Questions & Mysteries Honest question: What has Shiryu ever done to be considered such a bogeyman by people in this forum???

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#1
He lost 1x1 against magellan and went to jail, killed a few fodder guards when they weren´t looking, escaped from prison only because of BB´s crew help and made a cut on moria´s back.

He hasn´t done NOTHING to be considered such a strong guy, as a matter of fact, he´s pretty much featless.

People here talk about this whole ''nothingness'' fruit while we don´t even know if he´s able to do much other than regular invisibility with his standard fruit.

Blackbeard pirates better kill garp and a few marines/revolutionaries because as it stands now, they gonna be fodder against SHs top tiers.
 
#4
He lost 1x1 against magellan and went to jail, .
If this happened no one would say he is as strong as Magellan. Shiryu simply accepted his penalty and went to jail after Magellan told him he is under arrest.

Magellan is the Warden, he outranks Head Jailer Shiryu, Magellan had the other guardians backing him up, and even if Shiryu beat Magellan, he would still need to deal with the rest of the guardians, then the Marines will go after him, so it was impossible for him to kill Magellan, other guardians and then escape from the Marines.

Ivankov simply said Impel Down was impregnable because of both Magellan and Shiryu, and he said Magellan and Shiryu were equally powerful.

That's Base Shiryu without even a DF power.

Adding a powerful DF ability to that base, would definitely make him Admiral level minimum.

killed a few fodder guards when they weren´t looking, escaped from prison only because of BB´s crew help and made a cut on moria´s back.

He hasn´t done NOTHING to be considered such a strong guy, as a matter of fact, he´s pretty much featless.
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Being put into Level 6 is a feat, Shiryu was put into Level 6 despite not even having a bounty. That's how dangerous he was. People like Daz Bones were in Level 4.

BB's Level 6 crew was called as ''legendary'':



Then Shiryu was confirmed as No.2 of BB pirates with this:



That means he might be potentially even stronger than Aokiji, who is currently a member of BB pirates. If Oda was hiding Aokiji as BB pirates member at the time, then its still impressive to be the strongest amongst the other strongest Level 6 crew members of BB.

BB made all Level 6 prisoners to kill each other, and he only took the strongest members of those legendary pirates:



Shiryu is now confirmed as the strongest Level 6 prisoners with that cover.

Also, Oda himself give credit to BB Pirates, by saying that he would join BB pirates other than SH pirates ''if he was strong'',

''Q: If you could join any pirate crew in One Piece (except for the Straw Hats), which one would you join and why?

E.Oda: Hmm. Except the Straw Hats… I think it would be awesome to be in Buggy’s crew. They seem to be very carefree, and it would be really fun because even the subordinates can make fun of the captain. But if I was really strong, I would want to be in the Blackbeard Pirates.''

That's why BB pirates are special, even if you didn't understand from a former Admiral Aokiji joining them.

BB pirates will be different than the other Yonko crews, except maybe for Shanks's crew, Shanks's crew could be stronger than other Yonko crews as well.

And, another similarity with the Admirals, Oda creates Admirals by being inspired from the Japanese movie characters. Zatoichi etc, Shiryu is based on a Japanese character as well, Yasunori Kato. Very powerful character. Its also the base for M.Bison from Street Fighter series.
 
#5
To be is not about Shiryuu feats by portrayal. He is told to be as strong as Magellan. And Magellan is a beast. One-shot whole Teach crew.
Tbf a lot of his prowess comes from his devil fruit. Im sure Shiryu is strong, but its exactly the fact that Megellan doesnt even seem to rival Admirals that makes me not believe BB is the final antagonist of this series. Though im willing to give him benefit of the doubt and surprise us.
 

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#6
Tbf a lot of his prowess comes from his devil fruit. Im sure Shiryu is strong, but its exactly the fact that Megellan doesnt even seem to rival Admirals that makes me not believe BB is the final antagonist of this series. Though im willing to give him benefit of the doubt and surprise us.
Magellan isn't admiral level because of the haki difference
Still strong tho
 
#7
He lost 1x1 against magellan and went to jail, killed a few fodder guards when they weren´t looking, escaped from prison only because of BB´s crew help and made a cut on moria´s back.

He hasn´t done NOTHING to be considered such a strong guy, as a matter of fact, he´s pretty much featless.

People here talk about this whole ''nothingness'' fruit while we don´t even know if he´s able to do much other than regular invisibility with his standard fruit.

Blackbeard pirates better kill garp and a few marines/revolutionaries because as it stands now, they gonna be fodder against SHs top tiers.
I see him as strong based on his ties to Magellan and his future role as Zoros opponent. He doesn’t have any feats.
 
#9
Tbf a lot of his prowess comes from his devil fruit. Im sure Shiryu is strong, but its exactly the fact that Megellan doesnt even seem to rival Admirals that makes me not believe BB is the final antagonist of this series. Though im willing to give him benefit of the doubt and surprise us.
That's why Magellan was put into coma by Yami BB who didn't even have Tremor DF at the time. Yami BB literally came to Marineford without a scratch. Then he got even a power up later.

Magellan's thing is basically one-shotting similar to how any chemical weapon users can do, Yeti Cool Brothers one-shotted Post-TS Zolo, Caesar Clown beat Post-TS Luffy, Magellan doing the same vs Yami BB was similar to that, although Yami BB won the rematch with ease.

I say Magellan is stronger than Jinbe, (if you know his poison trick, otherwise anyone can get one-shotted), Base Shiryu being on that level is impressive, Shiryu probably got stronger in the new world as well, then a DF power up with awakening puts him on Admirals level.
 
#11


As powerful and deadlier than Magellan.

Which is a massive deal since Magellan is one of the deadliest characters in the series, and was powerful enough that the entire ID escape force (Luffy, Jinbei, Croc, Ivankov etc) were shit scared of him and didn’t even want to try to fight him.



Blackbeard could tell at a glance that Shiryu was trouble



He’s the only one Blackbeard Pirate who’s recruitment got especially focused on.

Plus everything said above. Shiryu’s an obvious monster, even without getting any real focus.
 
#13
If this happened no one would say he is as strong as Magellan. Shiryu simply accepted his penalty and went to jail after Magellan told him he is under arrest.

Magellan is the Warden, he outranks Head Jailer Shiryu, Magellan had the other guardians backing him up, and even if Shiryu beat Magellan, he would still need to deal with the rest of the guardians, then the Marines will go after him, so it was impossible for him to kill Magellan, other guardians and then escape from the Marines.

Ivankov simply said Impel Down was impregnable because of both Magellan and Shiryu, and he said Magellan and Shiryu were equally powerful.

That's Base Shiryu without even a DF power.

Adding a powerful DF ability to that base, would definitely make him Admiral level minimum.


Being put into Level 6 is a feat, Shiryu was put into Level 6 despite not even having a bounty. That's how dangerous he was. People like Daz Bones were in Level 4.

BB's Level 6 crew was called as ''legendary'':



Then Shiryu was confirmed as No.2 of BB pirates with this:



That means he might be potentially even stronger than Aokiji, who is currently a member of BB pirates. If Oda was hiding Aokiji as BB pirates member at the time, then its still impressive to be the strongest amongst the other strongest Level 6 crew members of BB.

BB made all Level 6 prisoners to kill each other, and he only took the strongest members of those legendary pirates:



Shiryu is now confirmed as the strongest Level 6 prisoners with that cover.

Also, Oda himself give credit to BB Pirates, by saying that he would join BB pirates other than SH pirates ''if he was strong'',

''Q: If you could join any pirate crew in One Piece (except for the Straw Hats), which one would you join and why?

E.Oda: Hmm. Except the Straw Hats… I think it would be awesome to be in Buggy’s crew. They seem to be very carefree, and it would be really fun because even the subordinates can make fun of the captain. But if I was really strong, I would want to be in the Blackbeard Pirates.''

That's why BB pirates are special, even if you didn't understand from a former Admiral Aokiji joining them.

BB pirates will be different than the other Yonko crews, except maybe for Shanks's crew, Shanks's crew could be stronger than other Yonko crews as well.

And, another similarity with the Admirals, Oda creates Admirals by being inspired from the Japanese movie characters. Zatoichi etc, Shiryu is based on a Japanese character as well, Yasunori Kato. Very powerful character. Its also the base for M.Bison from Street Fighter series.
I actually agree with this. Well said
 
#14
Hes as strong as the story wants him to be, and the story said hes an EoS villain, putting him above King, and all other YC1s and Zoro opponents bar Mihawk. You cant deny that anymore.

Also no reason to believe he did NOT get stronger after 2 years. If he awakens his fruit, he would be even stronger no doubt.

also this theory still exists so theres that...


Eitherway, only hype will come to Shiryu from this point on until he fights Zoro, so just enjoy the ride or the Bogeyman will come to haunt you in your sleep tonight.
 
#15
Hes as strong as the story wants him to be, and the story said hes an EoS villain, putting him above King, and all other YC1s and Zoro opponents bar Mihawk. You cant deny that anymore.

Also no reason to believe he did NOT get stronger after 2 years. If he awakens his fruit, he would be even stronger no doubt.

also this theory still exists so theres that...


Eitherway, only hype will come to Shiryu from this point on until he fights Zoro, so just enjoy the ride or the Bogeyman will come to haunt you in your sleep tonight.
They story really hasnt suggested anything about the BBP being EoS villains, that's essentially a fan assumption because of BBs parallel to Luffy and broken powerset.

If you want to take the story in its most literal sense, then Whitebeards death speech quite literally spells out that BB wont be the EoS villain:



Unless BB gets One Piece himself, then its suggested that he loses to Luffy before Luffy gets One Piece (maybe even at Laugh Tale), because after this point its highly probable the "Great War" is taking place with the WG with Luffy spearheading it.

And yes, im aware this even is a detriment on my own Shanks/Mihawk theories (though Shanks now has WG connections....), but it absolutely does not help BBs case.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#16
They story really hasnt suggested anything about the BBP being EoS villains, that's essentially a fan assumption because of BBs parallel to Luffy and broken powerset.

If you want to take the story in its most literal sense, then Whitebeards death speech quite literally spells out that BB wont be the EoS villain:



Unless BB gets One Piece himself, then its suggested that he loses to Luffy before Luffy gets One Piece (maybe even at Laugh Tale), because after this point its highly probable the "Great War" is taking place with the WG with Luffy spearheading it.

And yes, im aware this even is a detriment on my own Shanks/Mihawk theories (though Shanks now has WG connections....), but it absolutely does not help BBs case.
Doesn't need to be eos villain to be above king who is at the top of yc1.
 
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#18
Shiryu and Magellan both hover around YC1 level pre-TS. With his fruit, he should be even stronger now. Not to mention he is Zoro's fight, so he should be that strong.
You put magellan at the same level of zoro, marco, king and katakuri???
Doesn't need to be eos villain to be above king who is at the top of yc1.
Katakuri is stronger than king tho. CoC + future sight and paramecia awakening.

King wouldn't have lasted much against snakeman luffy while katakuri would have been a WAY harder challenge for zoro.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#20
You put magellan at the same level of zoro, marco, king and katakuri???

Katakuri is stronger than king tho. CoC + future sight and paramecia awakening.

King wouldn't have lasted much against snakeman luffy while katakuri would have been a WAY harder challenge for zoro.
Katakuri can't hurt king. He gets the shit kickef out of him.
King massacres luffy until he gets coc.
Zoro just needs to to a tatsumaki to rip kuri apart.
 
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