Future Events How would you like(think) Luffy vs Kizaru to play out?

[Monkey D Monkey]

Kizaru = Kidd
Luffy = Shanks

The scenario will be the same where Kizaru will use his speed and Lazers to threaten Luffy’s crew and Vegapunk, but Luffy doesn’t yet have FS on the level of Shanks to deal with this, so he will need to improve his CoO. Once Luffy does that he will probably one-shot Kizaru using FS to predict where he will be and pulling off some new speed based G5 ACoC move.

 

[Paperchampion23]

FS Mastery

 

[Arthur Fleck]

My guess is that Kizaru would try to attack those weak people on SH side and Luffy will be force to protect them, he might even try to directly attack Vegapunk. Kizaru seems to be a person who would try to finish his mission fast like how he tried to attack WB first. He also seems like someone who wouldn't mind fairness and take advantage at any opening he will get.

Yeah, so 2 might not be impossible.

 

[gz89]

My guess is that Kizaru would try to attack those weak people

Kizaru=Seraphim confirmed

 

[ShadyOjiro]

High diff

 

[Cherry Hilk]

Kizaru = Kidd
Luffy = Shanks

The scenario will be the same where Kizaru will use his speed and Lazers to threaten Luffy’s crew and Vegapunk, but Luffy doesn’t yet have FS on the level of Shanks to deal with this, so he will need to improve his CoO. Once Luffy does that he will probably one-shot Kizaru using FS to predict where he will be and pulling off some new speed based G5 ACoC move.

Tell me you are a fanboy without telling me

 

[Kotone]

I think Sanji may show up first

Sanji has island range coo

He knows someone showed up

+ with his speed no way he's not just blitzing there

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Knowing Oda, Luffy might actually get stomped by Kizaru even though he is stronger.
Or he starts to fight and it lasts until the end of the arc with a win of high diff.
It's a toss up between these two scenarios imo

 

[Monkey D Monkey]

Tell me you are a fanboy without telling me

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[Sandro]

I think most one-piece fans have fluffy above kizaru, worst case scenario extreme diff for fluffy. If Oda was to draw fluffy vs kizaru how would you like it to play out?

scenario 1. fluffy forgets most of the pus he has (advcoc) and the fight is high - extreme diff
2- classic fluffy vs kata (highly unlikely)- kizaru would be dominant and fluffy would unlock a powerup to barely win
3- fluffy vs og lucci- fluffy would show powerups he has pre fight and would barely win (fluffy would be the clear winner in this scenario unlike fluffy vs kata)
4- fluffy vs croc,kaido, etc. - fluffy straight up loses and comes back again (and maybe loses again)
5- fluffy vs new and improve lucci - fluffy toys with kizaru and wins quickly
6- They have a small clash but there is no winner and the shs escape
7- kizaru wins
8- Luffy fights kizaru properly with all his powerups and comfortably wins (high - extreme diff)
9- They won't fight

For me, 3,6,7(but Luffy will still escape), 8(wins, but uncomfortable) are the most realistic scenarios.

If they start fighting, it will be a hard fight for Luff (extreme diff) and it won't be long because if all the Marines get into the fight, the Straw Hats will lose.

 

[meho_meho]

I really can't understand why one would want to see Saturn vs Luffy instead of Kizaru vs Luffy, and by doing so need to say Gorosei > too tier with all the problems it would bring.

Not an attack, just a thought.

I don't have a problem with Gorosei being more powerful than Admirals, in fact it makes more sense, because Admirals are the navy commanders, while Gorosei are WG commanders, and WG should be above the navy.
also don't u think that the one who made Kaido look bad, will actually make Kizaru look even worse?

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Kaido -> Kizaru, is like Doffy -> Katakuri. Major Arc Raid Boss -> Escape Arc Solo Boss.

For Doffy, Luffy/Law shared credit. Katakuri was Luffy all on his own, and got a 1.5b + 5th Emperor title.

For Kaido, Luffy/Law/Kid shared credit. So Kizaru is Luffy all on his own, to differentiate him from the Supernovas.

?? Doffy is not stronger than Kat which is why Luffy needed a major PU to win

 

[Dragon777]

I don't have a problem with Gorosei being more powerful than Admirals, in fact it makes more sense, because Admirals are the navy commanders, while Gorosei are WG commanders, and WG should be above the navy.
also don't u think that the one who made Kaido look bad, will actually make Kizaru look even worse?

I have because, to me, having 5 top tiers + admiral would make the one Piece's plot totally pointless. They could have handily killed Roger, Xebec, WB, and so whatever and whenever they decided.
Opposite of that, they were always quite panicking when some of them made a move.

But aside from that, Kizaru is a great enemy of the past, responsible for maybe the biggest defeat of the mugi. I vastly prefer him being the antagonist and closing that plot in a great manner, and no being some side enemy.

Also, I just want a hard fight between the two.

 

[Monkey D Monkey]

I have because, to me, having 5 top tiers + admiral would make the one Piece's plot totally pointless. They could have handily killed Roger, Xebec, WB, and so whatever and whenever they decided.
Opposite of that, they were always quite panicking when some of them made a move.

But aside from that, Kizaru is a great enemy of the past, responsible for maybe the biggest defeat of the mugi. I vastly prefer him being the antagonist and closing that plot in a great manner, and no being some side enemy.

Also, I just want a hard fight between the two.

The explanation for why the Gorosei don’t get involved despite being Top Tier is probably because the WG uses the threat of the Ancient Weapons to justify eliminating the history of Void century. If the Gorosei showed up using Ancient Weapon power they would look like hypocrites and loose their justification for all their actions. That’s why the Gorosei’s power remains hidden and they don’t take actual action themselves unless there is a dramatic need for it.

Xebec and Roger never reached the point of forcing that need.

 

[Uncle Van]

-an admiral gets directly involved near the end of an arc
-Admiral shows off his power
-everyone gets away because another strong characters stops an admiral, or there's an appeal to an admiral's morality
-This has happened with Aokiji, Kizaru, Fujitora and GB.

I doubt Oda would also draw a full top tier fight for a short expedition arc. I say Luffy and Kizaru(and probably others) clash to prepare the others for escape. Vegapunk uses light manipulation and/or threatens the destruction of his devices to convince Kizaru to stand down.

 

[Dragon777]

The explanation for why the Gorosei don’t get involved despite being Top Tier is probably because the WG uses the threat of the Ancient Weapons to justify eliminating the history of Void century. If the Gorosei showed up using Ancient Weapon power they would look like hypocrites and loose their justification for all their actions. That’s why the Gorosei’s power remains hidden and they don’t take actual action themselves unless there is a dramatic need for it.

Xebec and Roger never reached the point of forcing that need.

So you think the Gorosei are using AW's powers?
I understand, but I do not think so at the moment, reason why they should have hunted down at least Roger and Xebec, if they could.
Instead, we have seen them panicking about almost every Emperor's move there was.

But even if Saturn was a top tier, I would prefer Kizaru as the antagonist. He was responsible for the biggest defeat of the crew, would be the first admiral to fall, etc. It deserves to be the antagonist of this arc.

 

[Monkey D Monkey]

So you think the Gorosei are using AW's powers?
I understand, but I do not think so at the moment, reason why they should have hunted down at least Roger and Xebec, if they could.
Instead, we have seen them panicking about almost every Emperor's move there was.

But even if Saturn was a top tier, I would prefer Kizaru as the antagonist. He was responsible for the biggest defeat of the crew, would be the first admiral to fall, etc. It deserves to be the antagonist of this arc.

You have to ask yourself why else would Oda give them the same planet naming scheme as the Ancient Weapons and call them specifically warrior gods, if they didn’t have ancient weapon like powers?

Like I said the Gorosei don’t make moves, because it would be announcing to the world that they have Ancient Weapon power, and this would turn most of the world against the WG. The Gorosei also panic when Yonko make moves because they don’t want the situation to get to the point where the Marines and HK can’t handle it and they need to get involved, not because they are too weak but because they want to hide their power.

I do agre that Kizaru is main antagonist and the one that will fight Luffy, I’ve said that for awhile, but this doesn’t require Kizaru to be stronger then Saturn, just like Katakuri was not stronger then Big Mom even though he was the main antagonist of WCI who fought Luffy. Saturn will get involved towards the end and show off his power shocking the world, but straw hats will run away from him successful like Big Mom in WCI, while Luffy will defeat Kizaru.

 

[meho_meho]

I have because, to me, having 5 top tiers + admiral would make the one Piece's plot totally pointless. They could have handily killed Roger, Xebec, WB, and so whatever and whenever they decided.
Opposite of that, they were always quite panicking when some of them made a move.

But aside from that, Kizaru is a great enemy of the past, responsible for maybe the biggest defeat of the mugi. I vastly prefer him being the antagonist and closing that plot in a great manner, and no being some side enemy.

Also, I just want a hard fight between the two.

Xebec was definitely a threat, he had 3 Yonkos in his crew + other top tiers.
Admirals can't be stronger than the Gorosei, because if they are stronger, then that would mean Navy > WG, which doesn't make sense.
Imu > Gorosei ~= Yonko ~= fleet Admiral > Admirals.

 

[Dragon777]

Xebec was definitely a threat, he had 3 Yonkos in his crew + other top tiers.
Admirals can't be stronger than the Gorosei, because if they are stronger, then that would mean Navy > WG, which doesn't make sense.
Imu > Gorosei ~= Yonko ~= fleet Admiral > Admirals.

Other then the fact that I disagree about Yonkou > Admiral, for me it is quite clear that they are one the same level, separating the WG and the Marine is quite absurd: the Marines are the strongest force of the WG and will be dealt with in the final war.

Imu will probably be superior to anyone, there are the knights and so on, but the Marines remain the strongest force:

And as I was saying, the Gorosei being top tier doesn't not make sense plot-wise.

But obviously, you can indeed have a different opinion.

 

[Kaido4422]

U

That’s why I think the base fight will be Snake Man vs Kizaru but then once Kizaru uses awakening snakeman wont be able to keep up. Kizaru at his full strength should be well above G4 and only rivaled by G5

U lame gear 4 is more than enough