless the fight conditions so.

Spoiler

Why are you arguing semantics when the manga literally says he deflected it? Also prep time? no where in the manga it's even implied he prepped for this. He literally pulls this FTG technique out of his ass.

Matter of fact, he literally says he will pull up another FTG barrier. There doesn't seem to be prep required

Spoiler

If you think I'm clueless for literally pointing out the fact that you gave MS Madara other people's technique and quoting the manga then yeah, I am above you.

Where has Minato spammed Rasengans? It's a Jutsu that takes an enormous amount of chakra and Minato has chakra reserves at the lower end of "kage level" from what we've seen. His chakra reserves are tiny compared to Narutos. He isn't Naruto version 2. His use of Rasengan was eclipsed by Naruto by the time Naruto used Oodama Rasengan.
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Naruto can spam over 100 rasengans, from what we've seen Madara shouldn't require that amount of rasengans. If he can teleport the whole 9 tails after fighting Obito, I'm sure he can spam a few rasengans


Minato can also create Rasengans right as he teleports.

 

[Kiiro]

Minato has always been better. Even Obito is better than Madara. People want Madara and Hashirama to much.

Minato blitzes and kunai to head and k.o..

Minato in 5 minutes wins.

 

[Daniel]

This match-up involves the Minato who was alive and not the one that got reincarnated as the Edo version, right?

But then the title specifically said "alive MS Madara" so I'm going to take a leap here assume that this version of Madara was the one before the Hashirama fights (and before Izuna's death)?

I don't think that without Madara's EMS, his complete Susanoo can't be manifested. It was Madara after gaining EMS that the readers were shown his complete Susanoo first thing in the manga.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Susanoo isn't even the problem - Madara's fan can block Rasengans too and would outclass Minato in any taijutsu battle.

Gunbai doesn't block attacks, it absorbs, turns them into wind, and reflects them back. It wouldn't work more than once against Minato. Don't let Episode 322 fool you into believing Madara is this unmatched Taijutsu expert. Minato can follow the 8th Gate Guy's speed and almost react to it while even Ay was too fast for Madara—Minato would see Madara in slow motion. Madara is never outclassing Minato in CQC. He'd die horribly if anything.

 

[L o g i a]

Gunbai doesn't block attacks, it absorbs, turns them into wind, and reflects them back. It wouldn't work more than once against Minato. Don't let Episode 322 fool you into believing Madara is this unmatched Taijutsu expert. Minato can follow the 8th Gate Guy's speed and almost react to it while even Ay was too fast for Madara—Minato would see Madara in slow motion. Madara is never outclassing Minato in CQC. He'd die horribly if anything.

Minato while using KCM and Edo Tensei'd to have unlimited chakra can follow the speed of Gai, but that's only follow, he could barely react at all. If he were as good as you say he would have been able to save Kuina from Kurama's attack on Naruto, several times over, zero diff.

Rinnegan gives no speed or reaction buffs that don't already come from the Sharingan, especially MS, so I fail to see how this makes a difference. I'm not going off the Anime, I'm going off the Manga. Madara himself said Hashirama could beat the 5 Kage easily and most likely with Taijutsu alone. Madara was an even match for Hashirama in Taijutsu. The only people with superior Taijutsu in the story are Ootsutsukis and 8th gate users and maybe a healthy Nagato because Human Path.

 

[GUI VI]

Madara MS stomps

 

[Steven]

Madara low-diffs

Yellow Piss Blitz was always weak.