General & Others How will you react when Oda makes it clear that EoS Judge's son can't surpass Alabasta Zoro's CoA?
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We are talking about cutting steel here. You don't need advanced Haki to do that. You need advanced Haki to cut Kaido.... 
here i will hold your hand through this try your best to keep up and understand this basic shit
THIS IS WHAT LUFFY WANTS TO LEARN TO HURT KAIDO
THIS IS LUFFYS REACTION TO WHAT HYOGORO SHOWS HIM
HE WANTS TO LEARN WHATEVER HYOUGORO JUST SHOWED HIM TO HURT KAIDO
HYOUGORO SHOWS LUFFY THE STEEL CUTTING TECHNIQUE WITHOUT A SWORD
AND AS SEEN ABOVE THATS WHAT LUFFY WANTS TO LEARN TO HURT KAIDO
SO YES STEEL CUTTING TECHNIQUE HURTS KAIDO
so you were wrong in what you said to @Topi Jerami
why quote me when you keep giving me responses like this
here i will hold your hand through this try your best to keep up and understand this basic shit
THIS IS WHAT LUFFY WANTS TO LEARN TO HURT KAIDO
THIS IS LUFFYS REACTION TO WHAT HYOGORO SHOWS HIM
HE WANTS TO LEARN WHATEVER HYOUGORO JUST SHOWED HIM TO HURT KAIDO
HYOUGORO SHOWS LUFFY THE STEEL CUTTING TECHNIQUE WITHOUT A SWORD
AND AS SEEN ABOVE THATS WHAT LUFFY WANTS TO LEARN TO HURT KAIDO
SO YES STEEL CUTTING TECHNIQUE HURTS KAIDO
so you were wrong in what you said to @Topi Jerami
here i will hold your hand through this try your best to keep up and understand this basic shit
THIS IS WHAT LUFFY WANTS TO LEARN TO HURT KAIDO
THIS IS LUFFYS REACTION TO WHAT HYOGORO SHOWS HIM
HE WANTS TO LEARN WHATEVER HYOUGORO JUST SHOWED HIM TO HURT KAIDO
HYOUGORO SHOWS LUFFY THE STEEL CUTTING TECHNIQUE WITHOUT A SWORD
AND AS SEEN ABOVE THATS WHAT LUFFY WANTS TO LEARN TO HURT KAIDO
SO YES STEEL CUTTING TECHNIQUE HURTS KAIDO
so you were wrong in what you said to @Topi Jerami
Ryou/Haki = The concept of flowing your Haki into your Sword. Luffy was not trying to flow his Haki into anything, he was trying to make it EXPLODE out of his fist. Cutting attacks and Blunt force attacks are two different things.
Even Zoro was shocked when Luffy damaged Kaido with a punch. That's not something someone with Advanced Haki since freaking Alabasta would be mind blown over....
holy shit youre stupid af
HE LITERALLY SAYS HES SHOWING LUFFY WHAT HE JUST EXPLAINED
WHAT HYOU DOES ON THE GIFTER NEXT IS EXACTLY WHAT HES TELLING LUFFY IN THIS PANEL DONE WITHOUT A SWORD
THIS HAKI BY LUFFYS OWN FUCKING WORDS IS WHAT HE WANTED TO HURT KAIDO
THIS IS THE EXPLODING HAKI LUFFY WANTED TO BREAK KAIDOS SCALES NOT BYPASS BREAK
THIS HAKI USED BY ODEN SCABBARDS ZORO HYOU
BREAKS THROUGH THE SCALES NOT BYPASSES THEM
LUFFY CAN ALSO USE THE INTERNAL THAT BYPASSES THE SCALES AND HURTS HIM FROM THE INSIDE
BUT YOU DO NOT NEED THAT TO HURT KAIDO
HE LITERALLY SAYS HES SHOWING LUFFY WHAT HE JUST EXPLAINED
WHAT HYOU DOES ON THE GIFTER NEXT IS EXACTLY WHAT HES TELLING LUFFY IN THIS PANEL DONE WITHOUT A SWORD
THIS HAKI BY LUFFYS OWN FUCKING WORDS IS WHAT HE WANTED TO HURT KAIDO
THIS IS THE EXPLODING HAKI LUFFY WANTED TO BREAK KAIDOS SCALES NOT BYPASS BREAK
THIS HAKI USED BY ODEN SCABBARDS ZORO HYOU
BREAKS THROUGH THE SCALES NOT BYPASSES THEM
LUFFY CAN ALSO USE THE INTERNAL THAT BYPASSES THE SCALES AND HURTS HIM FROM THE INSIDE
BUT YOU DO NOT NEED THAT TO HURT KAIDO
holy shit youre stupid af
HE LITERALLY SAYS HES SHOWING LUFFY WHAT HE JUST EXPLAINED
WHAT HYOU DOES ON THE GIFTER NEXT IS EXACTLY WHAT HES TELLING LUFFY IN THIS PANEL DONE WITHOUT A SWORD
THIS HAKI BY LUFFYS OWN FUCKING WORDS IS WHAT HE WANTED TO HURT KAIDO
THIS IS THE EXPLODING HAKI LUFFY WANTED TO BREAK KAIDOS SCALES NOT BYPASS BREAK
THIS HAKI USED BY ODEN SCABBARDS ZORO HYOU
BREAKS THROUGH THE SCALES NOT BYPASSES THEM
LUFFY CAN ALSO USE THE INTERNAL THAT BYPASSES THE SCALES AND HURTS HIM FROM THE INSIDE
BUT YOU DO NOT NEED THAT TO HURT KAIDO
HE LITERALLY SAYS HES SHOWING LUFFY WHAT HE JUST EXPLAINED
WHAT HYOU DOES ON THE GIFTER NEXT IS EXACTLY WHAT HES TELLING LUFFY IN THIS PANEL DONE WITHOUT A SWORD
THIS HAKI BY LUFFYS OWN FUCKING WORDS IS WHAT HE WANTED TO HURT KAIDO
THIS IS THE EXPLODING HAKI LUFFY WANTED TO BREAK KAIDOS SCALES NOT BYPASS BREAK
THIS HAKI USED BY ODEN SCABBARDS ZORO HYOU
BREAKS THROUGH THE SCALES NOT BYPASSES THEM
LUFFY CAN ALSO USE THE INTERNAL THAT BYPASSES THE SCALES AND HURTS HIM FROM THE INSIDE
BUT YOU DO NOT NEED THAT TO HURT KAIDO
Lmao, no, because your making arguments against nothing that I am saying.... Nowhere did I state nor imply you need Internal Destruction to damage Kaido....
Invisible Coating
Exploding Barrier Haki
Internal Destruction
^ The three levels of invisible Haki. I literally said the second one is Advanced, and needed to damage Kaido. It is not the same thing needed to cut steel.
All Hyogoro is explaining is that the concept of Ryou and the concept of Haki are the same exact thing, and Ryou (Haki) is the concept behind cutting steel. He's not saying you need fucking Advanced Haki to cut steel.
Invisible Coating
Exploding Barrier Haki
Internal Destruction
^ The three levels of invisible Haki. I literally said the second one is Advanced, and needed to damage Kaido. It is not the same thing needed to cut steel.
All Hyogoro is explaining is that the concept of Ryou and the concept of Haki are the same exact thing, and Ryou (Haki) is the concept behind cutting steel. He's not saying you need fucking Advanced Haki to cut steel.
lmfao no
exploding barrier haki
is just flowing the haki into a weapon without holding a weapon
wait wait wait
are you tryna say to me hyou just gave a big explanation on ryou
then did something completely irrelevant to what hes talking about ?
surely youre not that dumb ?
what haki is kinemon using here genius ?
i dont see no exploding haki like this
exploding barrier haki
is just flowing the haki into a weapon without holding a weapon
wait wait wait
are you tryna say to me hyou just gave a big explanation on ryou
then did something completely irrelevant to what hes talking about ?
surely youre not that dumb ?
what haki is kinemon using here genius ?
i dont see no exploding haki like this
No it isn't.... Hyogoro realized what Luffy was trying to do with Exploding Barrier Haki, and went on to explain the concept of Ryou, which is the exact same thing as Haki.... He wasn't saying "Ryou is Advanced Haki."
You're completely ignoring, in your own panels that you are posting, of Hyogoro realizing that Haki and Ryou are the same exact thing.
You're completely ignoring, in your own panels that you are posting, of Hyogoro realizing that Haki and Ryou are the same exact thing.
No it isn't.... Hyogoro realized what Luffy was trying to do with Exploding Barrier Haki, and went on to explain the concept of Ryou, which is the exact same thing as Haki.... He wasn't saying "Ryou is Advanced Haki."
You're completely ignoring, in your own panels that you are posting, of Hyogoro realizing that Haki and Ryou are the same exact thing.
You're completely ignoring, in your own panels that you are posting, of Hyogoro realizing that Haki and Ryou are the same exact thing.
he talks about it first
and says he was known for using it in the past but he doesnt know if he can teach it properly
but take a look for yourself
so hes showing luffy what he was just talking about
and what he is technique used to cut steel or nothing HE USUALLY USES WITH A SWORD
he does it WITHOUT A SWORD
and thats what luffy wanted to know TO HURT KAIDO
Imagine thinking Zoro's breath of things was conceived as advanced CoA back in Arabasta and using it in a childish attempt to attack a cartoon character that matters so much to you that you call him "Judge's son". Get some damn culture or brain, whatever you lack.
If something is retconned then how can it first appear when it wasn't conceived nor introduced as such.
Just a thought: if "haki" is a foreign concept, then what's Wano's concept for basic armament?
Barrier haki appears in Alabasta, BOAT was retconned into being barrier haki the same way Mantra was retconned into being CoO
Just a thought: if "haki" is a foreign concept, then what's Wano's concept for basic armament?
Kawamatsu himself is stated to be the strongest sumo wrestler in Wano, and while they didn't get much focus, there are other fighters apart from swordsmen (and even samurai aren't just swordsmen as stated by Sheepshead, if I recall correctly). So it is very unlikely that they lack a name for such concept, and odds are "ryuo" is indeed the generic name for "haki" (while this doesn't mean that the ryuo Hyogoro was teaching Luffy wasn't advanced or something like that, of course).
The thing is that Kawamatsu is explicitly both a samurai and a sumo wrestler (no swords there), and he isn't the only sumo wrestler in Wano, so what are the chances that in a thousand years of history (minimum) no brawler has ever applied armament haki to their close combat fighting instead of swordsmanship? Doesn't it sound very unlikely?
Luffy enters the chat.
Borsalino's opponent is Zoro not Sanji.
Borsalino has literally only ever used his kicks to troll relative fodder.
But that wasn't a technique specifically for cutting steel? It was a technique for cutting through whatever object their wielder wishes:
Zoro applied it to cut through steel (hearing the breath of Daz Bones' steel):
Borsalino's opponent is Zoro not Sanji.
- Borsalino used a sword in his only serious fight against another top tier
- He has a named techniques for creating said sword "Ame no Murakamo".
- Said sword is one of Japan's sacred imperial regalia
- He's repeatedly been paired in battle against the second strongest fighters of a crew
- With Rayleigh at Sabaody Archipelago
- With Marco at Marineford
- With Benn Beckman at Marineford
- Borsalino has unresolved conflict with Zoro
- He easily defeated him at Sabaody Archipelago
- He commented that Zoro must have already been weakened to go down so quickly
Borsalino has literally only ever used his kicks to troll relative fodder.
We are talking about cutting steel here. You don't need advanced Haki to do that. You need advanced Haki to cut Kaido....
Zoro applied it to cut through steel (hearing the breath of Daz Bones' steel):
Luffy enters the chat.
Borsalino's opponent is Zoro not Sanji.
Borsalino has literally only ever used his kicks to troll relative fodder.
But that wasn't a technique specifically for cutting steel? It was a technique for cutting through whatever object their wielder wishes:
Zoro applied it to cut through steel (hearing the breath of Daz Bones' steel):
Borsalino's opponent is Zoro not Sanji.
- Borsalino used a sword in his only serious fight against another top tier
- He has a named techniques for creating said sword "Ame no Murakamo".
- Said sword is one of Japan's sacred imperial regalia
- He's repeatedly been paired in battle against the second strongest fighters of a crew
- With Rayleigh at Sabaody Archipelago
- With Marco at Marineford
- With Benn Beckman at Marineford
- Borsalino has unresolved conflict with Zoro
- He easily defeated him at Sabaody Archipelago
- He commented that Zoro must have already been weakened to go down so quickly
Borsalino has literally only ever used his kicks to troll relative fodder.
But that wasn't a technique specifically for cutting steel? It was a technique for cutting through whatever object their wielder wishes:
Zoro applied it to cut through steel (hearing the breath of Daz Bones' steel):
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