Speculations How would you frame the presumed last 3 arcs?

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Charlotte Cracker had a bigger Armanent Haki level than Post Dressrosa Luffy

 

[Paperchampion23]

Yes, haki is a good weapon here, but Kaido was beat because Luffy was able to awaken his fruit. The combined might of Luffys haki and Luffys fruit is what allowed Luffy to finish Kaido.

Please tell me why you think stronger haki = Stronger fighter when we’re shown that’s not always true

In which his heartbeat granted him more haki to even keep fighting in the first place, we are going in circles lol and might as well agree to disagree.

You think that Blackbeard's reliance on devil fruits allows him to defeat Shanks and his entire crew. I think Shanks' haki and fighting prowess wont let that happen.

Personally I dont think either character will defeat the other and Luffy will defeat both, thereby having stronger haki and DF powers in the end.
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Charlotte Cracker had a bigger Armanent Haki level than Post Dressrosa Luffy

So did Katakuri, but we already know that Conquerors imbuement is what is being discussed in Wano and beyond.

Look at what happened with Warcury and Luffy

 

[Sir Yasheen]

In which his heartbeat granted him more haki to even keep fighting in the first place, we are going in circles lol and might as well agree to disagree.

You think that Blackbeard's reliance on devil fruits allows him to defeat Shanks and his entire crew. I think Shanks' haki and fighting prowess wont let that happen.

Personally I dont think either character will defeat the other and Luffy will defeat both, thereby having stronger haki and DF powers in the end.

Obviously Blackbeard isn’t going to solo the entire crew, it’ll be a full war between the two.

And answer my question, do you think stronger haki guarantees a stronger fighter?

 

[Paperchampion23]

Obviously Blackbeard isn’t going to solo the entire crew, it’ll be a full war between the two.

And I dont agree with this. Oda will not portray this in any way this makes sense on screen without Luffy being involved.

Is every single Blackbeard crew member supposed to win too? And if they lose, how does that justify their fight with Luffy's crew?

And answer my question, do you think stronger haki guarantees a stronger fighter?

I already answered this above. In the context of Armanent Haki, no. In the context of Conquerors Haki, yes.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

And I dont agree with this. Oda will not portray this in any way this makes sense on screen without Luffy being involved.

Is every single Blackbeard crew member supposed to win too? And if they lose, how does that justify their fight with Luffy's crew?


I already answered this above. In the context of Armanent Haki, no. In the context of Conquerors Haki, yes.

So Yamato > Ryokugyu?

 

[Paperchampion23]

So Yamato > Ryokugyu?

In what context has Yamato's Conquerors been stated to be above Ryokugyuu's? Or are you just assuming Admirals do not have Conquerors?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

In what context has Yamato's Conquerors been stated to be above Ryokugyuu's? Or are you just assuming Admirals do not have Conquerors?

In the context where Ryo was never shown nor hinted to have CoC?

 

[Paperchampion23]

In the context where Ryo was never shown nor hinted to have CoC?

See, this is the kind of meanless shit I hate arguing lol. We cannot have a normal conversation about something that hasnt been confirmed or addressed yet.

Let it go and believe what you want Yasheen

 

[Toryu]

Somewhere along the lines Enel.will come back with a part of the plot we need.

The strawhat literally going to the moon is out of place.

I have no idea how Lodestar and Laugh tale will go, there are too many plotlines converging.

I still believe IMU is the last villains, so

Elbalf ( plot )> Lodestar ( BB vs Shanks ) Buggy realizes Luffy is the PK, Zoro defeats Mihawk> Laugh tale BB vs Luffy > Final war

 

[Paperchampion23]

Somewhere along the lines Enel.will come back with a part of the plot we need.

The strawhat literally going to the moon is out of place.

I have no idea how Lodestar and Laugh tale will go, there are too many plotlines converging.

I still believe IMU is the last villains, so

Elbalf ( plot )> Lodestar ( BB vs Shanks ) Buggy realizes Luffy is the PK, Zoro defeats Mihawk> Laugh tale BB vs Luffy > Final war

Imo, the Final War precedes Laugh Tale at this point. Oda has kind of hinted that the War for One Piece is the final war, and to that effect is why I agree that Imu/WG will be the ones to actually make it to LT with Luffy (via Uranus). Atm Im trying to grade the series as having 3-5 major fights left for Luffy. It sounds like a lot on paper, but if you use the context of a war before Laugh Tale, it makes sense:

- Burned Scar Man
- Akainu
- Shanks
- Blackbeard
- Imu

Now I say 3 at minimum because I think its clear Akainu, Blackbeard and Imu are Luffy's own battles. The Burned Scar Man we arent sure is strong and obviously we cant determine what Shanks' true motive actually is with Luffy. But, I believe you can still break down who will be involved in whar arc and where.

- Elbaf: I think HAS to involve the 4th Poneglyph somehow or we go yet another arc without making progress there. Warland is seemingly a sea full of islands so its possible he roams this area. The only alternative I see is Elbaf is its own thing and there is an island between it and Lodestar. Ultimately if that is the case its just the same issue spread between 2 arcs.

- Lodestar: Should be the junction point where all Yonko (and Akainu) meet. All Yonko obviously want to get past Lodestar to Laugh Tale, and the Marines want to prevent those Yonko from getting there. Also think about whats been stated by certain characters, all 4 Yonko and Marines are connected by major storylines:

- Shanks is looking for Blackbeard
- Shanks is looking for Barto and wants to meet Luffy
- Buggy wants to steal the RPs during the chaos; Zoro and Mihawk obviously
- Blackbeard very likely is hunting Luffy
- Ryokugyuu has stated he intends to face the RHP
- Akainu has put out a declaration of stopping everyone on all fronts.
- Koby wants to stop Luffy. Ideally his encounter with Blackbeard suggests he'll want to also rescue Garp or face Kuzan
- Kuzan and Akainu have history
- If the RA assist at all, Dragon and Akainu may have history. Dragon and Garp obviously havent encountered each other yet.

The list goes on and on, it kind of shows that we essentially need a big war to address all of this together. The RA may assault Mariejoa at first, but I can see them chasing the WG to the end of Grandline if they discover Uranus and its purpose. And thats where I see Imu coming into play

- Laugh Tale: The big final battle with the surviving characters vs Imu. Does Luffy get Pluton from Blackbeard (if he takes it from Wano?), does Shirahoshi come to help? Kid/Law/Supernova? Sabo? Koby? A lot of big variables here. I think VPs message was enough for the reader to be sold on the WGs antagonism, but we'll learn the true history and One Piece before the final fights begin.

Tldr:

- Elbaf/Another Island: New Villain/Burned Scar Man (depending on the next 10 chapters)
- Lodestar: Akainu, Shanks, and Blackbeard
- Laugh Tale: Imu

 

[Toryu]

Imo, the Final War precedes Laugh Tale at this point. Oda has kind of hinted that the War for One Piece is the final war, and to that effect is why I agree that Imu/WG will be the ones to actually make it to LT with Luffy (via Uranus). Atm Im trying to grade the series as having 3-5 major fights left for Luffy. It sounds like a lot on paper, but if you use the context of a war before Laugh Tale, it makes sense:

- Burned Scar Man
- Akainu
- Shanks
- Blackbeard
- Imu

Now I say 3 at minimum because I think its clear Akainu, Blackbeard and Imu are Luffy's own battles. The Burned Scar Man we arent sure is strong and obviously we cant determine what Shanks' true motive actually is with Luffy. But, I believe you can still break down who will be involved in whar arc and where.

- Elbaf: I think HAS to involve the 4th Poneglyph somehow or we go yet another arc without making progress there. Warland is seemingly a sea full of islands so its possible he roams this area. The only alternative I see is Elbaf is its own thing and there is an island between it and Lodestar. Ultimately if that is the case its just the same issue spread between 2 arcs.

- Lodestar: Should be the junction point where all Yonko (and Akainu) meet. All Yonko obviously want to get past Lodestar to Laugh Tale, and the Marines want to prevent those Yonko from getting there. Also think about whats been stated by certain characters, all 4 Yonko and Marines are connected by major storylines:

- Shanks is looking for Blackbeard
- Shanks is looking for Barto and wants to meet Luffy
- Buggy wants to steal the RPs during the chaos; Zoro and Mihawk obviously
- Blackbeard very likely is hunting Luffy
- Ryokugyuu has stated he intends to face the RHP
- Akainu has put out a declaration of stopping everyone on all fronts.
- Koby wants to stop Luffy. Ideally his encounter with Blackbeard suggests he'll want to also rescue Garp or face Kuzan
- Kuzan and Akainu have history
- If the RA assist at all, Dragon and Akainu may have history. Dragon and Garp obviously havent encountered each other yet.

The list goes on and on, it kind of shows that we essentially need a big war to address all of this together. The RA may assault Mariejoa at first, but I can see them chasing the WG to the end of Grandline if they discover Uranus and its purpose. And thats where I see Imu coming into play

- Laugh Tale: The big final battle with the surviving characters vs Imu. Does Luffy get Pluton from Blackbeard (if he takes it from Wano?), does Shirahoshi come to help? Kid/Law/Supernova? Sabo? Koby? A lot of big variables here. I think VPs message was enough for the reader to be sold on the WGs antagonism, but we'll learn the true history and One Piece before the final fights begin.

Tldr:

- Elbaf/Another Island: New Villain/Burned Scar Man (depending on the next 10 chapters)
- Lodestar: Akainu, Shanks, and Blackbeard
- Laugh Tale: Imu

My issue with this is that WB said-

When that treasure is found, the world will turn upside down , and the one carrying the legacy will overthrow the WG

I don't believe laugh tale is the final war

 

[Paperchampion23]

My issue with this is that WB said-

When that treasure is found, the world will turn upside down , and the one carrying the legacy will overthrow the WG

I don't believe laugh tale is the final war

My point is that it can happen all at once. The world can be turned upsidedown from Laugh tale during the final fights and during the event of finding One Piece

That statement from Whitebeard contradicts Oda's more recent statements of the series ending when One Piece is found.

 

[NikaInParis]

Do they need to go to Lodestar tho? Roger went there because it's the last island the Log Pose leads you to, and found out there's a secret island. But we and the crew were already told all of this.

Imo, and this is more of a wish than a prediction, we would do well with an On-Sea arc - have the presumed post-Elbaf battle royal for the 4th poneglyph be fought on the open seas. Something like Edd War but this time it actually happens.

 

[Shiroyru]

Do they need to go to Lodestar tho? Roger went there because it's the last island the Log Pose leads you to, and found out there's a secret island. But we and the crew were already told all of this.

Imo, and this is more of a wish than a prediction, we would do well with an On-Sea arc - have the presumed post-Elbaf battle royal for the 4th poneglyph be fought on the open seas. Something like Edd War but this time it actually happens.

The Burned Scar Man should be fought on the seas since his ship was hyped up for being hard to reach

 

[NikaInParis]

The Burned Scar Man should be fought on the seas since his ship was hyped up for being hard to reach

A maritime battle in general would be a nice change of pace.
It could lead to an added sense of tension with DF users having to pay attention to stay above water

 

[Seven7]

Elbaf:
Usopp plotlines,RHP vs SHP (I know they left but frankly still think it's happening in Elbaf )
Blackbeard vs Shanks set up
Giants and Nika lore,
Catch up with Saul and a tournament arc.

The intermissions of the arc are Holy knights vs Revos and whatever Cross guild and Blackbeard are doing.
Red hairs and Straw hats leave and the arc ends with Shanks and Blackbeard fighting
Antagonist for this arc would be Loki or a new character.


Lodestar
Vivi rejoins the crew
Gaban or burn faced man appears
Akainu is pressured by imu and the gorosei goes off to chase the straw hats.
Stopped by Dragon
Blackbeard and his crew defeat Shanks,
(Don't think it'll be a one on one fight)
Straw hats vs Cross guild.
More lore about the ancient weapons

People might downplay it's importantance but this is the final arc before the one piece I expect a lot of events to happen there




Laughtale/Final war
Straw hats vs Blackbeard pirates
Kuzan betrays teach
Lore about the void century
Find the OP
Final war


Missing a lot of stuff but this is the general vibe I'm getting

 

[ZenZu]

Oda’s already done a poor enough job at “trimming the fat” in preparation for the final saga by failing to kill off Kizaru, Saturn, or even Kuma in Egghead. The last thing this story needs is him bringing Meme back into the story for basically no reason

Oda still refuses to show us a single Admiral going all out....he's setting himself up for disaster trying to keep everything hidden till the very last minute.

 

[kekaro]

Do they need to go to Lodestar tho? Roger went there because it's the last island the Log Pose leads you to, and found out there's a secret island. But we and the crew were already told all of this.

Imo, and this is more of a wish than a prediction, we would do well with an On-Sea arc - have the presumed post-Elbaf battle royal for the 4th poneglyph be fought on the open seas. Something like Edd War but this time it actually happens.

I mean I don't care for Lodestar but if we go by "need" there doesn't need to be more of an arc than Laugh Tale. Everyone that is relevant can show up there including imu and the WG on Uranus or something

Oda still refuses to show us a single Admiral going all out....he's setting himself up for disaster trying to keep everything hidden till the very last minute.

Admiral going all out, or rather going extreme diff in a 1vs1 sort of fight is gonna be a final arc thing
Lets go through it:
- Cant go all out if they are in any facility associated with WG/marines cause its break them (marineford). This includes WG affiliated land which is like almost every island beside a yonkos reach
- Also need at least some people with them as they not just gonna solo a yonko crew + yonko at the same time

This scenario can realistically only happen during the final arc organically where hell breaks lose, unless a very convoluted way happens

 

[ZenZu]

Admiral going all out, or rather going extreme diff in a 1vs1 sort of fight is gonna be a final arc thing
Lets go through it:
- Cant go all out if they are in any facility associated with WG/marines cause its break them (marineford). This includes WG affiliated land which is like almost every island beside a yonkos reach
- Also need at least some people with them as they not just gonna solo a yonko crew + yonko at the same time

This scenario can realistically only happen during the final arc organically where hell breaks lose, unless a very convoluted way happens

Yea which is stupid. Yonkou have already gone all out, it's time to start checking off some boxes rather than leaving it all till the last minute.

You don't have to have them lose, just showcase their abilities, no reason to continue hiding it. There's no reason Kuzan couldn't have shown us more of his abilities. Even if he gets a fight later on, it won't take anything away from it. This way Oda can focus on someone else when it's Kuzan's time to fight.

Hiding everything and leaving it till the last minute will lead to a rushed product, characters getting shafted sharing screentime with one another. But it's Oda being Oda, he still refuses to stray from his formula, dudes addicted to mystery.

I do get it though, this tells me Luffy vs Akainu is actually in the books. Guys like Kuzan and Kizaru are too close to Akainu in power. Oda wants to let Akainu be the one to showcase their abilities.

 

[kekaro]

Yea which is stupid. Yonkou have already gone all out, it's time to start checking off some boxes rather than leaving it all till the last minute.

You don't have to have them lose, just showcase their abilities, no reason to continue hiding it. There's no reason Kuzan couldn't have shown us more of his abilities. Even if he gets a fight later on, it won't take anything away from it. This way Oda can focus on someone else when it's Kuzan's time to fight.

Hiding everything and leaving it till the last minute will lead to a rushed product, characters getting shafted sharing screentime with one another. But it's Oda being Oda, he still refuses to stray from his formula, dudes addicted to mystery.

I do get it though, this tells me Luffy vs Akainu is actually in the books. Guys like Kuzan and Kizaru are too close to Akainu in power. Oda wants to let Akainu be the one to showcase their abilities.

Sure that's how just oda writes tho, nothing specific with the admirals
Like there is a reason why Imu is a silhouette since 400chapters/6 years

I cant even remember when a side character showed something impressive when he was not the main focus. I guess maybe Doffy with his string road system through the sky at the end of PH?