Powers & Abilities How upset would you be if Mihawk didn’t have conquerors?
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What?
Mihawk want power and glory. He achieved both.
Since Mihawk achieved his goal to be a WSS he can just seat back, relax and wait for a worthy challenger.
Mihawk want power and glory. He achieved both.
Since Mihawk achieved his goal to be a WSS he can just seat back, relax and wait for a worthy challenger.
You can cut the genius part. He is indeed a hard worker.
But this doesn't change anything, Mihawk doesn't aspire to anything greater than himself.
Hence : No conqueror.
Let's be clear here:
Conqueror no Haki or whatever you wanna call it is granted to CONQUERORS.
Meaning people with a will strong enough to surpass others.
Conqueror is not about taking no shortcuts, its about dreaming BIG and having a will strong enough to fullfill that desire.
Now, does it mean Mihawk won't have the Conqueror, no. He could. But right now, the simple answer is to say, no. There is no data that could make us think that Mihawk will have it.
Conqueror no Haki or whatever you wanna call it is granted to CONQUERORS.
Meaning people with a will strong enough to surpass others.
Conqueror is not about taking no shortcuts, its about dreaming BIG and having a will strong enough to fullfill that desire.
Now, does it mean Mihawk won't have the Conqueror, no. He could. But right now, the simple answer is to say, no. There is no data that could make us think that Mihawk will have it.
No, maybe he did that for fun and not a strong desire. We just don't know. Conqueror Haki is not about what you did, its about what you ASPIRED to.
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In fact right now, one of the best candidate to have conqueror could be Koby. Or Usopp. Even if the second one would be kinda meta.
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In fact right now, one of the best candidate to have conqueror could be Koby. Or Usopp. Even if the second one would be kinda meta.
Not until it is drawn on the page. Right now, Mihawk having conqueror makes no real sence. Mihawk is a strong guy that worked hard to be at the top.. but does it make him a real conqueror ?
In front of character like Luffy / Zoro / Kid .. not really.
Yes, the guy is the strongest. But conqueror Haki is not about that. It's not that simple.
If Oda chooses to make him a conqueror, fine. We could imagine that Mihawk had some kind of "I want to be the best" story before becoming the best.
But it's not drawn on the page yet, and until then, there is no narrative purpose to give him conqueror.
That only proved that he faced strong opponent. He could very well fought out of fun.
In front of character like Luffy / Zoro / Kid .. not really.
Yes, the guy is the strongest. But conqueror Haki is not about that. It's not that simple.
If Oda chooses to make him a conqueror, fine. We could imagine that Mihawk had some kind of "I want to be the best" story before becoming the best.
But it's not drawn on the page yet, and until then, there is no narrative purpose to give him conqueror.
How about you read the information I post.
It says he trained and challenged strong swordsman until there was no more worthy challengers.
That proves he aspired to be the WSS. He achieved his goal by finding and beating strong swordsman until there was no one left to beat.
It says he trained and challenged strong swordsman until there was no more worthy challengers.
That proves he aspired to be the WSS. He achieved his goal by finding and beating strong swordsman until there was no one left to beat.
What did Whitebeard and Katakuri aspire for? To protect their family.
Mihawk aspired to be the strongest swordsman as a youngster and then ended up fulfilling his dream.
He is literally a narrative foil for Zoro - "Marine Hunter"/"Pirate Hunter".
The moment Mihawk was shown to be the Dream of Zoro - he was 100% confirmed a Conqueror.
Mihawk aspired to be the strongest swordsman as a youngster and then ended up fulfilling his dream.
He is literally a narrative foil for Zoro - "Marine Hunter"/"Pirate Hunter".
The moment Mihawk was shown to be the Dream of Zoro - he was 100% confirmed a Conqueror.
I think you don't understand what I'm saying.
I'm not saying that Mihawk won't get the conqueror haki. I'm saying that there is no narrative purpose right now to give him.
Oda can decide just like Katakuri and Rayleigh to give Mihawk the conqueror for no "conqueroresque" reasons. But right now, there is no reason to think that Mihawk will have it. Simply because Conqueror was establish to be granted by a set of parameters. The main one being that one need to have the will of an aspiring King/Queen. Meaning, a conqueror.
Note: There is a narrative reasons to give conqueror to both rayleigh and Katakuri.
- For Rayleigh it was to settle the real apparition of Haki and to make a narrative stance about the power of the second of the pirate King
- For Katakuri it was to put Katakuri on Luffy's level as an equal (everything in Katakuri mirrors Luffy narratively)
Once Oda put the conqueror haki on the page, we can use our imagination to find a reason for the presence of that haki. But right now.
Mihawk doesn't have conqueror and do not need to have it.
I'm not saying that Mihawk won't get the conqueror haki. I'm saying that there is no narrative purpose right now to give him.
Oda can decide just like Katakuri and Rayleigh to give Mihawk the conqueror for no "conqueroresque" reasons. But right now, there is no reason to think that Mihawk will have it. Simply because Conqueror was establish to be granted by a set of parameters. The main one being that one need to have the will of an aspiring King/Queen. Meaning, a conqueror.
Note: There is a narrative reasons to give conqueror to both rayleigh and Katakuri.
- For Rayleigh it was to settle the real apparition of Haki and to make a narrative stance about the power of the second of the pirate King
- For Katakuri it was to put Katakuri on Luffy's level as an equal (everything in Katakuri mirrors Luffy narratively)
Once Oda put the conqueror haki on the page, we can use our imagination to find a reason for the presence of that haki. But right now.
Mihawk doesn't have conqueror and do not need to have it.
This is the entire point. You think he'd do it for one of Zoro's narrative foils (King of Hell/Dark King) but not for the other, main one which is more important to his promise to Luffy and Kuina & his own character.
There is no "Mihawk needs character traits x,y,z, to be a Conqueror", it is more like "Mihawk being the title holder already implies he is cut from the same cloth as Zoro, hence a Conqueror".
You say that Oda gave CoC to Kata to emphasize that he was truly equal to Luffy, but you don't think he will do the same for Zoro vs Mihawk.
The moment Oda made a character say that Pirate King is a Kingly Ambition through Chinjao, Roger was 100% a CoC user.
The moment Oda made King & Zoro talk about WSS as a Kingly Ambition, Mihawk is 100% a CoC user.
There is no "Mihawk needs character traits x,y,z, to be a Conqueror", it is more like "Mihawk being the title holder already implies he is cut from the same cloth as Zoro, hence a Conqueror".
You say that Oda gave CoC to Kata to emphasize that he was truly equal to Luffy, but you don't think he will do the same for Zoro vs Mihawk.
The moment Oda made a character say that Pirate King is a Kingly Ambition through Chinjao, Roger was 100% a CoC user.
The moment Oda made King & Zoro talk about WSS as a Kingly Ambition, Mihawk is 100% a CoC user.
The thing is, we just don't know what pushed Mihawk. Until we do, there is not data to emphasize the possibility of conqueror.
That's an actual possibility yes. But in this case, the goal post is moved.
Now the conversation is interesting. The question is, will Oda put the Katakuri treatment over Mihawk and therefore give him conqueror?
My answer is no. Simply because there is no narrative needs to put both on narrative equal footing. Mihawk is supposed to be BEYOND STRONG. Meaning that the fact that he can do it all without conqueror is a narrative threat in it self.
Second point: We don't know if Oda is planning to make Mihawk and Zoro face off again. Oda could very well make a swordman defeat mihawk and make Zoro fight him. It would be as interesting and narratively, it would put ZOro not only above mihawk but above the other threat as well.
That's an actual possibility yes. But in this case, the goal post is moved.
Now the conversation is interesting. The question is, will Oda put the Katakuri treatment over Mihawk and therefore give him conqueror?
My answer is no. Simply because there is no narrative needs to put both on narrative equal footing. Mihawk is supposed to be BEYOND STRONG. Meaning that the fact that he can do it all without conqueror is a narrative threat in it self.
Second point: We don't know if Oda is planning to make Mihawk and Zoro face off again. Oda could very well make a swordman defeat mihawk and make Zoro fight him. It would be as interesting and narratively, it would put ZOro not only above mihawk but above the other threat as well.