Character Discussion How Trafalgar D. Water Law has impacted the story negatively.
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So....that's KIIIIIIIIINDA false.....because they would help Momo and Kinemon on PH anyway, go to Dressrosa to find Kanjuro, then fight Doflamingo there, then go to Zou to find Raizo, then learn about the Mink stuff there, then go free Wano from Kaido.
The "Pirate Alliance" and "Samurai Rescue" are two independent plots that ended up leading to the same place, but take either one of them, and the "path to Kaido/Wano" would remain largely the same.
The "Pirate Alliance" and "Samurai Rescue" are two independent plots that ended up leading to the same place, but take either one of them, and the "path to Kaido/Wano" would remain largely the same.
i just realized the main anti law people are sanji fans 
This is logical. PreTS all the glories went to Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji. Nowadays, it spread to Law instead of Sanji, so it's normal for some peeps to dislike this change.
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Do you know the two terms, moving goalpost and reaching?
By your logic, guess who made the Straw Hats arrive near Punk Hazard?
Yeah, not Law.
The moment SH appears nearby and get that distress signal, they would reach Punk Hazard. With their savior persona, the children and Momo will be rescued, and this subplot sooner or later will link them to Kaido & Wano.
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In Punk Hazard, Luffy states that his goal is defeating the Yonko. Shanks being the last. So, in the long run, SH and Kaido will have subplot, even if they arrived in somewhere else beside PH. Again, with SH persona as savior, Wano will be saved either way, even if they don't have any connections.
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of course they would help them anywhere, but fact is a fact, Law put all of them into that condition (Stawhats, Kinemon, Dofflamingo, even Smoker).
you can sepculate the probability of another scenario, but this is a fact that Law has a major role in this war.
you can speculate any scenario all you want but the fact that Law involved to make this grand scenario that lead them to Wano and Kaido is inevitable.
you can sepculate the probability of another scenario, but this is a fact that Law has a major role in this war.
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you can speculate any scenario all you want but the fact that Law involved to make this grand scenario that lead them to Wano and Kaido is inevitable.
Yes, the fact that Law involved is true. However, what you posted earlier is "without Law,....." which is false. Law is not the initiator nor the sparks, he speed up the Kaido & Wano connection.
I actually understand what you're trying to convey. Law does affect the postTS plotline significantly. Without him, the SH would just freely hop into one island or another. With him, the SH has clearer goal and shorter timeline. So, Law does contribute to the narrative.
However, your post earlier stated that without Law, SH won't connect to Kaido/Wano, which is not true (my post above).
Law does not put them all together.
1. SH came for the distress signal
2. Smoker came for the SH
3. Doffy came for Caesar
4. Kinemon can be cut by Law, but the one who pieces him together is the SH.
Law is not the centerpiece. If Law calls the SH in #1, Smoker gets intrigued by Law & SH conversation in #2, and Doffy feels something off with Law in #3, then yeah, Law IS the centerpiece.
I actually understand what you're trying to convey. Law does affect the postTS plotline significantly. Without him, the SH would just freely hop into one island or another. With him, the SH has clearer goal and shorter timeline. So, Law does contribute to the narrative.
However, your post earlier stated that without Law, SH won't connect to Kaido/Wano, which is not true (my post above).
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Law does not put them all together.
1. SH came for the distress signal
2. Smoker came for the SH
3. Doffy came for Caesar
4. Kinemon can be cut by Law, but the one who pieces him together is the SH.
Law is not the centerpiece. If Law calls the SH in #1, Smoker gets intrigued by Law & SH conversation in #2, and Doffy feels something off with Law in #3, then yeah, Law IS the centerpiece.
its not false, what you stated is headcanon.
yes, Strawhats absolutely could find a way to reach Kaido without Law, but the truth that Oda gave us is happened went through Law, any other posibility is headcanon, since thats not happening. it doesnt mean he's the center, no, but he connect the puzzle to reach Kaido.
yes, Strawhats absolutely could find a way to reach Kaido without Law, but the truth that Oda gave us is happened went through Law, any other posibility is headcanon, since thats not happening. it doesnt mean he's the center, no, but he connect the puzzle to reach Kaido.
Alright then, which of my statements in that post is headcanon? If you want, I can provide chapter number & page number for those points.
If you're referring to the statement starting with "if Law calls...", of course that's headcanon. You stated that
"Law put all of them into that condition (Stawhats, Kinemon, Dofflamingo, even Smoker)."
And I'm giving you example, if Law put them all together, the scenarios I provided will happen. But those scenarios DIDN'T happen (you said it yourself that it's headcanon), which is WHY your statement above is false/means Law DID NOT bring them together.
1. Straw Hats Pirates arrived near Punk Hazard and gets a call by someone, NOT Law (Chapter 655 page 5). They go there because of the distress call.
2. Smoker steer himself and the ship to Punk Hazard because he intercept that call, NOT Law (Chapter 655 page 9). Smoker go there because he wants to get the Straw Hats, again, NOT Law.
These two points alone is already proving that your "Law put all of them..." as false.
Remember, our convo started with this statement:
Then I reply (simplified version) that the SH went to Punk Hazard NOT because of Law. The SH (Sanji) saving Kinemon & Nami saving the children happened WITHOUT Law's interference. With these alone, the Strawhats would have connection with Wano/Kaido.
After that, you didn't address my reply, but change the topic/goalpost instead
Of course Law is involved, he is the one proposing the alliance. This statement is correct, but your previous statement isn't.
If you're referring to the statement starting with "if Law calls...", of course that's headcanon. You stated that
"Law put all of them into that condition (Stawhats, Kinemon, Dofflamingo, even Smoker)."
And I'm giving you example, if Law put them all together, the scenarios I provided will happen. But those scenarios DIDN'T happen (you said it yourself that it's headcanon), which is WHY your statement above is false/means Law DID NOT bring them together.
1. Straw Hats Pirates arrived near Punk Hazard and gets a call by someone, NOT Law (Chapter 655 page 5). They go there because of the distress call.
2. Smoker steer himself and the ship to Punk Hazard because he intercept that call, NOT Law (Chapter 655 page 9). Smoker go there because he wants to get the Straw Hats, again, NOT Law.
These two points alone is already proving that your "Law put all of them..." as false.
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Remember, our convo started with this statement:
Then I reply (simplified version) that the SH went to Punk Hazard NOT because of Law. The SH (Sanji) saving Kinemon & Nami saving the children happened WITHOUT Law's interference. With these alone, the Strawhats would have connection with Wano/Kaido.
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After that, you didn't address my reply, but change the topic/goalpost instead
Of course Law is involved, he is the one proposing the alliance. This statement is correct, but your previous statement isn't.
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