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Mihawk not having conquerors as wss…


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How about you read the information I post.

It says he trained and challenged strong swordsman until there was no more worthy challengers.


That proves he aspired to be the WSS. He achieved his goal by finding and beating strong swordsman until there was no one left to beat.
What are the odds u think that Mihawk actually challenged people that are non swordsmen ? Like currently he has no interest in any yonko just wants to wait for zoro, and zoros path isn’t one of just all swordsmen.
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The thing is, we just don't know what pushed Mihawk. Until we do, there is not data to emphasize the possibility of conqueror.


That's an actual possibility yes. But in this case, the goal post is moved.

Now the conversation is interesting. The question is, will Oda put the Katakuri treatment over Mihawk and therefore give him conqueror?

My answer is no. Simply because there is no narrative needs to put both on narrative equal footing. Mihawk is supposed to be BEYOND STRONG. Meaning that the fact that he can do it all without conqueror is a narrative threat in it self.

Second point: We don't know if Oda is planning to make Mihawk and Zoro face off again. Oda could very well make a swordman defeat mihawk and make Zoro fight him. It would be as interesting and narratively, it would put ZOro not only above mihawk but above the other threat as well.
Second point is ridiculous so oda will just trash a straw hats dream right ???
 
The subordinate thing is completely irrelevant when we have characters like zoro, Rayleigh, Katakuri, Chinjao, oden, sengoku, Garp, and koby with it despite being subordinates. Some of them being subordinates for most their lives. The admirals are the top of the marines downplaying them as mere subordinates not fit to get conquerors makes no sense

Koby getting it to achieve his dream already makes it a kingly ambition
Same with whitebeard getting it for his goal of making and protecting his family automatically makes it a kingly ambitioun.

  1. You don’t need to achieve your goal or else ace or Chinjao wouldn’t have it. Downplaying how ambitious crocodile and Moria are means nothing
  2. Koby getting it to achieve his dream automatically makes it the ambition of a king/conqueror
  3. King 100% wants to live up to kaido’s expectations. Also you do realize you don’t have to be a literal king to have conquerors right?
  4. Judge was ambitious and that’s all that you need to know
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The ambitions of conquerors aka kings are kingly ambitions…
Another name for conquerors haki is literally king’s haki. You can’t just downplay every other conqueror in the series by saying only wanting to be pirate king or wss are kingly ambitious.
Having kingly ambition is something they all automatically have by sheer fact they all have kings haki. And if any of them were asked that same question they’d be able to answer it in their own way

And again mihawk having it because zoro does mean as much as saying the admirals have it because koby
The fact that Admirals are subordinates I wasn't trying to argue for their lack of CoC I just wanted to compare Coby and Zoro's dreams in the context of how reasonable it would be to compare them when we're talking about Mihawk's CoC.
No just because Coby dreams of becoming an Admiral does not make it a Kingly Ambition. Same goes for WB's desire to have and protect a family. I don't see the point of it and it was never mentioned in the Manga.

1. Yes but I didn't say that for CoC you have to necessarily fulfil your dream I just pointed it out to clarify the difference between them and Mihawk.
2. No.
3. just because King wants to fulfil Kaido's expectations doesn't give him Kingly Ambition and has nothing to do with Mihawk.
The King and Zoro are similar in that they both
want to help fulfil the dreams of their Captains, except Zoro also has his own dream of becoming WSS which has been confirmed to be Kingly, which is funny.
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4. Ok

I didn't say that only WSS and PK are Kingly Ambitions.
I said that only PK and WSS were mentioned as Kingly Ambitions in the context of CoC.
I.e., I see this as a direct implication from the author that to become a PK or WSS you need to possess CoC. That's why I point to Zoro and say that the biggest and most important enhancement he got after timeskip was CoC.
Zoro and Mihawk are not the same character but can we stop pretending they are not related lol.
If you don't like the wording 100% then I can say 99% but I don't see the point of allowing the possibility of no CoC for Mihawk given what we have now.



Once again to clarify, I don't think you need a certain Ambition or any Ambition at all to have CoC.
Mihawk having a CoC is common sense given his WSS title and the way Zoro is approaching becoming one.
 
What are the odds u think that Mihawk actually challenged people that are non swordsmen ? Like currently he has no interest in any yonko just wants to wait for zoro, and zoros path isn’t one of just all swordsmen.
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Second point is ridiculous so oda will just trash a straw hats dream right ???
Just out of curiosity, what dream do you think Zoro has ?
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Once again to clarify, I don't think you need a certain Ambition or any Ambition at all to have CoC.
Without that, the power makes no sence.
 
Not until it is drawn on the page. Right now, Mihawk having conqueror makes no real sence. Mihawk is a strong guy that worked hard to be at the top.. but does it make him a real conqueror ?

In front of character like Luffy / Zoro / Kid .. not really.

Yes, the guy is the strongest. But conqueror Haki is not about that. It's not that simple.

If Oda chooses to make him a conqueror, fine. We could imagine that Mihawk had some kind of "I want to be the best" story before becoming the best.

But it's not drawn on the page yet, and until then, there is no narrative purpose to give him conqueror.



That only proved that he faced strong opponent. He could very well fought out of fun.
The cope is strong with you.

You're telling me a person who aspired to be the best didn't aspired to be anything.

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The cope is strong with you.

You're telling me a person who aspired to be the best didn't aspired to be anything.

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I have literally zero interest in this agenda haha. I don't care if Mihawk gets Conqueror or not. I jumped into the first thread that seemed fun out of boreness lol

You can become the best without aspiring to be the best. Right now we just don't know for Mihawk.
 
Just out of curiosity, what dream do you think Zoro has ?
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Without that, the power makes no sence.
2 dreams

1. Become wss which can only be accomplished by defeating the wss a promise he made to his captain right in front of him , but ur willing to say it won’t happen for some odd reason???

2. For his name to reach the heavens. To be determined what this feat man consist of but it should happen after wss
 
2 dreams

1. Become wss which can only be accomplished by defeating the wss a promise he made to his captain right in front of him , but ur willing to say it won’t happen for some odd reason???

2. For his name to reach the heavens. To be determined what this feat man consist of but it should happen after wss
There is no 2 dreams. Its one big dream. To become the greatest swordsman for his name to reach Kuina.

Meaning that defeating Mihawk is not Zoro's dream. Mihawk is just the vessel. Zoro needs to surpass Mihawk and he will do just that.
 
I have literally zero interest in this agenda haha. I don't care if Mihawk gets Conqueror or not. I jumped into the first thread that seemed fun out of boreness lol

You can become the best without aspiring to be the best. Right now we just don't know for Mihawk.
Nope, that's just your agenda.

Mihawk aspired to be the strongest swordsman. Get over it.
 
Nope, that's just your agenda.

Mihawk aspired to be the strongest swordsman. Get over it.
Told you. I have literally 0 agenda here beside the side of the narration lmao. I couldn't care less about Mihawk's power or shiny eyes.

BTW Now mihawks fan should really change discussion. The new topic should be his eyes. Looking at the live action trailer that dropped an hour ago, Oda didn't asked for them to be that way for nothing.
 
Told you. I have literally 0 agenda here beside the side of the narration lmao. I couldn't care less about Mihawk's power or shiny eyes.

BTW Now mihawks fan should really change discussion. The new topic should be his eyes. Looking at the live action trailer that dropped an hour ago, Oda didn't asked for them to be that way for nothing.
Too bad I'm talking about Mihawk aspiring to be the WSS, not his power. You continue to ignore it because it goes against your agenda.
 
Before it' were my expectations but now Oda distributing it to characters that don't seem CoC type. It'd be horrendous writing for Mihawk to not have CoC when Zoro does.

But then again Oda's writing has been beyond bad in New World, aside from few chapters.
 
Mihawk have CoC because Zoro does make sense when Zoro wants to be the King of swordsman. A title Mihawk obtained by facing stronger and stronger swordsman until there was no longer any one strong enough to challenge.
That same logic can apply to Koby wanting to become an admiral aka the strongest marines alive
The fact that Admirals are subordinates I wasn't trying to argue for their lack of CoC I just wanted to compare Coby and Zoro's dreams in the context of how reasonable it would be to compare them when we're talking about Mihawk's CoC.
No just because Coby dreams of becoming an Admiral does not make it a Kingly Ambition. Same goes for WB's desire to have and protect a family. I don't see the point of it and it was never mentioned in the Manga.

1. Yes but I didn't say that for CoC you have to necessarily fulfil your dream I just pointed it out to clarify the difference between them and Mihawk.
2. No.
3. just because King wants to fulfil Kaido's expectations doesn't give him Kingly Ambition and has nothing to do with Mihawk.
The King and Zoro are similar in that they both
want to help fulfil the dreams of their Captains, except Zoro also has his own dream of becoming WSS which has been confirmed to be Kingly, which is funny.
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4. Ok

I didn't say that only WSS and PK are Kingly Ambitions.
I said that only PK and WSS were mentioned as Kingly Ambitions in the context of CoC.
I.e., I see this as a direct implication from the author that to become a PK or WSS you need to possess CoC. That's why I point to Zoro and say that the biggest and most important enhancement he got after timeskip was CoC.
Zoro and Mihawk are not the same character but can we stop pretending they are not related lol.
If you don't like the wording 100% then I can say 99% but I don't see the point of allowing the possibility of no CoC for Mihawk given what we have now.



Once again to clarify, I don't think you need a certain Ambition or any Ambition at all to have CoC.
Mihawk having a CoC is common sense given his WSS title and the way Zoro is approaching becoming one.
Them being subordinates is a meaningless statement when we’re talking about conquerors and we’ve seen other subordinates with conquerors

Yes any ambition of a king makes it a kings ambition by default. It was mentioned in the manga. They have kings haki + they have ambitions = their ambitions are that of kings


King did ask zoro if he intended to be king because he wanted to become the wss he asked purely on the fact he had kings haki. Diminishing other conquerors and their ambitions makes no sense

At the end of the day none of the rules of conquerors you’re saying mihawk falls under in order to have it matter when none of them are rules. Whether it’s strength, a grand ambition, or fufilling your goal because we’ve seen more than enough conquerors not fit those “rules of conquerors”.
  1. We’ve seen characters like Chinjao or Yamato fit just about none of the “requirements” but still have it
  2. We’ve seen characters that fit all of them despite seemingly not having it like some of the admirals
  3. We’ve seen characters just as deserving of it as other characters like pretty much all the warlords yet not have it
Rules as to why character a or b should have it don’t mean much when there aren’t rules

Again the same reason mihawk should have it is pretty much the same reason you can argue the admirals should have it as well
 

Jiihad

Survivors Guilt
It’s a win win for swordbros, either he has it and at this point in tha series. He’s gonna have ACoC it he doesn’t have it and he’s legitimately that strong without CoC or a DF……
 
Never considered it a possibility. The only thing I'd be mad about if it happened is no sky-split
But the chance of me winning loterry is higher than the possibility of Mihawk having no COC so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
The subordinate thing is completely irrelevant when we have characters like zoro, Rayleigh, Katakuri, Chinjao, oden, sengoku, Garp, and koby with it despite being subordinates. Some of them being subordinates for most their lives. The admirals are the top of the marines downplaying them as mere subordinates not fit to get conquerors makes no sense

Koby getting it to achieve his dream already makes it a kingly ambition
Same with whitebeard getting it for his goal of making and protecting his family automatically makes it a kingly ambitioun.

  1. You don’t need to achieve your goal or else ace or Chinjao wouldn’t have it. Downplaying how ambitious crocodile and Moria are means nothing
  2. Koby getting it to achieve his dream automatically makes it the ambition of a king/conqueror
  3. King 100% wants to live up to kaido’s expectations. Also you do realize you don’t have to be a literal king to have conquerors right?
  4. Judge was ambitious and that’s all that you need to know
?
The ambitions of conquerors aka kings are kingly ambitions…
Another name for conquerors haki is literally king’s haki. You can’t just downplay every other conqueror in the series by saying only wanting to be pirate king or wss are kingly ambitious.
Having kingly ambition is something they all automatically have by sheer fact they all have kings haki. And if any of them were asked that same question they’d be able to answer it in their own way

And again mihawk having it because zoro does mean as much as saying the admirals have it because koby
They think Kingdly ambition is just about battles lol

Kingly ambition is all about how far/much you wanna achieve something.
Only a few are born with CoC.
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Stronger and more skilled than Shanks but has no Conq Haki...
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Post the scan that says Mihawk is stronger than Shanks
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It’s a win win for swordbros, either he has it and at this point in tha series. He’s gonna have ACoC it he doesn’t have it and he’s legitimately that strong without CoC or a DF……
It won't be win win
You'll be here coping more than being happy


That same logic can apply to Koby wanting to become an admiral aka the strongest marines alive

Them being subordinates is a meaningless statement when we’re talking about conquerors and we’ve seen other subordinates with conquerors

Yes any ambition of a king makes it a kings ambition by default. It was mentioned in the manga. They have kings haki + they have ambitions = their ambitions are that of kings


King did ask zoro if he intended to be king because he wanted to become the wss he asked purely on the fact he had kings haki. Diminishing other conquerors and their ambitions makes no sense

At the end of the day none of the rules of conquerors you’re saying mihawk falls under in order to have it matter when none of them are rules. Whether it’s strength, a grand ambition, or fufilling your goal because we’ve seen more than enough conquerors not fit those “rules of conquerors”.
  1. We’ve seen characters like Chinjao or Yamato fit just about none of the “requirements” but still have it
  2. We’ve seen characters that fit all of them despite seemingly not having it like some of the admirals
  3. We’ve seen characters just as deserving of it as other characters like pretty much all the warlords yet not have it
Rules as to why character a or b should have it don’t mean much when there aren’t rules

Again the same reason mihawk should have it is pretty much the same reason you can argue the admirals should have it as well
Any dream of a conqueror is kingly ambition

Doesn't matter if he just wanna chill like Rayleigh or have a family like WB
Those dreams become Kingly because they have CoC

They can't seem to understand this
 

Jiihad

Survivors Guilt
It won't be win win
You'll be here coping more than being happy
So which is it? Mihawk has Kings Haki/ACoC or he’s a legitimate Top Tier with only his sword skill and no DF and no Kings Haki….

Keep in mind we know he has Armament Haki and observation Haki and until Shanks shows us sum else. He’s stronger than Shanks, so which is it
 
That same logic can apply to Koby wanting to become an admiral aka the strongest marines alive

Them being subordinates is a meaningless statement when we’re talking about conquerors and we’ve seen other subordinates with conquerors

Yes any ambition of a king makes it a kings ambition by default. It was mentioned in the manga. They have kings haki + they have ambitions = their ambitions are that of kings


King did ask zoro if he intended to be king because he wanted to become the wss he asked purely on the fact he had kings haki. Diminishing other conquerors and their ambitions makes no sense

At the end of the day none of the rules of conquerors you’re saying mihawk falls under in order to have it matter when none of them are rules. Whether it’s strength, a grand ambition, or fufilling your goal because we’ve seen more than enough conquerors not fit those “rules of conquerors”.
  1. We’ve seen characters like Chinjao or Yamato fit just about none of the “requirements” but still have it
  2. We’ve seen characters that fit all of them despite seemingly not having it like some of the admirals
  3. We’ve seen characters just as deserving of it as other characters like pretty much all the warlords yet not have it
Rules as to why character a or b should have it don’t mean much when there aren’t rules

Again the same reason mihawk should have it is pretty much the same reason you can argue the admirals should have it as well
Zoro and Coby have CoC.
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They think Kingdly ambition is just about battles lol

Kingly ambition is all about how far/much you wanna achieve something.
Only a few are born with CoC.
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Post the scan that says Mihawk is stronger than Shanks
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It won't be win win
You'll be here coping more than being happy



Any dream of a conqueror is kingly ambition

Doesn't matter if he just wanna chill like Rayleigh or have a family like WB
Those dreams become Kingly because they have CoC

They can't seem to understand this
Here it is.

It says Mihawk is the WSS, not Shanks. That means he stronger.




 
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