Questions & Mysteries How anyone can beat ''immortal'' 5 Elders?

Erkan12

Erkan12

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If nothing works on them, and there is only one option left:


Throw them into the sea, like Garp did it vs Sanjuan

But Saturn somehow managed to maneuver himself mid-air and turned back, so this might not be an easy thing to do.




On the other hand, this showed us one thing: Saturn wasn't really careful with blocking other attacks since nothing damages him, once Luffy tried to throw him into sea, Saturn suddenly reacted and didn't let that happen, while Luffy's attack wasn't successful, it shows that falling into the sea might be Saturn's and other five Elders only known weakness so far.

Perhaps this is why Darkness and Quake DFs were very important for Teach, if he knew about ''immortality'' as its implied at the end of Law battle:


We know Doflamingo knows the secrets of Celestials as well, and also knows about Immortality and National treasure, if Teach somehow learned that too, perhaps the only way to beat them either throw them to the sea or cut their energy source.

The name of Teach's attack:



''Darkness Water'', it imitates the Sea Energy so that the DF user can't use their power similar to falling into sea.

Why Quake DF was important?








Large scale attacks can cover the island with giant sea waves, can send Tsunami to even an island thats far away, if they are covered while Tsunami sinking the island, then there is no escape from the sea.

That ability is also a big advantage in the sea battle,




Teach didn't even let Law escape underwater, he can control the sea with Quake DF,



''king of the seas'', thats what Teach wants to be.
 
Herrera95

Herrera95

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To be honest I think a gattling gun of CoC coated attacks should be more than fine for that.

We saw how Kuma almost one shotted Saturn and then he regen. So logically if you keep attacking until there is nothing left to regen for he dies.

I'm assuming they are not like Ban who you could literally disintegrate and he would come back somehow.
 
gz89

gz89

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Majin Buu was also "immortal" but in the end the genki dama took him out.

Given how the story goes with Nika wank i wouldn’t be surprised if everyone in the verse raised their hands to give Joyboy some of their haki to defeat the Elders/Imu.
 
Shiroyru

Shiroyru

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Erkan12 said:


If nothing works on them, and there is only one option left:


Throw them into the sea, like Garp did it vs Sanjuan

But Saturn somehow managed to maneuver himself mid-air and turned back, so this might not be an easy thing to do.




On the other hand, this showed us one thing: Saturn wasn't really careful with blocking other attacks since nothing damages him, once Luffy tried to throw him into sea, Saturn suddenly reacted and didn't let that happen, while Luffy's attack wasn't successful, it shows that falling into the sea might be Saturn's and other five Elders only known weakness so far.

Perhaps this is why Darkness and Quake DFs were very important for Teach, if he knew about ''immortality'' as its implied at the end of Law battle:


We know Doflamingo knows the secrets of Celestials as well, and also knows about Immortality and National treasure, if Teach somehow learned that too, perhaps the only way to beat them either throw them to the sea or cut their energy source.

The name of Teach's attack:



''Darkness Water'', it imitates the Sea Energy so that the DF user can't use their power similar to falling into sea.

Why Quake DF was important?








Large scale attacks can cover the island with giant sea waves, can send Tsunami to even an island thats far away, if they are covered while Tsunami sinking the island, then there is no escape from the sea.

That ability is also a big advantage in the sea battle,




Teach didn't even let Law escape underwater, he can control the sea with Quake DF,



''king of the seas'', thats what Teach wants to be.
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Shanks level Haki or Yami Yami
 
gz89

gz89

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MarineHQ said:
You gotta consider that at some point Sanji is gonna damage one of these dudes badly
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Many also thought that Sanji would fight a Warlord back in the day (Doffy for reason, i guess because they are both blonde).
After the ts next one on the list was Kizaru because speed and yellow theme. Anime opening during DR made some Sanjibros lunatics.
After that it was Jupeter because blonde and same clothes.
Today its Mars.
Idk who will be tomorrow but Oda shit so much on Sanji that i really wouldnt be surprised if he wont defeat any big shot ever. Just skirmishes and stuff like this.
 
Juanpiz

Juanpiz

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gz89 said:
Many also thought that Sanji would fight a Warlord back in the day (Doffy for reason, i guess because they are both blonde).
After the ts next one on the list was Kizaru because speed and yellow theme. Anime opening during DR made some Sanjibros lunatics.
After that it was Jupeter because blonde and same clothes.
Today its Mars.
Idk who will be tomorrow but Oda shit so much on Sanji that i really wouldnt be surprised if he wont defeat any big shot ever. Just skirmishes and stuff like this.
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What is left for him:choppawhat:
 
gz89

gz89

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Juanpiz said:
What is left for him:choppawhat:
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All i know is that its been 14 years since the ts started and Sanji's only big feat/skirmish against a top tier was blocking a laser beam from Kizaru. Hell even Brook and Franky got a moment against an Emperor.

Idk if his final battle would be an Admiral or a Gorosei but it doesnt make sense to jump from Laffite(probably) to some top tier fighter.
 
grey matter

grey matter

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Erkan12 said:


If nothing works on them, and there is only one option left:


Throw them into the sea, like Garp did it vs Sanjuan

But Saturn somehow managed to maneuver himself mid-air and turned back, so this might not be an easy thing to do.




On the other hand, this showed us one thing: Saturn wasn't really careful with blocking other attacks since nothing damages him, once Luffy tried to throw him into sea, Saturn suddenly reacted and didn't let that happen, while Luffy's attack wasn't successful, it shows that falling into the sea might be Saturn's and other five Elders only known weakness so far.

Perhaps this is why Darkness and Quake DFs were very important for Teach, if he knew about ''immortality'' as its implied at the end of Law battle:


We know Doflamingo knows the secrets of Celestials as well, and also knows about Immortality and National treasure, if Teach somehow learned that too, perhaps the only way to beat them either throw them to the sea or cut their energy source.

The name of Teach's attack:



''Darkness Water'', it imitates the Sea Energy so that the DF user can't use their power similar to falling into sea.

Why Quake DF was important?








Large scale attacks can cover the island with giant sea waves, can send Tsunami to even an island thats far away, if they are covered while Tsunami sinking the island, then there is no escape from the sea.

That ability is also a big advantage in the sea battle,




Teach didn't even let Law escape underwater, he can control the sea with Quake DF,



''king of the seas'', thats what Teach wants to be.
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Yeah, I think Blackbeard would play a key role in defeat of Gorosei.

I was going to create a thread about how yami DF is the key to killing Gorosei, but you beat me to it lol.
The immortality is likely due to ope DF's surgery, Blackbeard can maybe temporarily deactivate this or maybe even permanently remove the immortality aspect by absorbing it to black hole.
 
Salah WG

Salah WG

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I believe Blackbeard & Luffy/Ace/Sabo Mirrors Story of Moon People
Hence Blackbeard's Darkness DF gonna Play a Role similar to Enel's DF

Think of Luffy, Ace & Sabo Factions as Shandians, Birkans & Skypieans
With their Origin (Moon People) being represented by Garp's
Blackbeard is the Enel of this Story, meaning He is Main Villain of these Four Factions & Precisely Garp + Luffy/Ace/Sabo
You will ask how? Well, it's simple

Enel was a Birkan, He ended up taking "Goro Goro No Mi" from them & Use it to Destroy them
He then Invaded Skypieans & forced them out of their Main Land, so They ended up Living outside of it
And his Main Opposition were Shandians. Now replace these with Characters/Factions i mentioned above
What did Blackbeard do?

He was Part of WB Pirates, He took Darkness DF from them, Betrayed them & now WB Pirates are No More (Both WB & Ace Dead)
And then He Invaded Revos & forced them out of their Main Land (Baltigo), so now They live outside of it, They didn't try to Fight back
Who instead wants to Defeat him? It's Straw Hat Pirates
And now He set his Eyes on World Government (Literally & Exactly like Enel Story went)

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Why is this Comparison Important? Why is Blackbeard's Story similar to Enel's?
That's because They have the same "Role"
First, to Recap:

Blackbeard --- Enel
Darkness DF --- Lightning DF
Ace - WB Pirates --- Birkans
Sabo - Revos --- Skypieans
Luffy - SHs --- Shandians
Garp - WG --- Moon People Overall

However, for Enel to reach Moon City, He needed "Maxim", which is Empowered by Treasure of Shandians (Gold) & his DF
In other words, Blackbeard needs both his DF & a Treasure owned by SHs to truly be able to access Hidden City inside Mary Geoise

What is this Treasure of SHs? Well, just like Luffy represents Shandians in this Story, his Equivalent of Golden City is also represented by a Character (Crewmember), how do We identify him? By simply comparing to Golden City

Shandora can be Split into Three Parts

1. People's Attraction --- The Gold Overall was what Attracts Anyone
2. The Promised Treasure --- The Golden Bell is what Ties an Old Promise
3. The Real Treasure --- Poneglyph is what Golden City was built to Preserve & it's Hidden under Golden Bell

Is there a Straw Hat who match this Description? Yes, it's none other than Brook
Brook's entire Body is Special because it's a Living Skeleton (It represents The Gold)
However, a piece of this Body is needed to Fulfill a Promise, which is none other than his Afro (It represents The Golden Bell)
And under this Afro, there is Brook's Real Treasure which is Recording of his Nakama (It represents Shandia Poneglyph)

Not only that, but in Skypiea Arc, Golden Bell & Poneglyph ended up Seperate from Rest
So Enel only used that remaining Gold to reach Moon City

And conveniently Brook's Head does indeed get Seperated from Rest of his Body without him Dying
Meaning Blackbeard will capture Brook with his Soul inside, but his Head (Afro & Dial) are gonna remain Safe

Why does Blackbeard need Brook to enter Mary Geoise Hidden City? Well, cuz Brook's DF is "Unique"
Every single DF User, when They die, their Devils (Powers) don't Travel with them to Afterlife, They instead find a New Fruit
Meaning DFs are not allowed Access to Afterlife, They are bond to this World

Except Brook's DF that remained with him throughout the Journey to Afterlife
This means that Brook's Awakening can give same Ability to others, meaning DF Users become able to enter Afterlife

Mary Geoise Hidden City is an Entrance to Hell/Afterlife or a Version of it
Blackbeard will use Brook to enter it (Something that DF Users shouldn't be capable of)

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This brings us to Blackbeard's True Purpose, just like Enel found that the Moon's Treasure are Automata
Blackbeard will also find Inhabitants of Hell (Demons), and what Fuels them? Obviously Darkness
Just like Enel's DF ended up being the Power Source of both Automata & Moon City

So Blackbeard is Destined to Awaken National Treasure of Mary Geoise, which is Army of Devils
And We are already witnessing Five of them, They are Gorosei who mirror the Automata who were created by a Scientist on Earth & were trying to Protect The Moon

Their Black Forms is literally Blackbeard's Darkness
It doesn't mean They have Darkness Powers, but it means They are Fueled by it
This is what Doflamingo wanted all along, this is why this Treasure can Rule the World
This is why Imu was holding Blackbeard's Wanted Poster

He is Key to Unleashing All Devils upon the World & fueling the Hidden City inside Mary Geoise
Blackbeard is King of Devils, He is Davy Jones of One Piece & that Hidden City is Davy Jones Locker, it's his Duty/Right to Invade it
 
Konstantis

Konstantis

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Dragon777 said:
They are King 2.0

Oda Is set on this path:

- First Kata with FS;
- Kaido with his body that could not be damaged;
- then King;
- then the Gorolames.

All of these cases had a weakness, a secret or a power that could hurt them.
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unlike King they also act as immortals, no doudging, no blocks...they are different
 
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