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Age doesn't check for most of them. Aokiji and Aramaki are far too young. Fujitora was born two years After the events, so too young unless were are seeing Rouge 2.0

Kizaru...could be, in theory, but we saw him as child and he was quite happy. He doesn't really have an hate issue.

Akainu though Is both perfect as far as Age goes and explain his absolute justice hate boner. Not to mention more important and so more "whorty" narratively.
Wasn't child Akainu poor and ragged? I would assume that an Admiral would make enough money to let his family live comfortably, even after his death
 

Uncle Van

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Why would an Admiral rather let themselves be killed and let Xebec run rampant in the Holy Land than go all out in order to stop him?
Do you have any statements to support your claim? Or are you gonna keep making up scenarios to ignore what was stated multiple times on panel?
 
Do you have any statements to support your claim? Or are you gonna keep making up scenarios to ignore what was stated multiple times
There’s 2 scenarios here:

1. The Admiral holds back and lets himself get killed, meaning there’s no more Admiral there to prevent Xebec from doing whatever he wants in the Holy Land

2. The Admiral goes all out, saving his own life, at the cost of doing some damage to the Holy Land.

Either way, the safety of the Holy Land is entirely at Xebec’s discretion, he can destroy the entire place if he so desires after killing you, so why not just say fuck it and go all out?
 
Jiaga really is the biggest disgrace in marine history. All that twerking and not even a check to show for it.
Akainu is clearly portrayed as a street urchin as a child, so I doubt he was the legitimate son of an Admiral or any other wealthy person. Maybe he could’ve just been a bastard child of Jiaga?
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
There’s 2 scenarios here:

1. The Admiral holds back and lets himself get killed, meaning there’s no more Admiral there to prevent Xebec from doing whatever he wants in the Holy Land

2. The Admiral goes all out, saving his own life, at the cost of doing some damage to the Holy Land.

Either way, the safety of the Holy Land is entirely at Xebec’s discretion, he can destroy the entire place if he so desires after killing you, so why not just say fuck it and go all out?
It was a canon fact that Admirals are significantly restricted in Marijoies. Every scenario you make up should follow the canon. You creating scenarios that contradict what was stated and shown multiple times is irrelevant.

Canon statements > whatever unsupported scenairo you craft outta thin air.
 
It was a canon fact that Admirals are significantly restricted in Marijoies. Every scenario you make up should follow the canon. You creating scenarios that contradict what was stated and shown multiple times is irrelevant.

Canon statements > whatever unsupported scenairo you craft outta thin air.
You’re comparing Xebec vs Jiaga to Fuji and Ryo vs RA commanders. These fights aren’t comparable at all because Fuji and Ryo are massively stronger than RA commanders, so they could afford to hold back and not be putting their lives at risk
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
You’re comparing Xebec vs Jiaga to Fuji and Ryo vs RA commanders. These fights aren’t comparable at all because Fuji and Ryo are massively stronger than RA commanders, so they could afford to hold back and not be putting their lives at risk
I'm using the canon material that was stated and shown to us multiple times. Once again, you making up stuff to contradict the canon in order to fit your own personal power level preferences are irrelvant.
 
Akainu is clearly portrayed as a street urchin as a child, so I doubt he was the legitimate son of an Admiral or any other wealthy person. Maybe he could’ve just been a bastard child of Jiaga?
There's no way to really know tbh. Jiaga would have died before he was born, and Sakazukis other family members could have had their money stolen/killed by pirates to really spice it up, and would help tie Sakazuki and Teach together, which Oda has done before. If Oda wanted to make a marine a nepo baby, it would clearly be him too. I also think it's pretty possible Oda just never drew Jiaga because he's rushing and had a lot more he wanted to focus on in the flashback, though.
 
There's no way to really know tbh. Jiaga would have died before he was born, and Sakazukis other family members could have had their money stolen/killed by pirates to really spice it up, and would help tie Sakazuki and Teach together, which Oda has done before. If Oda wanted to make a marine a nepo baby, it would clearly be him too. I think it's pretty possible Oda just never drew Jiaga because he's rushing and had a lot more he wanted to focus on in the flashback, though.
You would think that Oda would have drawn Akainu reacting to Xebec’s name being mentioned by Sengoku though, and at least give the Admiral a name or silhouette before killing him offscreen
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
Can you post a statement that Jiaga was holding himself back?
It was stated 3 times that an admiral cannot use their full power in Marijoies. We saw an admiral complain about not being able to fight, all the while being surrounded by CDs. You know...the people who live there. These statements were talking about out admirals in general.

It canon and common sense that an admiral has issues fighting in Marijoies. The very fact you rely so much on headcannon shows your lack of an argument. You have to prove that those statements dont matter, and that Jiaga or whatever is an exception for some reason.
 
It was stated 3 times that an admiral cannot use their full power in Marijoies. We saw an admiral complain about not being able to fight, all the while being surrounded by CDs. You know...the people who live there. These statements were talking about out admirals in general.

It canon and common sense that an admiral has issues fighting in Marijoies. The very fact you rely so much on headcannon shows your lack of an argument. You have to prove that those statements dont matter, and that Jiaga or whatever is an exception for some reason.
I'm pretty sure his point is that the Admiral holding back would actually be far more detrimental for the citizens of Mariejois, as compared to if that Admiral just bit the bullet and went all out.
CDs would be hurt in both cases, but in the case that the Admiral goes all out and manages to defeat Xebec, he won't be able to rampage throughout the land anymore, as opposed to the Admiral dying and Xebec being free to do whatever he wants there.

It's essentially the trolley problem thought experiment.
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
I'm pretty sure his point is that the Admiral holding back would actually be far more detrimental for the citizens of Mariejois, as compared to if that Admiral just bit the bullet and went all out.
CDs would be hurt in both cases, but in the case that the Admiral goes all out and manages to defeat Xebec, he won't be able to rampage throughout the land anymore, as opposed to the Admiral dying and Xebec being free to do whatever he wants there.

It's essentially the trolley problem thought experiment.
But his point is irrelvant. We know for a fact that an admiral can't use their full power in Marijoies because of collateral damage. Making up scenarios for an off screen encounter that contradicts the facts is unreasonably biased and pointless.
 
Wasn't child Akainu poor and ragged? I would assume that an Admiral would make enough money to let his family live comfortably, even after his death
In theory, but Garp too doesn't seems particuarly rich.
We can even assume some dumb CD blamed "his father" for the event as that CD wanted to do with Aramaki.

Overall, there are plenty of possible reasons.

* i would like for Akainu to not have any notable father/mother/ancestor or whatever to be clear, but we are to a point of no return. I fully expect even Koby to have some legendary ancestor at this point lol. I hate this.
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You would think that Oda would have drawn Akainu reacting to Xebec’s name being mentioned by Sengoku though, and at least give the Admiral a name or silhouette before killing him offscreen
Btw, Akainu wasn't there when Sengoku was talking about Xebec. He arrived after:

 
Why not? Luffy isn't gonna be a direct blood relative of Joyboy, that would kinda undermine the entire theme of the story. Shanks will be the "Child of Destiny" who is blood related to JB and who you'd think would carry on his will, while Luffy will be the kid who isn't directly related to him, but shares his dreams and ideals and is the spiritual successor
Shanks isn't child of destiny anymore. It's Luffy.
 
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