Chapter Discussion Holy knights are collectively a yonko crew-level battalion
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It's entirely possible that the rev vice captains are not that much weaker than their captains
And I wouldn't be surprised if the captains were capable of fighting the holy knights
Dragon
Sabo
Five Captains
Five Vice Captains
Other Officers (Koala, Hack, etc)
A massive number of fodder soldiers
Potential future members (Bonney, Kuma, etc)
MMAs vs Belo-buffed soldiers is kinda tuff...
Maybe she'll buff the other Captains too.
And I wouldn't be surprised if the captains were capable of fighting the holy knights
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Dragon
Sabo
Five Captains
Five Vice Captains
Other Officers (Koala, Hack, etc)
A massive number of fodder soldiers
Potential future members (Bonney, Kuma, etc)
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MMAs vs Belo-buffed soldiers is kinda tuff...
Maybe she'll buff the other Captains too.
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This time it's legitimate tho
Shamrock - Shanks' twin and on the cover of the race to OP spread as the silhouette man. Genetics indicate he's gonna be a monster with CoC potential on par with Shanks
Killingham - his MMA army is endless and deathless. Like an improved Cracker army and also variable in strength depending on fighting forces. He is also an awakened mythical zoan
Sommers - his ability is actually really useful support-wise. Long-range AoE invisible thorns
Gunko - powerful arrows enough to pierce thru old legends and keep YC2-3s like Jinbei locked up without resistance. Aerial support and subtle mind control
And this is only 4 HKs shown. Give 4-5 more and if they are as busted as the above then it's easily 1-2 top tiers and 7-8 YC1+ tiers
And this is without assuming they can receive Imu buffs. Oda introducing them after Gorosei indicates to me that they are a greater fighting force than Gorosei individually, maybe a few of them together
I think Betty is the equalizer in all of this. Morley and Karasu have already prove they can handle restrained Admirals (no AoE). Imo it all really depends on how strong Dragon and Sabo are, the 2nd having a 660 mil bounty was p disappointing as well as commander bounties. If Dragon ends up having 6 bil tho then that will change out Revs completely look
Shamrock - Shanks' twin and on the cover of the race to OP spread as the silhouette man. Genetics indicate he's gonna be a monster with CoC potential on par with Shanks
Killingham - his MMA army is endless and deathless. Like an improved Cracker army and also variable in strength depending on fighting forces. He is also an awakened mythical zoan
Sommers - his ability is actually really useful support-wise. Long-range AoE invisible thorns
Gunko - powerful arrows enough to pierce thru old legends and keep YC2-3s like Jinbei locked up without resistance. Aerial support and subtle mind control
And this is only 4 HKs shown. Give 4-5 more and if they are as busted as the above then it's easily 1-2 top tiers and 7-8 YC1+ tiers
And this is without assuming they can receive Imu buffs. Oda introducing them after Gorosei indicates to me that they are a greater fighting force than Gorosei individually, maybe a few of them together
I think Betty is the equalizer in all of this. Morley and Karasu have already prove they can handle restrained Admirals (no AoE). Imo it all really depends on how strong Dragon and Sabo are, the 2nd having a 660 mil bounty was p disappointing as well as commander bounties. If Dragon ends up having 6 bil tho then that will change out Revs completely look
Two things to keep in mind
1- There's likely 12/13 holy knights. It's goes with the zodiac theme and astrology theme we have seen with the world government.
- Sun god
- 5 elder planets
- black hole blackbeard
- earth god imu
- 3 ancient weapons (Uranus, Pluto, and neptune)
- moon garling
- then the stars being the knights
12/13 zodiac signs - 12/13 holy knights
gemini - shamrock
saggritus - gunko
Bull mask - Taurus
Etc.
2 the holy knights will probably be fought by a mix of the Rev captions and the strawhats outside the monster trio
Morley + ivonkov+ lindbergh+ karasu+ Betty
Nami + ussop + chopper + robin + Franky+ jinbe + brook = 12
12 strawhats / rev captains vs 12 holy knights
(Outside of shamrock)
1- There's likely 12/13 holy knights. It's goes with the zodiac theme and astrology theme we have seen with the world government.
- Sun god
- 5 elder planets
- black hole blackbeard
- earth god imu
- 3 ancient weapons (Uranus, Pluto, and neptune)
- moon garling
- then the stars being the knights
12/13 zodiac signs - 12/13 holy knights
gemini - shamrock
saggritus - gunko
Bull mask - Taurus
Etc.
2 the holy knights will probably be fought by a mix of the Rev captions and the strawhats outside the monster trio
Morley + ivonkov+ lindbergh+ karasu+ Betty
Nami + ussop + chopper + robin + Franky+ jinbe + brook = 12
12 strawhats / rev captains vs 12 holy knights
(Outside of shamrock)
The HKs are well above a Yonko crew.
Firstly, most Yonko crews can't deal with regen, and even then it'd usually only be the Yonko who could do so. So everyone else automatically loses. No evidence of Marco/Katakuri ever being able to deal with regen - King would be alright since the HKs wouldn't be able to damage him either.
Secondly, Yonko crews usually have a top-tier, 3-4 main fighters then a bunch of veterans. The HKs have Shamrock the top-tier, then so far, Gunko, Sommers and Killingham seem to be around the upper end of high-tier, say YC1 or even YC2 at worst. That already puts their top fighters above a Yonko crew's, which has only one YC1 and one YC2.
Furthermore, I don't see why Imu would have veteran level fodder amongst their HKs, especially when they're tryna recruit guys like Loki so clearly they value strength. I'd be surprised if all of the HKs aren't individually high-tiers, and even if they aren't, no one's beating them anyways because no one bar the top-tier in Yonko crews would know how to overcome regen (post-Elbaf SH crew aside ofc).
Of course, the difference between top-tiers and everyone else is so huge that if the top-tier is strong enough, they could carry a victory. For example, Kaido could probably solo the entire HKs bar Shamrock. So if everyone else could hold their own until Kaido beat Shamrock then the Beast Pirates could win. But overall, the HKs are much stronger than your average Yonko crew.
Firstly, most Yonko crews can't deal with regen, and even then it'd usually only be the Yonko who could do so. So everyone else automatically loses. No evidence of Marco/Katakuri ever being able to deal with regen - King would be alright since the HKs wouldn't be able to damage him either.
Secondly, Yonko crews usually have a top-tier, 3-4 main fighters then a bunch of veterans. The HKs have Shamrock the top-tier, then so far, Gunko, Sommers and Killingham seem to be around the upper end of high-tier, say YC1 or even YC2 at worst. That already puts their top fighters above a Yonko crew's, which has only one YC1 and one YC2.
Furthermore, I don't see why Imu would have veteran level fodder amongst their HKs, especially when they're tryna recruit guys like Loki so clearly they value strength. I'd be surprised if all of the HKs aren't individually high-tiers, and even if they aren't, no one's beating them anyways because no one bar the top-tier in Yonko crews would know how to overcome regen (post-Elbaf SH crew aside ofc).
Of course, the difference between top-tiers and everyone else is so huge that if the top-tier is strong enough, they could carry a victory. For example, Kaido could probably solo the entire HKs bar Shamrock. So if everyone else could hold their own until Kaido beat Shamrock then the Beast Pirates could win. But overall, the HKs are much stronger than your average Yonko crew.
Shamrock could be as strong as Kaido or Big Mom. I would rather him not be, but whatever.
Gunko could be as strong as or even slightly stronger than King or Katakuri.
We don't know how physically strong Killingham is, but with his MMAs, he could be stronger than King or Katakuri. I don't think Queen, Jack or Cracker would be able to defeat him.
Sommers...well, he doesn't seem very impressive so far. He hasn't shown anything that suggests to me that he could be as strong as a "first commander". Honestly, he doesn't even SEEM as strong as Queen, but he has regeneration, so he would still win, eventually. I will be keeping an eye on his speed, though.
And that's just 4, which is less than half the number I'm expecting.
Gunko could be as strong as or even slightly stronger than King or Katakuri.
We don't know how physically strong Killingham is, but with his MMAs, he could be stronger than King or Katakuri. I don't think Queen, Jack or Cracker would be able to defeat him.
Sommers...well, he doesn't seem very impressive so far. He hasn't shown anything that suggests to me that he could be as strong as a "first commander". Honestly, he doesn't even SEEM as strong as Queen, but he has regeneration, so he would still win, eventually. I will be keeping an eye on his speed, though.
And that's just 4, which is less than half the number I'm expecting.
Gunko can beat Jimbei, Nami, Brook and Usopp all at once. I know that they weren't in the best position, but they were still able to attack, they just failed. Gunko COULD have killed them all there. She didn't even try to block or dodge Usopp's attack, and I doubt she couldn't have.
Killingham can endlessly attack at a range that we know is at least vaster than any island we've seen (wano might be bigger than the range of elbaf that killingham has used his powers in but whatever lalalala), minus the whole of Elbaf.
Killingham can do this without giving away his position, and the more people around, the more MMAs he can create. That's just his MMAs, not even his object manifestation and sleeping abilities. I'm sure he's also physically capable, unless he's supposed to be sickly or somefin.
Sommers...kinda lookin' like a bum ngl. He's still strong though, I'm sure.
Killingham can endlessly attack at a range that we know is at least vaster than any island we've seen (wano might be bigger than the range of elbaf that killingham has used his powers in but whatever lalalala), minus the whole of Elbaf.
Killingham can do this without giving away his position, and the more people around, the more MMAs he can create. That's just his MMAs, not even his object manifestation and sleeping abilities. I'm sure he's also physically capable, unless he's supposed to be sickly or somefin.
Sommers...kinda lookin' like a bum ngl. He's still strong though, I'm sure.
Gunko basically negged a former Warlord was respected by a Yonko as valuable fighting strength
Killingham's army is endless and depending on nightmares could be busted or bad match-up
In addition they tried to recruit Loki so they have strength standards
Saying what can they do without Imu hacks is like asking what can Admirals do without their fruits or what can BB do under kairoseki. They fight with regen incorporated. They have a weakness but only few ppl can exploit it
Killingham's army is endless and depending on nightmares could be busted or bad match-up
In addition they tried to recruit Loki so they have strength standards
Saying what can they do without Imu hacks is like asking what can Admirals do without their fruits or what can BB do under kairoseki. They fight with regen incorporated. They have a weakness but only few ppl can exploit it
the thing is that the imu hacks save their life, is not an inside skill like akuma no mi are. Admirals trained with their powers, imu hacks allow them to be reckless, they're in a favourable matchu due to surprise attack shenanigas and hostages.
ofc they're strong, but i dont overhype them thats all
we saw nothing from Thanks, only his sword and people gone crazy for him,ofc he'll be strong and blah blah blah but more due to story progression is not like pikachu getting nerfed every new season of pokemon (specially gen 5) where power is reset
Gunko said it best. That nobody, not pirates nor marines nor even some celestial dragons were supposed to know that the world would end. Balance of the world was complete bullshit
It's been celestial dragons vs the entire bottom world the entire time. When you think about it celestial dragons are STACKED (5-6 top tiers, several commanders, some fodder pieces, not even including Imu). Marines were just a front for them too
It's been celestial dragons vs the entire bottom world the entire time. When you think about it celestial dragons are STACKED (5-6 top tiers, several commanders, some fodder pieces, not even including Imu). Marines were just a front for them too