Powers & Abilities How does Sanji surpass Scopper Gaban if he never gets ACoC?

[Rukusho]

Him getting CoC before Zoro wouldn't have felt right. And the idea that he needed to get it in WCI because it was "his" arc, is arbitrary. If that were true, we wouldn't have had that whole development in Wano with him getting the exoskeleton and destroying the RS, all of this would have happened in WCI. Not everything related to Sanji's character development has to happen in a single arc.

Zoro showed CoA before Luffy.

WCI is Sanjis most stressed arc where he is pushed to his limit, this should have been is CoC moment. Using Zoro as an excuse doesn’t work too well. (This arc even gave him a bounty higher than Zoro’s)

Wano closes that door on his confliction he even states Luffy doesn’t need him to be a someone who can crush someone like Queen with ease, Sanji just need to be Sanji a kind hearted person.

Plot will give him the boost he needs, just like Wano and Eneis Lobby.

 

[Rumble]

I disagree.

We’ve seen characters who are self conflicted who awaken CoC in fact that’s the moment they awaken CoC. (Yamato, Doflamingo, Zoro, Luffy) WCI would have been ideal.

There's being conflicted, and there's believing your life has no intrinsic value and feeling guilty for existing.

Thematically, it just wouldn't be fitting for Sanji to have been capable of awakening CoC if he didn't feel worthy of living. That has changed now Sanji accepts himself and has closed the book on the trauma holding him back.

Irrespective of that, Gaban has obviously been a long time coming, so Oda may have chosen to establish his CoC first regardless of Sanji's fitness to it.

Sanji isn’t Zoro there’s no reason for him to be a late bloomer Zoro awakening it late is akin to Ryuma (who didn’t know he was called King | Zoro didn’t know he was a King).

The reason Sanji qualifies for CoC have nothing to do with Zoro so idk why you're bringing him up.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I mean he’s obviously unlocking CoC. It’s just a matter of when.

 

[Rukusho]

You confused him with the guy that his character get sbsed and offscreened
Oda already confirmed in a sbs he is not done with sanji as oppose to others who dont get anything

Didn’t Oda say Sanji will never be cool again ?

 

[kekaro]

Didn’t Oda say Sanji will never be cool again ?

Yeah but the new statment is recent so he retcon hit again like Lings shit abilities

DAILY reminder:
daily reminder that oda hand drew more of a backstory to sanjis lighter btw. while he could not be arsed about putting his name about a shill novel to make it canon making 0 effort to do so I wonder who is more relevant to oda

Special shoutouts to odas wording "stop asking me about this irrelevant nikas backstory or relevancy i farted it out"

 

[Julius]

We need to realize something, Sanjis whole character arc just came to a close during Wano.

Figuring out his chivalry, his genes awakening, and closure with his family.

If Oda gives Sanji the same “I didn’t know I had CoC” plot like Zoro it wouldn’t make sense this should have happened during WCI were in the end game of OP giving him CoC wouldn’t make much sense.

You're making shit up man, CoO is also a type of Haki and Sanji specializes on it. Zoro only got Haki boost in Wano

Oda also adressed how Sanji's CoA is important to Diable Jambe and Ifrit Jambe. Oda could've simply made his CoA irrelevant to the usage of his flames but he didn’t. Haki has always been important for Sanji its just that Zfans lack some reading comprehension

 

[Cozy Sofa]

Step one: Ranged attacks. I can't think of any character of any significance who lacks long range apart from Sanji. Apart from Chopper and him all the SHP have it right?

But Yeah, CoC & FS & Exoskeleton + Judges special blend of anabolic steroids and whatever else. The kicking style is great aesthetically but not really effective/dangerous like Gabans axes.

 

[kekaro]

Step one: Ranged attacks. I can't think of any character of any significance who lacks long range apart from Sanji. Apart from Chopper and him all the SHP have it right?

But Yeah, CoC & FS & Exoskeleton + Judges special blend of anabolic steroids and whatever else. The kicking style is great aesthetically but not really effective/dangerous like Gabans axes.

I think oda not gonna give zoro geppo or sanji slicing attacks. That seems a concious choice of him
Its obviously not a power level thing

 

[Max]

Zoro showed CoA before Luffy.

He didn't. What he used against Daz Bones wasn't CoA, otherwise he could have cut Enel.

WCI is Sanjis most stressed arc where he is pushed to his limit, this should have been is CoC moment
Wano closes that door on his confliction he even states Luffy doesn’t need him to be a someone who can crush someone like Queen with ease, Sanji just need to be Sanji a kind hearted person.

Pushed to his limit? He didn't get a single conclusive 1v1 fight, he was never pushed to his limit. Only Luffy was. The focus he received in WCI wasn't strength-oriented at all.

Sanji's statement in Wano was only about his emotions, he said he doesn't need to be an emotionless machine to help Luffy. It had absolutely nothing to do with CoC or any specific strength-related power-up other than the thing that would make him lose his humanity (the RS). You're reaching.

Using Zoro as an excuse doesn’t work too well. (This arc even gave him a bounty higher than Zoro’s)

That's because Zoro wasn't there. And bounties aren't just about strength, CoC is.

 

[Cozy Sofa]

I think oda not gonna give zoro geppo or sanji slicing attacks. That seems a concious choice of him
Its obviously not a power level thing

Sure. But he could give Sanji a fishman karate like attack. Kick the air so hard it shoots an air cannon. Paired with Ivankovs abilities he could make it a spectre, gomu gomu no gatling style but with air cannons.

 

[kekaro]

Sure. But he could give Sanji a fishman karate like attack. Kick the air so hard it shoots an air cannon. Paired with Ivankovs abilities he could make it a spectre, gomu gomu no gatling style but with air cannons.

I guess thats true but i dont think there was a need for that, as in like a blunt type of range attacked
Oda is clearly a person that comes up with attack when its eeded (leopard hunt recently lmao)
I fail to imagine where Sanji was in need of a ranged attack post-ts
Like even in most dire situation, like for example when Doffy was about to kill Nami Brook and chopper, sanji reached then im time from all the way from dress rosa throuh greenbit and further with skywalk.
Like it would be cool but i see also why it didnt was drawn, as opposed to a cutting type of attack which is clearly something oda doesnt want to cause of character/stylistic reasons

 

[Light D Fist.]

Sure. But he could give Sanji a fishman karate like attack. Kick the air so hard it shoots an air cannon. Paired with Ivankovs abilities he could make it a spectre, gomu gomu no gatling style but with air cannons.

Yeah if Oda didn’t give him Rankyaku yet then he isn’t getting it despite obviously using Geopo since the TS and Soru as well.

I think his ranged attacks will be akin to creating a high pressure ball by superheating the air around him, which he will kick like a football . So it won’t be cutting attacks but more blunt force impacts

 

[comrade]

FS + ACoC on top of further enhancements to his bloodline.

 

[Garps tekkai]

Based on that logic, it took Zoro 9 arcs to catch up with Luffy because that's how long it took for him to get CoC after Luffy got it. What about FS, is Sanji not getting it because Luffy got it much earlier in the story? I just don't think that's how it works.

Sanji getting ACoC now would only mean he didn't need it earlier because his exoskeleton and basic haki were enough. Zoro entirely relies on haki, so him needing to get an advanced form in Wano made sense. Luffy fought an Emperor of the sea and ACoC alone wasn't even enough. Apples and oranges.


Sounds like a made up rule. Zoro was able to use ACoC as soon as he unlocked CoC.

Yeah because during the timeskip Zoro already learned how to control his CoA flow. His main task was to learn how to get haki onto his swords.
Plus you can argue that upon releasing Enma fully, he let it pull out his CoC aswell, hence he got an advCoC crash course anyway, upon which KoH mode became a thing.

Completely =/= Sanji's situation

 

[Max]

Yeah if Oda didn’t give him Rankyaku yet then he isn’t getting it despite obviously using Geopo since the TS and Soru as well.

I think his ranged attacks will be akin to creating a high pressure ball by superheating the air around him, which he will kick like a football . So it won’t be cutting attacks but more blunt force impacts

Not giving him Rankyaku never made sense tbh. He's a kick specialist and he can use any other CP9 technique based around kicks, so he should be able to do it. My guess is Oda wants Sanji to remain a pure close-ranged fighter. If the issue was only that he wants slashes to be Zoro's thing, he could have given Sanji something akin to a mix between Shigan and Rankyaku. A fiery air shockwave that would pierce the target's body, and burn them in the process.

 

[FutureWarrior123]

Sanji might have CoC but for some reason I think Oda will have him walk a different path in progression separate from Zoro and Luffy. At the end of the day we have a defined goalpost for Sanji to reach and surpass, so there’s no need to add some prerequisite for him to become a top tier like ACOC. It will simply happen.

I somewhat think the final power ups for the M3 will relate to their Haki affinity.

Luffy - CoC mastery
Zoro - Black Blade (CoA)
Sanji - CoO

 

[Sir Yasheen]

We need to realize something, Sanjis whole character arc just came to a close during Wano.

Figuring out his chivalry, his genes awakening, and closure with his family.

If Oda gives Sanji the same “I didn’t know I had CoC” plot like Zoro it wouldn’t make sense this should have happened during WCI were in the end game of OP giving him CoC wouldn’t make much sense.

Sanjis arc is far from over. The origin of his fire and why his love gives him the strength to alter his very genetic code is still left unexplained.

Oda himself said “let’s keep our eye on Sanji” in an SBS LONG after WCI.

 

[Roo]

Sanjis arc is far from over. The origin of his fire and why his love gives him the strength to alter his very genetic code is still left unexplained.

Oda himself said “let’s keep our eye on Sanji” in an SBS LONG after WCI.

Saying an MC’s character ended before the final saga is wild work

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Saying an MC’s character ended before the final saga is wild work

Years of Sanji hate and downplay is hard to break.

 

[Roo]

Years of Sanji hate and downplay is hard to break.

I came to realize people just project the laziness or lack imagination unto Oda lol.