Character Discussion How Trafalgar D. Water Law has impacted the story negatively.
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Not really,Law gave us Punk Hazard,Dressrosa and Wano.
Law is not a better swordsman than Zoro even with his DF.Chopper can actually create medicine and heal stuff Law can't,Law is just better at surgery thanks to his DF.Robin can read poneglyphs and knows a lot about ancient history,Law can't do either.Sanji was never a tactician,he just had clever moments.After Wano,he won't see much of him until EOS,probably.
Law is not a better swordsman than Zoro even with his DF.Chopper can actually create medicine and heal stuff Law can't,Law is just better at surgery thanks to his DF.Robin can read poneglyphs and knows a lot about ancient history,Law can't do either.Sanji was never a tactician,he just had clever moments.After Wano,he won't see much of him until EOS,probably.
No it is not all his devil fruit. Law trained swordsmanship with diamante and is a swotdsman. Law even lectured people about swordsmanship. Law is a swordsman get it in your freaking head already.
Law was learning medicine since he was little. His fathet was a doctor. His crew are basically a bunch of doctors.Law and chopper both created the antidote. Chopper wanting to cure any disease is basically saying I want to become the greatest doctor and law is a doctor.
Damn the coping is high on this one
What do you mean sowhat? It is a story about the strawhats.
Law has continuously done more harm than good and added close to nothing to the original theme. I already explained the reasons.
Law was learning medicine since he was little. His fathet was a doctor. His crew are basically a bunch of doctors.Law and chopper both created the antidote. Chopper wanting to cure any disease is basically saying I want to become the greatest doctor and law is a doctor.
Damn the coping is high on this one
What do you mean sowhat? It is a story about the strawhats.
Law has continuously done more harm than good and added close to nothing to the original theme. I already explained the reasons.
I never said he wasn't a swordsman, i'm saying that his greatest strenght comes from his DF. Law needs a giant Room to be able to cut a mountain, Zoro can do it with his swords and haki alone, thus Law doesn't overshadow Zoro purely as a swordsman, it's not that complicated.
Their fighting styles are also very different and have never really clashed with each other.
Again that doesn't mean he's overshadowing Chopper as a medic in the story. Chopper is the one out here making vaccines in Onigashima, treating the minks in Zou, helping the children in Punk Hazard and more. After the time skip Law hasn't actually acted that much like a doctor even if we know he is a great one.
No? Law was literally at the rooftop. It was Chopper and Miyagi who did with the help of Marco's flames to fend off the virus
No, it's not a competition, Chopper is happy to learn from doctors he admires like Hogback. He has never expressed any sort of rivalry torwards other doctors. You're making shit up.
How so? Do you even know what a tactician is? They strategize, make plans and give orders to carry out their plans. Sanji has never done that.
Sanji having a handful of moments where he showed how clever he can be doesn't mean he was ever a tactician.
Kinemon is the one who planned the raid in the first place, does that mean he's overshadowing Sanji too?
Just because Law is smart doesn't mean he's doing things Sanji would've done otherwise. Oda not giving Sanji more moments like those doesn't mean Law is taking them.
And again, how does Law being interested in the D and the void century somehow overshadow Robin?
There are a lot of characters who are interested in learning the secrets of the world but Robin is ultimately the only one who can put them together. Your reason for why Law somehow "overshadows" Robin is shit.
Fucking Momonosuke and Yamato are more of a danger to Robin's relevance than Law could ever hope to be.
I've already refuted all your shit reasons. If you can't reply to me with actual arguments and not just "you're coping" or "It's a story about the SHs" then i assume you're just trolling.
Law hasn't done harm to the story, if anything he's one the best characters post time skip.
Their fighting styles are also very different and have never really clashed with each other.
Again that doesn't mean he's overshadowing Chopper as a medic in the story. Chopper is the one out here making vaccines in Onigashima, treating the minks in Zou, helping the children in Punk Hazard and more. After the time skip Law hasn't actually acted that much like a doctor even if we know he is a great one.
No? Law was literally at the rooftop. It was Chopper and Miyagi who did with the help of Marco's flames to fend off the virus
No, it's not a competition, Chopper is happy to learn from doctors he admires like Hogback. He has never expressed any sort of rivalry torwards other doctors. You're making shit up.
How so? Do you even know what a tactician is? They strategize, make plans and give orders to carry out their plans. Sanji has never done that.
Sanji having a handful of moments where he showed how clever he can be doesn't mean he was ever a tactician.
Kinemon is the one who planned the raid in the first place, does that mean he's overshadowing Sanji too?
Just because Law is smart doesn't mean he's doing things Sanji would've done otherwise. Oda not giving Sanji more moments like those doesn't mean Law is taking them.
And again, how does Law being interested in the D and the void century somehow overshadow Robin?
There are a lot of characters who are interested in learning the secrets of the world but Robin is ultimately the only one who can put them together. Your reason for why Law somehow "overshadows" Robin is shit.
Fucking Momonosuke and Yamato are more of a danger to Robin's relevance than Law could ever hope to be.
I've already refuted all your shit reasons. If you can't reply to me with actual arguments and not just "you're coping" or "It's a story about the SHs" then i assume you're just trolling.
Law hasn't done harm to the story, if anything he's one the best characters post time skip.
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You said that laws ability to cut comes all from the devil fruit which i proved is not true. Law has a named sword and that requires mastery to swing. When you eat a devil fruit the properties of your body change. It is not as simple as one can turn it on or off like having a jinchuuriki. Take alvida for example. Her entire body composition changed. Law has to behave in a way that is most beneficiary to the ope ope no mi because it is his body. His swordsmanship feats are because he is a good swordsman and not only because of his devil fruit. Take for example someone who has a big amount of haki. Law could not easily cut them even if they were in a room. The same thing i would believe happens with mountains. If laws haki or df mastery is not good enough he could not cut it so consequently law is a good swordsman because mostly of his skill. Swinging a sword takes skill.
Law and chopper created the antidote in punk hazard. Law is a doctor. Chopper is a doctor. No matter how much you drag it out curing wvery disease means you are the best doctor. Law is obsessed with doctoring since he was little. His crew is full of doctors and law undermines chopper clearly.
It does undermine robin because the void century now becomes something every D clan member should learn. Constantly highlighting him makes no sense considering this story is about a pirate crew capturing the one piece and people realizing their dreams.
You have not refuted anything. You are in denial and trying to play with words most of the time with pathetic reasoning.
You have provided other filler characters whoharm the story like kinemon whose panel time has been a waste of time just like law takes from the overall story.
Again keep being in denialabout sanji being a tactician i have provided a lot of samples i am not going to post the entire mangahere for you.
Law and chopper created the antidote in punk hazard. Law is a doctor. Chopper is a doctor. No matter how much you drag it out curing wvery disease means you are the best doctor. Law is obsessed with doctoring since he was little. His crew is full of doctors and law undermines chopper clearly.
It does undermine robin because the void century now becomes something every D clan member should learn. Constantly highlighting him makes no sense considering this story is about a pirate crew capturing the one piece and people realizing their dreams.
You have not refuted anything. You are in denial and trying to play with words most of the time with pathetic reasoning.
You have provided other filler characters whoharm the story like kinemon whose panel time has been a waste of time just like law takes from the overall story.
Again keep being in denialabout sanji being a tactician i have provided a lot of samples i am not going to post the entire mangahere for you.
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You are still not addressing just how this all means that Law undermines or overshadows Zoro as a swordsman. I am not denying that law is a strong swordsman, i am simply stating that both of them being strong swordsmen doesn't mean Zoro is being undermined. They literally fought together on the rooftop and displayed very different abilities and fighting styles.
Law has never been in a straight up sword duel and has fought mainly using his devil fruit.
If you're so adamant about this, then provide me with an example of how Law undermined Zoro as a swordsman.
Again, both of them being doctors doesn't mean Chopper is being overshadowed. Chopper is still the one mainly receiving the focus as a doctor, creatying vaccines and treating patients. Law has been mainly highlighted as a fighter and as a member of the worst generation ever since the timeskip.
The only example of Law's crew taking over Chopper treating someone was when Luffy fell off Onigashima, a situation where Chopper wasn't even physically present. Similarly Mansherry took over as healer during Dressrosa, another arc where Chopper wasn't present.
Again, provide me an example of Law undermining Chopper as a doctor, just both of them being doctors is not enough.
Them working together to treat the children at Punk Hazard if anything shows that they're at the very least on equal footing, and you have to remember Law didn't even want to help the children in the first place, it was Chopper who did.
So other people can't take interest in it then? How is that a bad thing?
Law can't read the poneglyphs, he can't piece together anything by himself, he is literally incapable of undermining Robin.
4 moments in the whole series doesn't make him a tactician. Elaborate on what you mean by tactician then.
Again, provide me with an example of Law undermining Sanji as a tactician as you say, when the fuck has Law had anything close to Sanji's Mr. Prince moment or him opening the gates of justice?
Oda not giving Sanji more moments like these doesn't mean he's giving them to Law, prove me wrong.
And you're just speaking in hypotheticals without actually explaining in detail or providing examples of what you mean.
Your logic is literally "Law has things in common with members of the crew which means he's taking their spotlight" but that has never happened.
Law has never been in a straight up sword duel and has fought mainly using his devil fruit.
If you're so adamant about this, then provide me with an example of how Law undermined Zoro as a swordsman.
Again, both of them being doctors doesn't mean Chopper is being overshadowed. Chopper is still the one mainly receiving the focus as a doctor, creatying vaccines and treating patients. Law has been mainly highlighted as a fighter and as a member of the worst generation ever since the timeskip.
The only example of Law's crew taking over Chopper treating someone was when Luffy fell off Onigashima, a situation where Chopper wasn't even physically present. Similarly Mansherry took over as healer during Dressrosa, another arc where Chopper wasn't present.
Again, provide me an example of Law undermining Chopper as a doctor, just both of them being doctors is not enough.
Them working together to treat the children at Punk Hazard if anything shows that they're at the very least on equal footing, and you have to remember Law didn't even want to help the children in the first place, it was Chopper who did.
So other people can't take interest in it then? How is that a bad thing?
Law can't read the poneglyphs, he can't piece together anything by himself, he is literally incapable of undermining Robin.
4 moments in the whole series doesn't make him a tactician. Elaborate on what you mean by tactician then.
Again, provide me with an example of Law undermining Sanji as a tactician as you say, when the fuck has Law had anything close to Sanji's Mr. Prince moment or him opening the gates of justice?
Oda not giving Sanji more moments like these doesn't mean he's giving them to Law, prove me wrong.
And you're just speaking in hypotheticals without actually explaining in detail or providing examples of what you mean.
Your logic is literally "Law has things in common with members of the crew which means he's taking their spotlight" but that has never happened.
Because zoro is the representative of swordsmanship in the series. Another character throwing swordsmanship ideologies and beating stronger people than zoro beats makes zoro useless. Before oda flushed big mom down the toilet linlin was a swordsman that used elbaph giants swordsmanship. Zoro showed 0 interest in fighting or knowing 2 swordsmen not good considering he wants to become WSS. Misery is an insult to big mom. She should have been a swordswoman with adv coc fighting zoro but oda created a homie that he needed toys for.
Just say you do not care about chopper at this point.
Have you read how parhetic sanji was in wci and most of wano?
They can but he has been highlighted to the detriment of the main characters.
Bro you are draining my will to debate you. You are fun to debate but someone else has to tag in and take the stage. I have nothing more to prove about law you are just danxing around.
Just say you do not care about chopper at this point.
Have you read how parhetic sanji was in wci and most of wano?
They can but he has been highlighted to the detriment of the main characters.
Bro you are draining my will to debate you. You are fun to debate but someone else has to tag in and take the stage. I have nothing more to prove about law you are just danxing around.
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One Piece does not use the swordsmanship theme in a very 'traditional' way, you're right.
If you expect Zoro to be a chara straight out of Kenshin then you will be disappointed. But Zoro's character is still interestimg for me.
Don't be mad when a mangaka does not fulfil your expectations.
If you expect Zoro to be a chara straight out of Kenshin then you will be disappointed. But Zoro's character is still interestimg for me.
Don't be mad when a mangaka does not fulfil your expectations.
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