Speculations How would you frame the presumed last 3 arcs?
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Personally I think elbaf is too perfect of an arc to not finally finish off her story
From the island being elbaf to it potentially being a meeting point for a bunch if not all the worst generation members. Big mom pretty much having a beef with all of them
If shiki or gaban end up also being there even more reason for her to play a role a flesh out her past were still missing
From the island being elbaf to it potentially being a meeting point for a bunch if not all the worst generation members. Big mom pretty much having a beef with all of them
If shiki or gaban end up also being there even more reason for her to play a role a flesh out her past were still missing
Kind of similar to why I started this thread, even Oda seems to be dropping threads he "might" have set up years ago already:
Oda just casually explained in 109's SBS that Lucci captured these Level 6 escapees, its a dead end. I really wouldnt put too much stock on BMs "revenge" to be honest, especially since Kid already lost to Shanks. If she pops up, cool, but Im not inclined to think we meed to see any of this unless it serves the Rocks plot, which may be tied to the arc I guess.
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Its just....what purpose does it serve? It does nothing to advance this 1100 chapter story. Maybe Mother Caramel selling Giants to the Marines comes to play here, and maybe Linlin has ties to explain Rocks stuff, but outside of that, I just cant see how getting more of her does anything otherwise lol. Those things can just be explained by other people at this point.
Oda just casually explained in 109's SBS that Lucci captured these Level 6 escapees, its a dead end. I really wouldnt put too much stock on BMs "revenge" to be honest, especially since Kid already lost to Shanks. If she pops up, cool, but Im not inclined to think we meed to see any of this unless it serves the Rocks plot, which may be tied to the arc I guess.
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Its just....what purpose does it serve? It does nothing to advance this 1100 chapter story. Maybe Mother Caramel selling Giants to the Marines comes to play here, and maybe Linlin has ties to explain Rocks stuff, but outside of that, I just cant see how getting more of her does anything otherwise lol. Those things can just be explained by other people at this point.
Elbaf -> War against the Marines and Holy Knights. The marines find out that Vegapunk is still alive when Lilith calls the revs to give an update. Dragon says he’ll come pick up and Sakazuki comes as well. This leads to Man with burned scar (seems like it could be Scopper) helping Luffy, Luffy impresses him and he gives Luffy a permanent log to God Valley where Scopper took the poneglyph after Roger started the great pirate era. This is when the grand fleet unites with Luffy as well as Smoker
Meanwhile, shanks and Sengoku meet and unite to take down Blackbeard, which is a total defeat. Afterwards, the BB Pirates find their own permanent log to Shanks’ home, god valley and go there thinking it may be the location of the final poneglyph.
God Valley -> Luffy and Blackbeard show up around the same time and instantly fight. While Luffys winning, Blackbeard uses Shanks as a shield and hostage. Shanks ultimately sacrifices himself for Luffy, and Luffy wins and claims the final poneglyph.
Lodestar -> SWORD waits for Luffy to come here after god valley and they fight. Straw hats win, and Luffy wins over SWORD and Luffy charts the path to Raftel
Final War -> Luffy fights against Imu, Cross Guild has taken over Mariejoa and made it their own Utopia in the background of all these events and all the straw hats fight to complete their dream. Luffy gets taken to the final fight, the top of Uranus, by Nami. Luffy wins the fight and creates the one piece. A unification of the Continents around the world.
Meanwhile, shanks and Sengoku meet and unite to take down Blackbeard, which is a total defeat. Afterwards, the BB Pirates find their own permanent log to Shanks’ home, god valley and go there thinking it may be the location of the final poneglyph.
God Valley -> Luffy and Blackbeard show up around the same time and instantly fight. While Luffys winning, Blackbeard uses Shanks as a shield and hostage. Shanks ultimately sacrifices himself for Luffy, and Luffy wins and claims the final poneglyph.
Lodestar -> SWORD waits for Luffy to come here after god valley and they fight. Straw hats win, and Luffy wins over SWORD and Luffy charts the path to Raftel
Final War -> Luffy fights against Imu, Cross Guild has taken over Mariejoa and made it their own Utopia in the background of all these events and all the straw hats fight to complete their dream. Luffy gets taken to the final fight, the top of Uranus, by Nami. Luffy wins the fight and creates the one piece. A unification of the Continents around the world.
Kind of similar to why I started this thread, even Oda seems to be dropping threads he "might" have set up years ago already:
Oda just casually explained in 109's SBS that Lucci captured these Level 6 escapees, its a dead end. I really wouldnt put too much stock on BMs "revenge" to be honest, especially since Kid already lost to Shanks. If she pops up, cool, but Im not inclined to think we meed to see any of this unless it serves the Rocks plot, which may be tied to the arc I guess.
Oda just casually explained in 109's SBS that Lucci captured these Level 6 escapees, its a dead end. I really wouldnt put too much stock on BMs "revenge" to be honest, especially since Kid already lost to Shanks. If she pops up, cool, but Im not inclined to think we meed to see any of this unless it serves the Rocks plot, which may be tied to the arc I guess.
Hell even Pudding on egghead alludes to her status being unknown, signaling her being alive. That just tells me Oda is keeping her in mind for a return and Elbaf is the likely candidate
Kind of similar to why I started this thread, even Oda seems to be dropping threads he "might" have set up years ago already:
Oda just casually explained in 109's SBS that Lucci captured these Level 6 escapees, its a dead end. I really wouldnt put too much stock on BMs "revenge" to be honest, especially since Kid already lost to Shanks. If she pops up, cool, but Im not inclined to think we meed to see any of this unless it serves the Rocks plot, which may be tied to the arc I guess.
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Its just....what purpose does it serve? It does nothing to advance this 1100 chapter story. Maybe Mother Caramel selling Giants to the Marines comes to play here, and maybe Linlin has ties to explain Rocks stuff, but outside of that, I just cant see how getting more of her does anything otherwise lol. Those things can just be explained by other people at this point.
Oda just casually explained in 109's SBS that Lucci captured these Level 6 escapees, its a dead end. I really wouldnt put too much stock on BMs "revenge" to be honest, especially since Kid already lost to Shanks. If she pops up, cool, but Im not inclined to think we meed to see any of this unless it serves the Rocks plot, which may be tied to the arc I guess.
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Its just....what purpose does it serve? It does nothing to advance this 1100 chapter story. Maybe Mother Caramel selling Giants to the Marines comes to play here, and maybe Linlin has ties to explain Rocks stuff, but outside of that, I just cant see how getting more of her does anything otherwise lol. Those things can just be explained by other people at this point.
Like I’ve said a bunch of times I’m not even confident oda will even handle her return well but hey elbaf is just too perfect for her imo
I just hope she’s made semi competent and in mind before she finally gets fully taken out. I’m not going to have high expectations tho lol
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Touche. I guess we'll see. If that Volcano launched her and Kaido to Elbaf/Warland, that shit would be funny lol. Dont get me wrong, Im all for them being around IF they are also used to really tie the Rocks storyline together since Oda has been super elusive on what it all means to the present story.
What Id hate is her character, who is a villain that has lost already, to get even more screentime when Oda cant even give Kizaru proper closure or screentime. And that scares me for Blackbeard or Shanks, because the closer we get to the endgame, the less likely those characters have their own concentrated arcs to begin with. Itll be shared by a thousand other characters.
Using her for Rocks good, using her for herself (for what purpose) bad.
What Id hate is her character, who is a villain that has lost already, to get even more screentime when Oda cant even give Kizaru proper closure or screentime. And that scares me for Blackbeard or Shanks, because the closer we get to the endgame, the less likely those characters have their own concentrated arcs to begin with. Itll be shared by a thousand other characters.
Using her for Rocks good, using her for herself (for what purpose) bad.
Because Blackbeard is going to fight Shanks and win, that’s been built up for a long time now and odas not skipping it.
But shanks should reunite with Luffy and the only way both can happen is if Blackbeard uses Shanks as a hostage during a fight and it’s not like Blackbeard isn’t known for dirty tricks
But shanks should reunite with Luffy and the only way both can happen is if Blackbeard uses Shanks as a hostage during a fight and it’s not like Blackbeard isn’t known for dirty tricks
Or you just arent thinking that hard about this. There a million different ways Shanks can meet Luffy and also fight Blackbeard (and also have Luffy fight both).
This isnt really that difficult to imagine... Trying to logic Shanks of all people to become a hostage for Blackbeard is ridiculous when you compare their portrayals in their story.
Nothing in this story suggests Shanks is losing to Teach, especially without Luffy meeting Shanks first. There is just as much suggesting Shanks and Luffy end up fighting from Luffy's own mouth than Shanks fighting Blackbeard and losing before it happens
This isnt really that difficult to imagine... Trying to logic Shanks of all people to become a hostage for Blackbeard is ridiculous when you compare their portrayals in their story.
Nothing in this story suggests Shanks is losing to Teach, especially without Luffy meeting Shanks first. There is just as much suggesting Shanks and Luffy end up fighting from Luffy's own mouth than Shanks fighting Blackbeard and losing before it happens
Most people call shanks a roger parallel, myself included, but I think people aren’t accepting all that this entails.
Roger used the last few seconds of his life to start the great pirate era, it’s not a leap in logic to assume Shanks will end up doing something similar to bring about a new era himself by sacrificing himself for Luffy.
There is not as much for Shanks vs Luffy as there is Shanks vs Blackbeard. Shanks’ main scenes in the story is him chasing, antagonizing, and warning others about Blackbeard. And expecting shanks to fight Blackbeard and win is like expecting Gojo to beat Sukuna.
Besides, this is literally the exact same thing Blackbeard did pre timeskip where he beat Ace and used him as a bartering token to become a warlord. Or recently now with Blackbeard using Coby as a hostage and possibly next with Blackbeard likely using Garp as a hostage.
Blackbeard using hostages for an advantage is a major part of his character, it makes more sense than Blackbeard just straight killing him. And sorry but those are the only two options to me. The idea that Shanks fights Luffy makes no sense.
Roger used the last few seconds of his life to start the great pirate era, it’s not a leap in logic to assume Shanks will end up doing something similar to bring about a new era himself by sacrificing himself for Luffy.
There is not as much for Shanks vs Luffy as there is Shanks vs Blackbeard. Shanks’ main scenes in the story is him chasing, antagonizing, and warning others about Blackbeard. And expecting shanks to fight Blackbeard and win is like expecting Gojo to beat Sukuna.
Besides, this is literally the exact same thing Blackbeard did pre timeskip where he beat Ace and used him as a bartering token to become a warlord. Or recently now with Blackbeard using Coby as a hostage and possibly next with Blackbeard likely using Garp as a hostage.
Blackbeard using hostages for an advantage is a major part of his character, it makes more sense than Blackbeard just straight killing him. And sorry but those are the only two options to me. The idea that Shanks fights Luffy makes no sense.
Beating Ace or Law is far different from him beating the character with the canonically highest display of Haki in this series (barring Joyboy), but go ahead and believe what you want lol.
I guarantee you that we do not know enough about Shanks to make hard claims that he and Luffy wont fight, especially when Luffy himself only agreed to ally with Law as long as it wasnt about fighting Shanks first. Or even think Blackbeard can trick Shanks into a loss.
I have my PFP for a reason, its to reiterate the fact that Shanks reacts to Luffy in an antagonistic way, not as an ally (unless you think that face means he just wants to congratulate him lol). The dude decided to attack his fleet members, why are we still denying this?
I guarantee you that we do not know enough about Shanks to make hard claims that he and Luffy wont fight, especially when Luffy himself only agreed to ally with Law as long as it wasnt about fighting Shanks first. Or even think Blackbeard can trick Shanks into a loss.
I have my PFP for a reason, its to reiterate the fact that Shanks reacts to Luffy in an antagonistic way, not as an ally (unless you think that face means he just wants to congratulate him lol). The dude decided to attack his fleet members, why are we still denying this?