General & Others How come Kaido couldn't stop Vegapunk from experimenting on him.

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#82
We do not know about that......besides he was getting captured lots of times too...........
We pretty much do.
It's not rocket science to put together.
King looks like he's wearing an Impel down uniform
He probably met kaido when he moved him to punk hazard to be experimented on where they met queen who was working with vegapunk judge etc
And eventually they made him escape. Its nailed on at this point.
 
#83
Because king and queen made him escape
That is a good assumption. I think too that of the multiple times he was captured he was saved maybe once by King (he seem an Impel down officier who loves torture, he tried it with Kaido but after failing every time he swotched sides and help him escape) and once by Queen (and Queen could be the one who helped him with Vegapunk, he is a cyborg who knows Judge, who worked with Vegapunk, so maybe he was a willing giunea pig that switched sides after witnessing Kaido invulnerability). Yet these for now are just assumptions and also it stays that it would have been better for the WG to kill him: eliminate what at the time was at the very least a yonko seed and also gain directly the dragon fruit instead of just experimenting on the user, probably Vegapunk work would have been easier/better but more importanly they could have used the df directly and power up an admiral gaining a huge boost in strength. But that didn't happen, why?
 
#84
Am I the one assuming too much? Then just think about Buggy, he has no accomplishments bar being part of Roger crew. That alone basically was enough to give him the warlord proposal by the WG. Kaido was that with the difference he was also recognized as one of the strongest in the crew and even if we assume it was captured right after the God valley incident either way he already had the strongest zoan and the WG recognized that as well otherwise why send the greatest scientist Vegapunk to work on him and his df? So either he already was a big threat already or for sure it was evident he was a yonko seed. Yet he escaped without injuries.
No, he wasn't recognized as one of the strongest. He was brought up in the conversation because he is currently a Yonko, so it was obvious that Sengoku would mention him since a current Yonko was in the same crew as another two Yonko at that time, but he was merely an apprentice, he didn't say anything about his strength being great at that point.

If you give the quake quake fruit to a kid, he won't reach the lvl of destruction of WB. Or magu magu, or any other overpowered fruit. One needs many years of training and fightning with it. So it doesn't matter if Kaido's fruit had the potential of the strongest Zoan, if he was captured, he wans't the strongest at that point despite his fruit.
You are assuming a lot of things.

But the most safe assumption was that he was weak at that point when he was captured, not a fodder but still away from an Admiral.
Yonko didn't exist at that point (before 20 years ago). At that point it was Roger, Shiki and WB era. And 20 years ago Kaido merely had an army of 1000 men, while currently he has 30k.
It was early to say his potential (his own, not his fruit, for now his better feats in combat are without his DF).
 
#85
We pretty much do.
It's not rocket science to put together.
King looks like he's wearing an Impel down uniform
He probably met kaido when he moved him to punk hazard to be experimented on where they met queen who was working with vegapunk judge etc
And eventually they made him escape. Its nailed on at this point.
Well thats just a theory....and even still he was captured lots of times already.........plus they were testing on him in present rather than killing him and taking his df
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#86
That is a good assumption. I think too that of the multiple tines he was captured he was saved maybe once by King (he seem an Imple down officier who loves torture, he tried it with Kaido but after failing every time he swotched sides and help him escape) and once by Queen (and Queen could be the one who helped him with Vegapunk, he is a cyborg who knows Judge, who worked with Vegapunk, so maybe he was a willing giunea pig that switched sides after witnessing Kaido invulnerability). Yet these for now are just assumptions and also it stays that it would have been better for the WG to kill him: eliminate what at the time was at the very least a yonko seed and also gain directly the dragon fruit instead of just experimenting on the user, probably Vegapunk work would have been easier/better but more importanly they could have used the df directly and power up an admiral gaining a huge boost in strength. But that didn't happen, why?
Mass production maybe.
Celestial dragons have a thing for wanting dragons so maybe they wanted the dragon fruit mass produced.
 
#90
Mass production maybe.
Celestial dragons have a thing for wanting dragons so maybe they wanted the dragon fruit mass produced.
Maybe, but then why didn't they kill Kaido as to gain the devil fruit directly. It would have been better to experiment and also if they feed it to an admiral, or admiral candidate or whatever, they would have gained a powerhouse and also Vegapunk could have continued to experiment on him/her if needed (or keep the "raw" df for the time.needed for Vegapunk experiments before giving it to and admiral). This just keeps strengthening the invulnerability gimmick of Kaido: his intro, also BM referring to him as a "thing", there is no shame for the wg failing at it since eveybody else failed at it bar Oden who was the only.one who had the right haki to bypass his defences.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#91
Maybe, but then why didn't they kill Kaido as to gain the devil fruit directly. It would have been better to experiment and also if they feed it to an admiral, or admiral candidate or whatever, they would have gained a powerhouse and also Vegapunk could have continued to experiment on him/her if needed (or keep the "raw" df for the time.needed for Vegapunk experiments before giving it to and admiral). This just keeps strengthening the invulnerability gimmick of Kaido (his intro, also BM referring to him as a "thing", there is no shame for the wg failing at it since eveybody else failed at it bar Oden who was the only.one who had the right haki to bypass his defences.
Maybe the lineage factor is easy to get out of the body than a fruit.

Nope. You just need ryou to bypass that defence which the top brass of the navy have.
 
#92
Maybe the lineage factor is easy to get out of the body than a fruit.

Nope. You just need ryou to bypass that defence which the top brass of the navy have.
I don't think so, after all BM as well referred to Kaido as a "thing" also after 3 days of fight between Kaido and BM there was no injury on Kaido (and Bm as well), he was captured multiple times but no injury, suicide is his hobby, excited at dudes who can finally damage him and probably other proofs I missed as well. Anyway let's wait for Oda to give more infos on these points
 
#93
Kaido was very likely a mount for the Celestial Dragon on several of his captures, Vegapunks' guinea pig on others. He was captured 18 times. WG was like: Oh, Kaido escaped again, worry not, he will come back in some months

Now, being serious. Kaido was captured 18 times, 18!! If you take an average of 1 capture per year, he was being captured and defeated for 18 years. Unless you are a fool who believes he was captured like at 3 years old, or every weak when he was a teen.

In fact, if you start thinking about his records, it becomes very hard to argue that ALL of those Ls were given when he was young. People are trying WAYYY to hard to save Kaido's face
 
#95
Kaido was very likely a mount for the Celestial Dragon on several of his captures, Vegapunks' guinea pig on others. He was captured 18 times. WG was like: Oh, Kaido escaped again, worry not, he will come back in some months

Now, being serious. Kaido was captured 18 times, 18!! If you take an average of 1 capture per year, he was being captured and defeated for 18 years. Unless you are a fool who believes he was captured like at 3 years old, or every weak when he was a teen.

In fact, if you start thinking about his records, it becomes very hard to argue that ALL of those Ls were given when he was young. People are trying WAYYY to hard to save Kaido's face
Yeah. Agreed. Kaido was getting captured when he has to be at least a semi top tier.......otherwise why to challenge when you are so young weak.......and only admirals have the power to capture him..........may be color admirals were VA's back then........kaido has to fight them........this also proves in chapter 1001 kaido didn't mentioned any single admirals meaning he view them beneath him and people he mentioned
 
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