Future Events How would you feel if Oda makes the threat real?

[nik87]

Luffy needs to solo Kaido and win.

But we are long past the point of this being a solo fight.
Just because he is fighting alone at the end, it doesnt change the fact that 14 other people have helped him with it.
Even if he wins now, nobody will say that Kaido's 1vs1 has been debunked.
And I doubt Oda would drop that line with Kaido's victory cry for nothing.
The only question is if Kaido beats him again, would Luffy come back at all or not...

 

[Gorosei Informer]

But we are long past the point of this being a solo fight.
Just because he is fighting alone at the end, it doesnt change the fact that 14 other people have helped him with it.
Even if he wins now, nobody will say that Kaido's 1vs1 has been debunked.
And I doubt Oda would drop that line with Kaido's victory cry for nothing.
The only question is if Kaido beats him again, would Luffy come back at all or not...

I meant currently. But yeah as you said, Kaido has taken on a lot of people now ofc so it wouldn't be a pure solo win either. They "nerfed" him by fighting him too.

Yeah I suppose so, maybe Oda will save Shanks or Blackbeard for Luffy to truly solo instead?

We were told the ending of Wano would be shocking, maybe Wano will be like Sabaody and have Kaido win and the overall raid does end in failure?

Luffy still has an awakening to get and he hasn't been using Gear 4th vs Kaido now I think, so I still have hope. I'm not sure what else could happen unless more people get involved to help Luffy vs Kaido or we get an intervention from an outside party coming in?

Kaido seemed to be scared of and dodge the fire from Luffy's fire moves during the rooftop fight too, Roc or so I think? Raizo hurt Kaido by using his own flames vs him so it would be cool if Luffy's fire is key to beating Kaido. Luffy was compared to a fire deity/god by Hyogoro or some other samurai whilst in Gear 4th too?

I really don't want to see Luffy lose again but that victory cry line has me massively worried. There's also a vain hope of Gear 5th but what could that even be especially without awakening involved?

 

[stairs-kun]

I have seen many complaints about Oda's writing lately - this bad, that bad, everything is bad!

People have always complained about One Piece. It happened in Fishman Island, it happened in Punk Hazard, same happened in Dresrossa as well as it occured in WCI... Now, considering that Wano is in its 4th year, whether things are good or bad, people just want to be over with it. People want a new kid on the block!

The complaints are usually not really justified, for this type of product. It is not rare that people say when re-reading the arc they complained, it looked much better on the second read, it wasnt that bad... Seems like the issue is weekly pacing, people are impatient. Most of them read the first half of One Piece with all the chapters already available and now when they have to get crumbs on weekly basis, heads need to roll!

Anyway, I digress... Would it be good writing or bad writing if Oda never gives Luffy a win over Kaido?
How would you feel if the threat came true? Would that make the story better or worse? Is breaking the pattern what you want or not?
What threat, you might ask... The threat about Oda not knowing what to do with Luffy vs Kaido, that he WILL NOT make him win just because he punches hard... I say that is a serious threat. You might say that he already solved that issue by not making it 1vs1 and instead made it 15vs1 and gave Luffy 4 losses along the way. That might be true and I thought it would be solved that way but then I remembered something - it is nothing new! Oda has already been using that since Doflamingo!

Is it possible that Oda will do the unthinkable - leave his golden boy empty-handed? What did he give him in the last 4 years?
If that truly is supposed to happen, it's the perfect opportunity to happen against the guy who is 1vs1 king and the strongest individual in the whole world while Luffy is still a rookie who is struggling to leave the high tier behind him and step up into the big league...

Most people would probably react with "He would never do that to Luffy" and I dont blame them. Most people see Luffy in a better light than he actually is... However, this arc is different, something unseen before. One Emperor already fell despite Luffy promising he would beat all 4 of them!
And that Emperor fell in a way that no character had a finishing shot at her. If he can take out O-Lin without giving anyone the final blow, is it too wild that he would do something new with Kaido too?

I am not talking about ZKK, which in itself has tons of build-up but about how Oda plans to finish the part between Luffy and Kaido.
We already got a hint at the possible loss of Luffy through LinLin's words - I didnt hear Kaido's victory cry yet...
What would such development do for the story? I know Luffybros would be furious but what about others? Would they welcome such a thing?
How would it affect Luffy going forward? Is he ready to meet Shanks without a win over Kaido despite technically getting a win due to his crew member offing Kaido?

What do you think about it? Is a lack of win here good or bad for future storytelling?
Yours truly, high lord Kitetsu-dono aka nik87.

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We love you Nik-senpai

 

[serkeara]

To preserve the world building, Kaido should never get defeated 1 on 1. It should be the team effort and perfect strategy to take down the world strongest.

However, I foresee that Luffy will have another power ups, be super tanky, beat Kaido, and claim the world strongest title. Honestly, I don't care about the story anymore. I am here just to wank Zoro.

 

[Halyup]

If he loses again I'm gonna laugh

I fear luffy bros will be depress as hell if he loses again

Post automatically merged: Feb 15, 2022

I have seen many complaints about Oda's writing lately - this bad, that bad, everything is bad!

People have always complained about One Piece. It happened in Fishman Island, it happened in Punk Hazard, same happened in Dresrossa as well as it occured in WCI... Now, considering that Wano is in its 4th year, whether things are good or bad, people just want to be over with it. People want a new kid on the block!

The complaints are usually not really justified, for this type of product. It is not rare that people say when re-reading the arc they complained, it looked much better on the second read, it wasnt that bad... Seems like the issue is weekly pacing, people are impatient. Most of them read the first half of One Piece with all the chapters already available and now when they have to get crumbs on weekly basis, heads need to roll!

Anyway, I digress... Would it be good writing or bad writing if Oda never gives Luffy a win over Kaido?
How would you feel if the threat came true? Would that make the story better or worse? Is breaking the pattern what you want or not?
What threat, you might ask... The threat about Oda not knowing what to do with Luffy vs Kaido, that he WILL NOT make him win just because he punches hard... I say that is a serious threat. You might say that he already solved that issue by not making it 1vs1 and instead made it 15vs1 and gave Luffy 4 losses along the way. That might be true and I thought it would be solved that way but then I remembered something - it is nothing new! Oda has already been using that since Doflamingo!

Is it possible that Oda will do the unthinkable - leave his golden boy empty-handed? What did he give him in the last 4 years?
If that truly is supposed to happen, it's the perfect opportunity to happen against the guy who is 1vs1 king and the strongest individual in the whole world while Luffy is still a rookie who is struggling to leave the high tier behind him and step up into the big league...

Most people would probably react with "He would never do that to Luffy" and I dont blame them. Most people see Luffy in a better light than he actually is... However, this arc is different, something unseen before. One Emperor already fell despite Luffy promising he would beat all 4 of them!
And that Emperor fell in a way that no character had a finishing shot at her. If he can take out O-Lin without giving anyone the final blow, is it too wild that he would do something new with Kaido too?

I am not talking about ZKK, which in itself has tons of build-up but about how Oda plans to finish the part between Luffy and Kaido.
We already got a hint at the possible loss of Luffy through LinLin's words - I didnt hear Kaido's victory cry yet...
What would such development do for the story? I know Luffybros would be furious but what about others? Would they welcome such a thing?
How would it affect Luffy going forward? Is he ready to meet Shanks without a win over Kaido despite technically getting a win due to his crew member offing Kaido?

What do you think about it? Is a lack of win here good or bad for future storytelling?
Yours truly, high lord Kitetsu-dono aka nik87.

Spoiler: tags

@kenedyfake @Topi Jerami @Sentinel @comrade @Admiral Lee Hung @Light D Lamperouge @SinOfGreed @KiriNigiri @Den_Den_Mushi @trav @Demongodzolo @Marimo_420 @MarimoHeado @Aknolagon @Cyrus the Cactus @Rivaille @Monet @Pantheos @Garp the Fist @Gol D. Roger @Afroking @ImmaIvanoM @MarineHQ62 @Luffy bin Dragon @Luffy is the mc @Rmstorm @Fenaker @yj @Fiji @playa4321 @Guan Yu @Ice devil slayer @Sword God Ryuma @Zenos7 @Akai2 @MasterD @Jew D. Boy @RayanOO @Haoshoku @Dark Hound @Camie @Thabeast @style @Queen @zorojurou @RyumaZoro @Gon’s Missing Arm @Yo Tan Wa @Orojackson Refugee @Sunita @IceWitch @ShadyOjiro @wordyworm @LolonoisZolo @Grumpy Zoro @HA001 @HAJIKATA @Dragomir @Natalija @Enma @Rukusho @Sade @Sadistic Senpai @stormylife @Geo @Reborn @BossYimz @Cinera @ShishioIsBack @Shishi @Nidai_Kitetsu @Mikail @mly90 @The White Crane @Gauntlet @LordWhis @Kuro Ashi @Jo_Ndule @sanjikun @Extravlad @Inflamed Haki @Buusatan94 @AL sama @Patryipe @Kiwipom @Owl Ki @Salah WG @stairs-kun @BOCCHI @EtenBoby @Fujishiro @Bogard @LadyVados @Punpun @Titty Croissant @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung @I'mTired @Gensui Sazid @Marco @Erkan12 @Blackbeard @Alpha @matt245 @God D usopp @Shanal @ConquistadoR @Jet Pistol @Captain Luffy @Brendan Schaub @park_min young @Daikenki @WesMidnight @Echizen_Jo_Ndule @serialwinnerv7 @Malick the last Light @Worona Woro @yorosenpai @Shinsekai @King of the world @ShadowStyle369

Victory cry is inevitable
Luffy bros should braced themselves

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

Because people like you are eating this shit. And I am showing them, what they are eating is shit.

it seems like you just think about eating shit a lot.

 

[Ryuarashi]

Because if he lose he just get up again with a power up

ust because he is fighting alone at the end, it doesnt change the fact that 14 other people have helped him with it.
Even if he wins now, nobody will say that Kaido's 1vs1 has been debunked.

Kaido will be remain undefeated in 1vs1. Luffy overpowers Hybrid Kaido and forces awakening ultimately losing.

How Kaido loses afterwards? No idea but most likely a group effort with Zunisha.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

If he loses again, personally I wouldn't want him to come back and would consider him below Zoro, Law, Kidd, Sanji, Jimbei, Killer and Marco.

 

[IceWitch]

One Piece is the story of how Luffy becomes the Pirate King, it's not a story of how Luffy fails to become the Pirate King. Of course Luffy is going to eventually win every battle to achieve his goal. For the story to progress Luffy has to win. I'm ready for Kaido to get taken down already and the CP0 battle to begin tbh.

 

[VegaFunk]

You can have a fair fight with Kaido with our friendship. Nakama

 

[Herrera95]

Too late for real thread but still can't deny the lack of it ruins the arc.

 

[Patryipe]

I'm sick of this fight.

The victory cry business is very sus.

I hope this is the last round and we don't get a replica of DR with the victory cry marking the start of another round like Doffy with awakening and the birdcage shrinking...

 

[Kurozumi mugiwara44]

Luffy's goal: being the freest
Zoro's goal: being the strongest

Luffy's strongest ability: to turn those around him into his allies. With his crew being the gathering of people who will stand at the top of their respective goal.

Luffy having the strongest person in history as his right hand man will but undermine what great of a captain Luffy is.

Luffybros don't understand their favorite character.

 

[Ryuarashi]

Luffy's goal: being the freest
Zoro's goal: being the strongest

Luffy's strongest ability: to turn those around him into his allies. With his crew being the gathering of people who will stand at the top of their respective goal.

Luffy having the strongest person in history as his right hand man will but undermine what great of a captain Luffy is.

Luffybros don't understand their favorite character.

Nah, yall need to stick to understanding Zoro and only Zoro

Saying Luffy doesn't desire to be the strongest when he literally needs to be the strongest to not have a repeat of Sabody doesn't make sense.

Just stick to powerscaling Zoro.

 

[Adamxero]

This smells of Zoro cope by Nik.

After Law and Kid 'Defeated' Big Mom do you really think Oda won't give Luffy the same or better feat in beating Kaido?

Zoloboys are going to be mighty salty when this arc ends and their ZKK moment was Zoro defeating King's dragon

 

[nik87]

If he loses again, personally I wouldn't want him to come back and would consider him below Zoro, Law, Kidd, Sanji, Jimbei, Killer and Marco.

Woah, woah, woah! A loss doesnt mean all of that.
Whats up with those extremes...

Nah, yall need to stick to understanding Zoro and only Zoro

Saying Luffy doesn't desire to be the strongest when he literally needs to be the strongest to not have a repeat of Sabody doesn't make sense.

Just stick to powerscaling Zoro.

If Zoro didnt step up to deal with Hakai, Luffy would have it far worse than back at Sabaody. Zoro is the one who protected everyone, not Luffy and yet, you still think it's Luffy who does that... Weird.

This smells of Zoro cope by Nik.

After Law and Kid 'Defeated' Big Mom do you really think Oda won't give Luffy the same or better feat in beating Kaido?

Zoloboys are going to be mighty salty when this arc ends and their ZKK moment was Zoro defeating King's dragon

The point of the thread is how would YOU feel if Luffy never gets a win here?

 

[Obsidian]

Ngl, Luffy losing again will leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Not after what luffy had gone through in wano..
>2 P-ups.
>A training mini-arc that boosted his raw stats.
>Getting healed, resting, eating while his opponent is constantly being weakened..
And the fact that Kidd and law managed to get a W against BM.
~×~

Nah man! Kaido's victory cry will be a flashback thing!

 

[Adamxero]

Woah, woah, woah! A loss doesnt mean all of that.
Whats up with those extremes...

If Zoro didnt step up to deal with Hakai, Luffy would have it far worse than back at Sabaody. Zoro is the one who protected everyone, not Luffy and yet, you still think it's Luffy who does that... Weird.

The point of the thread is how would YOU feel if Luffy never gets a win here?

He will though.

He could get beat again and I'd still be confident Luffy will be the one to beat Kaido in such a way it'll be undisputed.

It all comes down to if you really believe an arc which is the accumulation of 4 arcs if Oda will leave Luffy leaving Wano empty handed and not take down the big villain which had been the build up.

The real question is if you think Oda will leave Luffy empty handed leaving Wano who will he give that feat to...and that's what I truly believe is the true purpose of this thread.

 

[nik87]

He will though.

He could get beat again and I'd still be confident Luffy will be the one to beat Kaido in such a way it'll be undisputed.

It all comes down to if you really believe an arc which is the accumulation of 4 arcs if Oda will leave Luffy leaving Wano empty handed and not take down the big villain which had been the build up.

The real question is if you think Oda will leave Luffy empty handed leaving Wano who will he give that feat to...and that's what I truly believe is the true purpose of this thread.

Undisputed beatdown of Kaido?
Have you seen the undisputed beatdown of LinLin? Plenty of dispute there.
Undisputed beatdown of Katakuri? Plenty of dispute there.
Undisputed beatdown of Cracker? Plenty of dispute there.
I have plenty of reasons to doubt how Kaido vs Luffy will end.

I think it's a waste of time and contradictory, because it's all about the ZKK and you said you weren't talking about the ZKK, LoL.

I told you I refer specifically to how Luffy vs Kaido part will end.
ZKK is inevitable for me and I am not bothering with convincing people who dont want to be convinced.

 

[Kurozumi mugiwara44]

If Zoro didnt step up to deal with Hakai, Luffy would have it far worse than back at Sabaody. Zoro is the one who protected everyone, not Luffy and yet, you still think it's Luffy who does that... Weird.

And before Hakai:

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Shameless Luffybros

Luffy is unbelievably lucky to have the strongest warrior of all time in his crew.