Questions & Mysteries How did you feel back then compared to now?
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I pretty much feels the same. G5 ended One Piece for me that was already too bad. I got a month break from it. Now I just tolerate to keep roasting it. It's still shits.
G5 is the worse power up ever probably because Luffy vs Kaido is the worst fight ever.
Let's take a look on all Luffys power ups and we are not talking about gears only.
First power up was against Crocodile. Water Luffy was finally able to hit him and do some damage. Not that gave him enough advantage since the form itself was ridiculous. And Oda should have kept like that until today. Ridiculous forms like Tankman weren't suppose to beat opponents.
A bit later bloody Luffy was able to give Crocodile a proper fight and show how superior he was without his logia intangibility and powers affecting him.
Then we had the fight with Enel that Luffy used dumb mode. Once again a ridiculous form that wasn't suppose to used to defeat Enel. Besides that he had no power up against him.
Finally Enies Lobby he came up with G2 yo defeat Blueno. And the combination of G3 and mainly G2 to defeat Rob Lucci.
Now at Thriller Bark we have Nightmare Luffy that was humiliating Oars something that the Strawhats together couldn't do without Luffy.
Jumping to timeskip we have the training of Luffy and new abilities as haki and red Hawk making him able to defeat Hody Jones and Caesar without much trouble although Hody almost killed him.
Then at Dressrosa we finally got the new gear. Luffy was losing hard to Doflamingo. He couldn't even get out of parasite. G4 Boundman gave him enough edge to overcome even Doffy awakening that the fight was low diff.
Later on WCI we had G4 Tankman that was a ridiculous form used to beat Cracker when Boundman couldn't even get past to his biscuits. By the way Tankman did nothing just received Cracker attack and somehow returned to him as some kind of reflect from pokemon. After that he pulled up G4 Snakeman against Katakuri which made him able to give him back some punches because he was so fast that his weakened FS couldn't react all the time.
Now let's stop here for a while. Pretty much all Luffy transformations have a purpose even the gag ones to overcome some of the opponent abilities.
Now let's see him at Wano against Kaido. Their first battle Luffy couldn't do shit in base or at G4 Boundman because he lacked the proper technique to bypass his hard scale. That's ACoA internal damage he learned at Udon. Then he realized that even with that his hits were too shallow although Kaido was dodging and making faces like a bitch getting murdered. That's why he learned ACoC which he coats his attacks with CoC.
So with just ACoA Luffy wasn't even able go 1v1 Kaido. Now with ACoC this 1v2 can happen even with him in base. So what we can expect? That's combining his gears that boosts his strength he would finally overcome Kaido. And what happens? Luffy out of nowhere pulls his G4 against Kaido and the fight remains just the same. Still an equal 1v1 just like he eas doing in base but he still has the drawback of 10min without haki when G4 runs out.
While already sucked to see how the fight didn't changed after using a power up he still needed another one to finally beat Kaido. That's where G5 comes in action. Initially G5 is a ridiculous form that seems to overcome Kaido easily but it doesn't last long to see that he is barely doing any damage against him and... guess what? The fight is still the same if not on favor of Kaido. For real G5 didn't pulled any better fight then base or G4 until the very end where he uses Bajrang Gun and was still initially losing until talk no jutsu power ups his haki.
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Hell I will make this a thread.
G5 is the worse power up ever probably because Luffy vs Kaido is the worst fight ever.
Let's take a look on all Luffys power ups and we are not talking about gears only.
First power up was against Crocodile. Water Luffy was finally able to hit him and do some damage. Not that gave him enough advantage since the form itself was ridiculous. And Oda should have kept like that until today. Ridiculous forms like Tankman weren't suppose to beat opponents.
A bit later bloody Luffy was able to give Crocodile a proper fight and show how superior he was without his logia intangibility and powers affecting him.
Then we had the fight with Enel that Luffy used dumb mode. Once again a ridiculous form that wasn't suppose to used to defeat Enel. Besides that he had no power up against him.
Finally Enies Lobby he came up with G2 yo defeat Blueno. And the combination of G3 and mainly G2 to defeat Rob Lucci.
Now at Thriller Bark we have Nightmare Luffy that was humiliating Oars something that the Strawhats together couldn't do without Luffy.
Jumping to timeskip we have the training of Luffy and new abilities as haki and red Hawk making him able to defeat Hody Jones and Caesar without much trouble although Hody almost killed him.
Then at Dressrosa we finally got the new gear. Luffy was losing hard to Doflamingo. He couldn't even get out of parasite. G4 Boundman gave him enough edge to overcome even Doffy awakening that the fight was low diff.
Later on WCI we had G4 Tankman that was a ridiculous form used to beat Cracker when Boundman couldn't even get past to his biscuits. By the way Tankman did nothing just received Cracker attack and somehow returned to him as some kind of reflect from pokemon. After that he pulled up G4 Snakeman against Katakuri which made him able to give him back some punches because he was so fast that his weakened FS couldn't react all the time.
Now let's stop here for a while. Pretty much all Luffy transformations have a purpose even the gag ones to overcome some of the opponent abilities.
Now let's see him at Wano against Kaido. Their first battle Luffy couldn't do shit in base or at G4 Boundman because he lacked the proper technique to bypass his hard scale. That's ACoA internal damage he learned at Udon. Then he realized that even with that his hits were too shallow although Kaido was dodging and making faces like a bitch getting murdered. That's why he learned ACoC which he coats his attacks with CoC.
So with just ACoA Luffy wasn't even able go 1v1 Kaido. Now with ACoC this 1v2 can happen even with him in base. So what we can expect? That's combining his gears that boosts his strength he would finally overcome Kaido. And what happens? Luffy out of nowhere pulls his G4 against Kaido and the fight remains just the same. Still an equal 1v1 just like he eas doing in base but he still has the drawback of 10min without haki when G4 runs out.
While already sucked to see how the fight didn't changed after using a power up he still needed another one to finally beat Kaido. That's where G5 comes in action. Initially G5 is a ridiculous form that seems to overcome Kaido easily but it doesn't last long to see that he is barely doing any damage against him and... guess what? The fight is still the same if not on favor of Kaido. For real G5 didn't pulled any better fight then base or G4 until the very end where he uses Bajrang Gun and was still initially losing until talk no jutsu power ups his haki.
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Hell I will make this a thread.
I absolutely love and adore the concept of imagination-based body form in combat, but imo Oda executed that fresh concept so badly.
My headcanon on how to fix this:
- Instead of getting Nika fruit for granted since the beginning, Luffy shouldve not only unlock the full potential of Gomu2, but even nurture the fruit to grow by himself to become an entirely new fruit, basically creating a new devil fruit and form himself
- No "Luffy Toons" at the beginning. Instead just draw regular white-haired Luffy attacking in regular Oda-style manga art, but he's now able to freely change in muscle mass. This will be added by people including Luffy himself, Kaidou and others revealing what Luffy is doing in combat ("His punch becomes unbelievably strong! He can freely increase his own muscle mass?!") ("He just slowly tapped Kaidou's seastone club...and it breaks?! Did he just amplify his own kinetic energy as he please !?")
- If Oda wanna make Luffy into Joy Boy, then the name Joy Boy should not be a character living in the past, but a hopeful dream (not a prophecy) from people of the past...about a character in the future (which Luffy fulfill by becoming).
- Luffy should be laughing not in gags but in insanity, as in he starts to be addicted in becoming mad powerful and really like it when he's having no consequences from his actions.
- At the next level of mastery, then Oda can start drawing Luffy's body as Toon.
But it should be eerie, not cute. And the art / animation should be actually connected to his performance in combat. As he activates Toon Mode and becomes cartoon, his body and existence start to be unaffected by law of physics, ignoring attacks from his enemies like a cartoon would.
And certainly his enemies and other characters should never be shared this characteristics. No cartoon version of enemies. Rather, the effect of Luffy's attack on his enemies should be even more real and raw than before, just like pre-TS WB getting his head blown off by Akainu.
Luffy can suddenly make his own head much bigger cartoonishly like a balloon, but then eat Kaidou's head clean off with gruesome art without the reader even anticipating about it. Creating a contrast between Luffy's silly body and the enemies' mangled body, just like Madoka Magica's monsters killing real people with contrasting animations. So Luffy is laughing at his enemies, not laughing together with them.
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Sorry, not meaning to derail your thread...just imagining this scenario tho.
My headcanon on how to fix this:
- Instead of getting Nika fruit for granted since the beginning, Luffy shouldve not only unlock the full potential of Gomu2, but even nurture the fruit to grow by himself to become an entirely new fruit, basically creating a new devil fruit and form himself
- No "Luffy Toons" at the beginning. Instead just draw regular white-haired Luffy attacking in regular Oda-style manga art, but he's now able to freely change in muscle mass. This will be added by people including Luffy himself, Kaidou and others revealing what Luffy is doing in combat ("His punch becomes unbelievably strong! He can freely increase his own muscle mass?!") ("He just slowly tapped Kaidou's seastone club...and it breaks?! Did he just amplify his own kinetic energy as he please !?")
- If Oda wanna make Luffy into Joy Boy, then the name Joy Boy should not be a character living in the past, but a hopeful dream (not a prophecy) from people of the past...about a character in the future (which Luffy fulfill by becoming).
- Luffy should be laughing not in gags but in insanity, as in he starts to be addicted in becoming mad powerful and really like it when he's having no consequences from his actions.
- At the next level of mastery, then Oda can start drawing Luffy's body as Toon.
But it should be eerie, not cute. And the art / animation should be actually connected to his performance in combat. As he activates Toon Mode and becomes cartoon, his body and existence start to be unaffected by law of physics, ignoring attacks from his enemies like a cartoon would.
And certainly his enemies and other characters should never be shared this characteristics. No cartoon version of enemies. Rather, the effect of Luffy's attack on his enemies should be even more real and raw than before, just like pre-TS WB getting his head blown off by Akainu.
Luffy can suddenly make his own head much bigger cartoonishly like a balloon, but then eat Kaidou's head clean off with gruesome art without the reader even anticipating about it. Creating a contrast between Luffy's silly body and the enemies' mangled body, just like Madoka Magica's monsters killing real people with contrasting animations. So Luffy is laughing at his enemies, not laughing together with them.
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Sorry, not meaning to derail your thread...just imagining this scenario tho.
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I dislike this loony toon shit.
The design is good, prettier than G4, but thats it
His constant laughing is unbearable.
I also dislike that there is no rule for G5. Oda took the easy way out by adding the same drawbacks he did for other gears, time limit and weak against cutting. He could be more creative than being lazy in this regard.
Only rubber awakening with AdCoC could be OP af and Oda could avoid the nika nika retcon
The design is good, prettier than G4, but thats it
His constant laughing is unbearable.
I also dislike that there is no rule for G5. Oda took the easy way out by adding the same drawbacks he did for other gears, time limit and weak against cutting. He could be more creative than being lazy in this regard.
Only rubber awakening with AdCoC could be OP af and Oda could avoid the nika nika retcon
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i think oda shouldve kept it as a locked away gag as he intended.
the rubber quality stuff i understand but mythical zoan is off, Sun God Nika was a Rubberman himself?
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what i didnt like was how easily luffy is/was able to overpower kaidos haki and turn him to rubber and affect him as well when he was just showcasing superior haki to luffy overall how does his haki suddenly increase leaps and bounds as well.
the rubber quality stuff i understand but mythical zoan is off, Sun God Nika was a Rubberman himself?
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what i didnt like was how easily luffy is/was able to overpower kaidos haki and turn him to rubber and affect him as well when he was just showcasing superior haki to luffy overall how does his haki suddenly increase leaps and bounds as well.
