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ive been trying to figure that out today

because from my PoV

my action shud work first, which shud then disable melkor's busdrive FROM his end, not my end. so abilities on me still go to melkor, but abilities on melkor shud not come to me

since pot's rabbit went from melkor to me, it's clear my ability failed PRIOR to pot's rabbit

someone else targeted me directly with an ability that stopped my ability, and it had more processing order than melkor's busdrive

its the only logical explaination from my PoV
Catch me up, whats this


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Amor a Luna!
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
but ratchet ur asking me about an ability i already claimed, im not going to change that claim. u dont need my whole role because i didnt use any of it outside of what i claimed, so its useless to full claim. it wont give u anything

my legacy is anyone with 2 functioning braincells shud stop following you, and town shud stop sucking up the indies lol

and yeah melkor probably scum, it's not a surprise for anyone
Yeah but you see, your legacy seems completely delusional to me. As Town, I helped lynch Polar Day 1 - flipped Scum. Would have been the main component behind lynching Melkor Day 2, you also think he's scum. So up until now, I'm basically at 100%. Yet you think I'm leading the town off track for some reason, just because I want you lynched too. At best, it's the classic low-tier OMGUS. You haven't given any useful town reads or scum reads. You haven't contributed beyond telling us to lynch Indies. Yet apparently you think the burden of evidence to lynch you needs to be extremely high as if you're indisputably town. It just isn't grounded in reality.

I'll be frank - if you're town I'm forced to accept that all of this is genuine, and then I'm disappointed in you on a personal level. Not for the first time in recent mo ths - I hope you fix whatever is affecting you like so because theis sort of behaviour won't be accepted for much longer. So yeah I do hope you're scum, if not you really ought to be looking inward at what kind of person you want to be.
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
Yeah but you see, your legacy seems completely delusional to me. As Town, I helped lynch Polar Day 1 - flipped Scum. Would have been the main component behind lynching Melkor Day 2, you also think he's scum. So up until now, I'm basically at 100%. Yet you think I'm leading the town off track for some reason, just because I want you lynched too. At best, it's the classic low-tier OMGUS. You haven't given any useful town reads or scum reads. You haven't contributed beyond telling us to lynch Indies. Yet apparently you think the burden of evidence to lynch you needs to be extremely high as if you're indisputably town. It just isn't grounded in reality.

I'll be frank - if you're town I'm forced to accept that all of this is genuine, and then I'm disappointed in you on a personal level. Not for the first time in recent mo ths - I hope you fix whatever is affecting you like so because theis sort of behaviour won't be accepted for much longer. So yeah I do hope you're scum, if not you really ought to be looking inward at what kind of person you want to be.
I don't really want to be overly preachy to be honest but there is one part this game that I think is completely unacceptable (it wasn't in relation towards me). I don't actually dislike you outside of Mafia so if I can help in some way I'm here. There needs to be a better way than playing up the asshole routine.
 
Can you explain in a short detailed manner why he is probably scum

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Amor a Luna!
1.) I think Reloaded was a detail to save him yesterday (Hayumi particularly I see equity)
2.) Polar Bear had what I feel is a pretty undue town read on him day one. The kind I can see him giving to a scummate
3.) I think his solving has been very linear (his reaction to his wagon really looked wrong to me yesterday as well as he said his wagon could be some of Ekko’s teammates only to be pointed to look at the wagon again and be forced to admit he town reads almost the entire thing (and certainly the ones driving it)
 

Firstly, let us go over the facts of this case.



Number 1 - Ekko and Lord Melkor were Busdriven with one another last night. We can confirm this through Pot Goblin's action, which was accompanied by a message.
Number 2 - Ekko was targeted by an ability that blocked any negative actions he used. This, of course, includes Destructive abilities. This was sent by Pot.
Number 3 - Ekko was not blocked last night. He confirmed this by pointing out that one ability of his had shown up in the writeup, and the other had not.
Number 4 - Ekko was missing an ability from the writeup. His immediate assumption was that he had been roleblocked. The ability was said to be preventative.

Given the above, we can deduce the following:

Ekko had a specific ability blocked or cancelled, but he was not fully roleblocked.



Now let us make some character deductions.

Ekko strongly believes that he has no mechanical evidence against him. This position is rather strange, given the nature of this game. Surely, one would consider that his thread position was tenuous enough to make him a prime candidate for failing, but alas he truly believes it is impossible.

Throughout my interaction with Ekko, he has continued to probe for information as to the nature of what I purport to have against him. Not once, however, does he opt to call into question my motives. Up until now, he has insisted that there are grounds to suspect me, and even today he appeared to outright claim he suspected me, though would not commit to the position. Despite that though, he hasn't once sought to pull back some thread control around this - he has very much treated me as if I'm town.

Ekko's role appears to be designed to be uncatchable. This, in turn, raises into question his previous position - that the game can be reliably solved through mech. His insistence has been thus - we can win this game by removing indies, and then relying on mechanical information to carry the day. With a town role, allegedly, being able to circumvent all sorts of investigation, surely he could anticipate scum being able to affect that, or even emulate it. It's SRM, after all. His role certainly has negative utility, and I'll admit it even fits his character to create a role that can't be mechanically-cleared, but it also fits his character to create a role that cannot be mechanically-caught. My sole reservation with this is whether Fuji would have allowed it. It's not impossible.

Ekko, lastly, throughout tonight has drip-fed parts of his claim to appeal to players. An example of this can be found wherein he claims to have gifted Pot a cop ability. Why does he gift Pot a cop ability? No one knows. His interlocution strategy has been to attack the character of his opponent - to undermine or insult them, in a way that does not strike me as earned or natural frustration. It's more akin to lashing out, a sign of panic.



And now for the finale, and the detective's deduction.

I have an ability called "Guessing". You can see it in last night's writeup. What this does is allow me to declare a target, and two action types - a primary one, and a secondary one. By action type, I mean, Protective, Preventative, Destructive and so on. If the Primary type matches an ability that my target uses, their action becomes the Secondary type. For example, if I targeted Player Z, a Vigilante, and said "Primary: Destructive" and "Secondary: Protective", the kill shot that the Vigilante sends will instead become a protect.

Last Night, I targeted Lord Melkor with that ability. For the Primary, I chose Investigative. For the Secondary, I chose Destructive. I should note, by restrictions of the game, Destructive here will only include Role Crushing or disabling Passive abilities. Of course, if we follow the evidence we outlined above, that means I actually used my ability on Ekko.

And with this, we now have an explanation for why Ekko's ability did not show up. He used an Investigative ability, and it became Destructive, which caused Pot's action on him to trigger and negate it. Why is this the conclusion? Because we can see that I wasn't blocked. My Guessing is in the writeup. We know Ekko was blocked conditionally. And with this, he would have been targeted by the exact conditions.

And the lie he is in, of course, is that he claims the ability type that was missing was Preventative. In fact, there was nothing Investigative about it.

The second lie he is in is his own claim. By claiming to have used an ability that negates Busdriving on Melkor, he would have negated Melkor's busdrive of himself and Ekko. And if Melkor was immune to negative effects like this, he would have no reason to busdrive himself with Ekko in the first place - he would have wanted to move a kill for example to a player they wouldn't be able to lynch.

All in all, I think we can safely assume there is scum present between Ekko and Melkor. They may even both be scum. In fact, that's what I am currently leaning towards. The mechanical inconsistencies are explained completely through this, and there are no real grounds to suspect further shenanigans.

Q.E.D Ekko is Scum

Simply by the existence of this ability, this level of reasoning was possible for me.
What do you think, everyone?





Vote Lynch Ekkologix

I didn’t need any more convincing but I’ll take it
 

Emil

Certified Memelord
i'll go ahead and do my part by making it easy to follow all my claims so far without full claiming. this is only outlining what i have done so far.

> passive is called Arcana: Hermit - grants me immunity to all cops, as well as permanent ninja to watchers/trackers

> Day 1 used an unclaimed ability - failed and didnt show on WU. hypothesis: likely role blocked

> Night 1 used Emergency Shift on ratchet. this ability does nothing until he is targeted by a kill, upon which it force commutes him. this can stop super kills but not ultra/omega kills (can verify with fooj if needed)

> Day 2 used Active Support on flower. this grants her the ability to perform one double action, provided that she has enough shots for it. rest of the day i was rolecrushed via flower's anchor

> Night 2 used Emergency Shift on indigo and Position Hack on melkor. the latter never showed up on WU.

> Day 3 used Persona: Necronomicon (unlocked after 3 townies die) to make all town's investigative abilities immune to redirections AT THE SOURCE ONLY for 2 cycles. Additionally used Analysis (unlocked after 3 townies die) to gift pot a 1x alignment invest shot

that's all i've done so far this game actions wise. everything here with the exception of the persona was claimed previously, that one directly outs the character flavor so didnt wanna out it before lol

this is NOT a full claim, i still have plenty in the tank and i'll dam right flex about it, but u aint getting a single ounce of it until i feel like

If you want the reason behind any action, you can ask me directly as writing it here wud make the post too long


1- @oddoddfruit
2- @Zolo
3- @Naomi Naomi Killed Night 1 Revived Day 3 Died Day 3
4- @TheAncientCenturion
5- @BakiDou
6- @Hayumi
7- @Flower
8- @Mr. Reloaded Reloaded Lynched Day 2
9- @Ekkologix
10- @Lord Melkor
11- @Mashiro Blue
12- @Sallucion
13- @CakeWalker
14- @The Orca
15- @Pot Goblin
16- @Cubey Replaced by @Jesse Pinkman
17- @Mathias
18- @Charlie
19- @Kiku
20- @T-Pein™
21- @Yoho Yoho Killed Night 1
22- @Random Asshole
23- @Ratchet
24- @Indigo
25- @Luka
26- @Ultra
27- @Psylocke
28- @Dr_Professor83 Prof The Puppet With Multiple Threads Died Day 3
29- @Red Night
30- @Alwaysmind
31- @Polar Bear Polar Bear Lynched Day 1


Subs:

1- @~UwU~
2- @HeWhoHasNoEqual
3- @Michelle
 
1.) I think Reloaded was a detail to save him yesterday (Hayumi particularly I see equity)
2.) Polar Bear had what I feel is a pretty undue town read on him day one. The kind I can see him giving to a scummate
3.) I think his solving has been very linear (his reaction to his wagon really looked wrong to me yesterday as well as he said his wagon could be some of Ekko’s teammates only to be pointed to look at the wagon again and be forced to admit he town reads almost the entire thing (and certainly the ones driving it)
Maybe, I just don't see it. He tried to help me though late in that ordeal, claimed the hit, and some decent towny moves. Seems like his normal town self. Could be scum though I guess. Point 2 imo points to him being mafia red or town imo

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Amor a Luna!
 

Emil

Certified Memelord
Yeah but you see, your legacy seems completely delusional to me. As Town, I helped lynch Polar Day 1 - flipped Scum. Would have been the main component behind lynching Melkor Day 2, you also think he's scum. So up until now, I'm basically at 100%. Yet you think I'm leading the town off track for some reason, just because I want you lynched too. At best, it's the classic low-tier OMGUS. You haven't given any useful town reads or scum reads. You haven't contributed beyond telling us to lynch Indies. Yet apparently you think the burden of evidence to lynch you needs to be extremely high as if you're indisputably town. It just isn't grounded in reality.

I'll be frank - if you're town I'm forced to accept that all of this is genuine, and then I'm disappointed in you on a personal level. Not for the first time in recent mo ths - I hope you fix whatever is affecting you like so because theis sort of behaviour won't be accepted for much longer. So yeah I do hope you're scum, if not you really ought to be looking inward at what kind of person you want to be.
its very genuine
my track record has been voting non town every day
my actions shud tell u who i think is town and who i dont, its not really rocket science

giving flower double action day 2, protecting u n1 and indigo n2, giving pot an alignment invest shot day 3

what about u, have u recently given town reads?

ie admittetdly said i didn't comb through like 40% of the player list in detail, but i have surface level reads based on playing live and u agree with alot of them being in melkor hayumi TAC and idr if u agree with kiku or not, shes my weakest possible scum read and can easily see her town

even ultra im starting to see him as scum and u agree with that read as well to certain degree

ur just difficult to work with because u make it so, everything needs a reason for you when thats far from the reality of things. u live in a perfect world and expect people to live there with you and i think thats boring

also ur totally approaching me in bad faith, and prof is posturing like a total idiot, i wonder what his response will be to the flip after the clown display today. as i mentioned i'll start playing eventually but when i do you consider it even harder to work with lmao. it was better to just remain inactive and shitposting then

and ur trying to sus me for things ive already talked about today and claimed willingly. u havent sat down to think why'd i for instance lie about my ability and say its preventative when it's investigative. there is absolutely 0 thing scummy about investing melkor. i didnt do it cuz i dont have an invest. i help people use their mech, thats what i do. i made it so melkor cannot busdrive

i say in mech we trust because my role is designed to help increase town's success chances with mech, not your low level fodder shit
 
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