Powers & Abilities How Haki and Logia Abilities work (Explanation for Erkan12 and co.)

#41
In Akainu's and Aokiji's case their devil fruit abilities neither negate nor disable each others properties.
Whether Akainu hits Aokiji with a magma fist or Aokiji hits Akainu with an Ice Spear, without haki it won't hit their actual bodies since neither Magma nor Ice negate/disable the properties of their respective elements.
It's no different to a bullet or a sword going through them.
The thing is that we can clearly see that Aokij got burnt
and I dont recall it ever being stated that haki reinforces the effects of elemental damage on other logias. We saw Akainu claim that he could burn Ace not because he has haki or because counters and/or disables his fire, but simply because his element is hotter, so the effects that logias have on one another arent simply rock, paper and scissors
 
#43
You don't need haki to hurt a Logia
Luffy could hurt Enel for example
Magma is also a counter to Ice
Akainu could melt Aokiji's iced ground in Marineford

The SBS only talk about clear superiority of a DF on another one not DF's which counters others DF
 

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The Rogue Prince
#47
Here she gets cut in half with haki and doesn't regenerate from it, also you can see in that panel that there is no snow forming/dispersing around the cut part because haki bypassed the intangibility.
Zoro did not use Haki here when he cut her using Dragon Quake. It was further explained that Monet couldn't reform immediately because of the overwhelming fear that if he had used Haki she'd have died.

A better example would be this, damage from haki infused attacks transferring to Monet's real body.
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He melted ice which is natural. That doesn't mean he can harm Aokiji without using haki. That is simply how logia intangibility works, you misunderstood the entire point of this thread.
 
#49
The thing is that we can clearly see that Aokij got burnt
and I dont recall it ever being stated that haki reinforces the effects of elemental damage on other logias. We saw Akainu claim that he could burn Ace not because he has haki or because counters and/or disables his fire, but simply because his element is hotter, so the effects that logias have on one another arent simply rock, paper and scissors
Akainu was only able to burn Ace due to haki the comment Akainu made about his fruit was just to tell ace that he doesnt stand a chance.
Multiple examples were already provided throughout this thread which proved that logias cant be hurt unless their properties are disabled/negated.
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Zoro did not use Haki here when he cut her using Dragon Quake. It was further explained that Monet couldn't reform immediately because of the overwhelming fear that if he had used Haki she'd have died.

A better example would be this, damage from haki infused attacks transferring to Monet's real body.
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He melted ice which is natural. That doesn't mean he can harm Aokiji without using haki. That is simply how logia intangibility works, you misunderstood the entire point of this thread.
well it doesn't really matter which example you take since like tashigi said "she cant control her own body and is paralyzed"
Monets body reacted as IF she was hit with haki, so whether haki was actually used or not doesnt matter in this case
The point was only to show the difference in how it looks
 
#59
because he spreads nonsense on a daily basis... but i hunt everyone who does that not only erkan
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Aren't you the guy who thinks Mihawk > Admirals despite Mihawk being a shichibukai and therefore also being part of the world government's military power?
And the Gorosei themselves labeled each of the Admirals part of their strongest military power within the entire WG... so it's literally a manga fact that Admirals > Mihawk.
The logic behind ''Mihawk > Admirals'' is simple
Admirals are more or less equals in strength
Luigi is an Admiral and a swordsman
Mihawk is the WSS
Therefor Mihawk > Luigi
Unless Luigi is weaker than his peers, it makes Mihawk > any admiral
 
#60
The logic behind ''Mihawk > Admirals'' is simple
Admirals are more or less equals in strength
Luigi is an Admiral and a swordsman
Mihawk is the WSS
Therefor Mihawk > Luigi
Unless Luigi is weaker than his peers, it makes Mihawk > any admiral
Luigi?
If you mean Fujitora, now that he holds the title of Admiral he is no longer a swordsman we already figured that out in another thread.
His infobox made by Oda also was falsely translated into "swordsman" despite it only saying "Katana User".
That would be the same as if Big Mom would be called a swordsman, even so she clearly isn't.
Every Admiral is individually called the strongest military power of the WG while Mihawk is also part of their military power.
On top of that Fujitora and Ryokugyo are in fact weaker than the OG Admiral trio.
 
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