Versus Battle Hunter x Hunter vs One Piece
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-Plot: OP (It's way better than the main focus of HxH. Searching for Ging is boring and, at the end, time lost because you can found him without anything special).
-Main characters: OP (HxH main cast is really boring when they are together, and I never saw Leorio as a friend of Killua. They have some moments, but that's all).
-Side characters: OP (Usually, HxH is a static wolrd and nothing changes if Gon or Killua are not present. Yorkshin is an exception, that's probably what makes it the better arc).
-Villains: Tie, I guess. I like Meruem, Chrollo and Hisoka, but I also like the WG as a powerful organization. Anyway, I think Doflamingo, Crocodile and Akainu are also some good representations of a villain. Also, even when Meruem is probably the best villain between the two mangas, Doffy is not so far of him. I have my list like this: Meruem>Doflamingo>>Crocodile>Hisoka>>>Chrollo
-Character designs: OP
-Power system: HxH way more complex, but it also has a lot of holes and the tipical DEM (Shenlong, I mean, Nanika).
-Story arcs: OP
-Incorporation of themes: OP
-Art: OP, Togashi draw with the ass in HxH and he don't wants to use assitants so I don't care if he is sick or something. It is his choice waste a lot of time feeling bad.
-Imagery: I don't know
-Panelling: OP, in general HxH's manga is a huge shit.
-Originality: OP
-World building: OP (Tbh, HxH probably has one of the worst WB that I have never seen).
-Characterization: OP
-Enjoyment: OP
In general, HxH is really overrated for me
Chimera ants is really an excellent arc, but at the end Togashi also writes a two pieces of dog shit: Greed Island and President Arc. And his main cast is always separate, I really don't remember that HxH has 4 protagonist until we see Leorio again after 20 or more chapters. At this point, one of the 4 protagonist (after 390 chapters) has never an own Character Arc... Yeah, yeah, Leorio punching Ging was cool, but I can name a lot of better moments of Usopp and he at leats had his own introduction arc.
I can't ignore how convenient this "adventure" manga is. After the first arc, two childs already have a Plot Card that let them win millionaire sums of money and with some of gyo you can also farm money. I mean, where is the adventure with a liscense so convenient that let you make almost anything in this world?
Also, even when the Nen is a really complex and interesting power system, I can't ignore his implimentation in the world. Like, why is this a secret? lol They even have an arena when they show fights between Nen users and talk about an magic videogame in TV. How is this a secret?
And Gon is probably one of the worst protagonist that I have never seen. He was really cliche in the most of the arcs, but the Chimer Ants looked like it could change REALLY fast... But, no problem! We revive Kite, you can eventually get back your Nen and also you find Gin without doing anything! Yaaay! And everyone acts like if Gon was not going to kill a little child Lol it's like if Togashi was really scared or so coward to make a change.
And don't misunderstanding me. Oda has his own problems, but Togashi is way more inconsistent in the quality of his manga... Now, this new arc looks interesting. Dark continent expedition arc is probably the best idea... but now I see a problem with this... maybe is only my idea, but I can't stop thinking this...
What's the point? Gon is not going to come back? Is he never going to be in the DC? I mean, he has to return. Gyro basically confirmed it
So this new arc is probably going to end in disaster and Togashi is losing a LOOOT of time in this royal family of Kakim when all of them is already dead. I have my hopes in Kurapika and his revenge arc against the spider. But I'm really bored about the royal family for now.
Also, the Hunter Association don't has any sense xDD Why all the governments in the world let a lot of people had so much benefits when most of them are a piece of shit? Also, a lot of them also can be crimminals. Hisoka, Illumi, Seaquant, Shalnark, are basically serial killers and showed intetions to even kill antoher hunters without justification and the Assosiation don't make anything. Even Hisoka says it directly to Netero... I mean, if this was a private organization, maybe I can understand it, but this is just not showing good results... And even if not all their members are killers, how many of them only win the liscence to sell it? Or die even before to learn some basic thing about Nen? Just like Pokkle. In short, the license provides too many benefits for most of its members to be so mediocre.
-Main characters: OP (HxH main cast is really boring when they are together, and I never saw Leorio as a friend of Killua. They have some moments, but that's all).
-Side characters: OP (Usually, HxH is a static wolrd and nothing changes if Gon or Killua are not present. Yorkshin is an exception, that's probably what makes it the better arc).
-Villains: Tie, I guess. I like Meruem, Chrollo and Hisoka, but I also like the WG as a powerful organization. Anyway, I think Doflamingo, Crocodile and Akainu are also some good representations of a villain. Also, even when Meruem is probably the best villain between the two mangas, Doffy is not so far of him. I have my list like this: Meruem>Doflamingo>>Crocodile>Hisoka>>>Chrollo
-Character designs: OP
-Power system: HxH way more complex, but it also has a lot of holes and the tipical DEM (Shenlong, I mean, Nanika).
-Story arcs: OP
-Incorporation of themes: OP
-Art: OP, Togashi draw with the ass in HxH and he don't wants to use assitants so I don't care if he is sick or something. It is his choice waste a lot of time feeling bad.
-Imagery: I don't know
-Panelling: OP, in general HxH's manga is a huge shit.
-Originality: OP
-World building: OP (Tbh, HxH probably has one of the worst WB that I have never seen).
-Characterization: OP
-Enjoyment: OP
In general, HxH is really overrated for me
Chimera ants is really an excellent arc, but at the end Togashi also writes a two pieces of dog shit: Greed Island and President Arc. And his main cast is always separate, I really don't remember that HxH has 4 protagonist until we see Leorio again after 20 or more chapters. At this point, one of the 4 protagonist (after 390 chapters) has never an own Character Arc... Yeah, yeah, Leorio punching Ging was cool, but I can name a lot of better moments of Usopp and he at leats had his own introduction arc.
I can't ignore how convenient this "adventure" manga is. After the first arc, two childs already have a Plot Card that let them win millionaire sums of money and with some of gyo you can also farm money. I mean, where is the adventure with a liscense so convenient that let you make almost anything in this world?
Also, even when the Nen is a really complex and interesting power system, I can't ignore his implimentation in the world. Like, why is this a secret? lol They even have an arena when they show fights between Nen users and talk about an magic videogame in TV. How is this a secret?
And Gon is probably one of the worst protagonist that I have never seen. He was really cliche in the most of the arcs, but the Chimer Ants looked like it could change REALLY fast... But, no problem! We revive Kite, you can eventually get back your Nen and also you find Gin without doing anything! Yaaay! And everyone acts like if Gon was not going to kill a little child Lol it's like if Togashi was really scared or so coward to make a change.
And don't misunderstanding me. Oda has his own problems, but Togashi is way more inconsistent in the quality of his manga... Now, this new arc looks interesting. Dark continent expedition arc is probably the best idea... but now I see a problem with this... maybe is only my idea, but I can't stop thinking this...
What's the point? Gon is not going to come back? Is he never going to be in the DC? I mean, he has to return. Gyro basically confirmed it
So this new arc is probably going to end in disaster and Togashi is losing a LOOOT of time in this royal family of Kakim when all of them is already dead. I have my hopes in Kurapika and his revenge arc against the spider. But I'm really bored about the royal family for now.Also, the Hunter Association don't has any sense xDD Why all the governments in the world let a lot of people had so much benefits when most of them are a piece of shit? Also, a lot of them also can be crimminals. Hisoka, Illumi, Seaquant, Shalnark, are basically serial killers and showed intetions to even kill antoher hunters without justification and the Assosiation don't make anything. Even Hisoka says it directly to Netero... I mean, if this was a private organization, maybe I can understand it, but this is just not showing good results... And even if not all their members are killers, how many of them only win the liscence to sell it? Or die even before to learn some basic thing about Nen? Just like Pokkle. In short, the license provides too many benefits for most of its members to be so mediocre.
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Finished rewatching/rereading hxh and saw this thread.
Looks like a good time to answer.
-Plot
One piece
Hxh arcs are more self contained don't really connect from arc to arc as much compared to OP.
Which isn't bad it fits HxH perfectly but I just prefer OPs way of doing it.
The goal of the MC's/Hiatuses does weight into it too.
-Main characters
If it were pre skip luffy it'd consider it and probably pick him but the drop off is huuuge post time skip so I'm going with HxH for this.
-Side characters
OP
HxH most interesting side characters are villians
The other good ones aren't shown as much and killua can't make up that much ground tbh compared to the straw hats.
CA arc picks it up with Knuckle and the ๐ Morel.
-Villains
HxH
Not really close imo I'd consider pariston better than all of OPs.
-Character designs
OP
-Power system
HxH.
Not close at all especially with how bad haki is and how good nen is.
-Story arcs
HxH
Yorknew and CA are just better than Marineford and alabasta (Favorite OP arcs) for me.
-Incorporation of themes
HxH
Nika exists.
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-Art
OP
-Imagery
? I guess OP
-Panelling
HxH
-Originality
Just because YYH exists and some of the themes/characters can be carried over into HxH I'd go OP
-World building
OP
Can change depending on how togashi writes the dark continent arc whenever we get it.
-Characterization
HxH
Gon decent into what he became dwarfs most of luffys development.
-Enjoyment
Leaning towards OP
Mostly cause hiatuses damper alot of HxH discussions, lack of doubt when it come to HxH being finished at this point and the world of OP being more developed rn.
Looks like a good time to answer.
-Plot
One piece
Hxh arcs are more self contained don't really connect from arc to arc as much compared to OP.
Which isn't bad it fits HxH perfectly but I just prefer OPs way of doing it.
The goal of the MC's/Hiatuses does weight into it too.
-Main characters
If it were pre skip luffy it'd consider it and probably pick him but the drop off is huuuge post time skip so I'm going with HxH for this.
-Side characters
OP
HxH most interesting side characters are villians
The other good ones aren't shown as much and killua can't make up that much ground tbh compared to the straw hats.
CA arc picks it up with Knuckle and the ๐ Morel.
-Villains
HxH
Not really close imo I'd consider pariston better than all of OPs.
-Character designs
OP
-Power system
HxH.
Not close at all especially with how bad haki is and how good nen is.
-Story arcs
HxH
Yorknew and CA are just better than Marineford and alabasta (Favorite OP arcs) for me.
-Incorporation of themes
HxH
Nika exists.
๐คฎ
-Art
OP
-Imagery
? I guess OP
-Panelling
HxH
-Originality
Just because YYH exists and some of the themes/characters can be carried over into HxH I'd go OP
-World building
OP
Can change depending on how togashi writes the dark continent arc whenever we get it.
-Characterization
HxH
Gon decent into what he became dwarfs most of luffys development.
-Enjoyment
Leaning towards OP
Mostly cause hiatuses damper alot of HxH discussions, lack of doubt when it come to HxH being finished at this point and the world of OP being more developed rn.
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Whoever says that Nen is a better power system, can they gladly explain to me why?
People do whatever the fuck they want, Chimera Ants learn it just by "GOD CHOSEN POWER" but lose because there is an atomic bomb.
6 Specialisation but to this day I don't see how they are any different. He says they are different but in the practical act they work just the same.
An Enhancer and a specialsit and a conjurer may do different things with a glass ofo water but in the end is Chi from Dragon Ball + Powers, which is a staple since always, from Saint Seya, Jojo's Stand, One Piece Fruits, Naruto's Jutsus and so on.
People do whatever the fuck they want, Chimera Ants learn it just by "GOD CHOSEN POWER" but lose because there is an atomic bomb.
6 Specialisation but to this day I don't see how they are any different. He says they are different but in the practical act they work just the same.
An Enhancer and a specialsit and a conjurer may do different things with a glass ofo water but in the end is Chi from Dragon Ball + Powers, which is a staple since always, from Saint Seya, Jojo's Stand, One Piece Fruits, Naruto's Jutsus and so on.
Replying to me?
Mostly just a preference thing
Don't think nen is revolutionary like other HxH fans but it does serve the verse well enough that there aren't many plot holes aside from the ca arc and weaker/tactical fighters can be interesting which is something I prefer.
That and Haki is just bland and terrible
-Don't even know what version is being used half the time which creates many inconsistencies.
-Has one in a million trope which is conveniently the greatest variation of it you can have.
-Does what ca arc did to nen but worse
Actively destroying it's interesting power system (DFs) just for the betterment of the top tiers in the verse
If it were just df vs nen it'd a lot closer
Mostly just a preference thing
Don't think nen is revolutionary like other HxH fans but it does serve the verse well enough that there aren't many plot holes aside from the ca arc and weaker/tactical fighters can be interesting which is something I prefer.
That and Haki is just bland and terrible
-Don't even know what version is being used half the time which creates many inconsistencies.
-Has one in a million trope which is conveniently the greatest variation of it you can have.
-Does what ca arc did to nen but worse
Actively destroying it's interesting power system (DFs) just for the betterment of the top tiers in the verse
If it were just df vs nen it'd a lot closer
The complicated but well thought out build of nen makes it the best.
Not merely the nen types which offer unique and thought provoking fights; but the way to train nen is phenomenally written. The four exercises are a great introduction:
Ten - Learn to build an aura
Zetsu - Learn to close aura
Ren - Learn to amplify aura
Hatsu - Releasing Nen into an ability
Beyond that thereโs the combination of these abilities:
Gyo - Focusing Ren into one portion of the body to strengthen that part
In - Making oneโs aura imperceptible through Zetsu
En - Using ren to amplify your aura over a long distance then using ten to keep its shape creating a domain of aura with heightened senses
Shu - Using Ten on objects
Ko - Another application of Ren and Ten where Ren is used to empower your ten to amplify your protective aura
Finally Ko - Utilizes all four principles plus Gyo. Gyo to focus your aura in one body part, ren to amplify it, ten to keep it there, Zetsu to cut off aura everywhere else on the body and maximize aura here
However, despite nen getting more complicated with the applications everything breaks down to the basic principles of it and just explains how those principles work in combat and practice.
Then it goes beyond that with Hatsu where you release techniques based on a natural type which makes the fights more unique and where most of the fights come down to figuring out the opponents Nen ability because theyโre all so different. Not sure how you can say an enhancers fighting style and a comjurers are at all similarโฆ
Not merely the nen types which offer unique and thought provoking fights; but the way to train nen is phenomenally written. The four exercises are a great introduction:
Ten - Learn to build an aura
Zetsu - Learn to close aura
Ren - Learn to amplify aura
Hatsu - Releasing Nen into an ability
Beyond that thereโs the combination of these abilities:
Gyo - Focusing Ren into one portion of the body to strengthen that part
In - Making oneโs aura imperceptible through Zetsu
En - Using ren to amplify your aura over a long distance then using ten to keep its shape creating a domain of aura with heightened senses
Shu - Using Ten on objects
Ko - Another application of Ren and Ten where Ren is used to empower your ten to amplify your protective aura
Finally Ko - Utilizes all four principles plus Gyo. Gyo to focus your aura in one body part, ren to amplify it, ten to keep it there, Zetsu to cut off aura everywhere else on the body and maximize aura here
However, despite nen getting more complicated with the applications everything breaks down to the basic principles of it and just explains how those principles work in combat and practice.
Then it goes beyond that with Hatsu where you release techniques based on a natural type which makes the fights more unique and where most of the fights come down to figuring out the opponents Nen ability because theyโre all so different. Not sure how you can say an enhancers fighting style and a comjurers are at all similarโฆ
HxH powersystem being so varied gives it's author to write fights like a "chess match", where you need to analyze what your opponent is doing and counter it with a move of your own.
It is not just a contest of who has the strongest attack or willpower.
Fights in HxH or even Jujutsu Kaisen (similar power system) are better than OP imo.
It is not just a contest of who has the strongest attack or willpower.
Fights in HxH or even Jujutsu Kaisen (similar power system) are better than OP imo.
I read a lot of words, giving a name to what really doesn't need a name in any other manga.
All the things you describe are already in Dragonball, to use a precedent and widely available exemple, and it's the Chi.
They can accumulate it, hide it, amplify and use it to do energy attacks. (Ten, Zetsu, Ren and Hatsu).
Gyo, In, En , Shu and Ko are more of the same.
It's all nice and fluffy, but I don't see how this is any way shape or form any different from the Chi, which is a well enstablished concept event outside of Manga.
A good power system in my opinion is Jojo, which HxH uses as a blatant and clear inspiration, where the Ripple or Hamon is literally Nen, and the Stand is literally the Nen power.
I don't say that Enhancers and Conjurer are the same, but they are ALMOST the same.
Want a difference in powers? Devil Fruits, or even better, Stands are 10 times more different.
Take any fight in part 5,6,7,8 and you'll find many more differences.
Because every single fight in HxH ends up with punching each other anyway, which is not true for Jojo.
All the things you describe are already in Dragonball, to use a precedent and widely available exemple, and it's the Chi.
They can accumulate it, hide it, amplify and use it to do energy attacks. (Ten, Zetsu, Ren and Hatsu).
Gyo, In, En , Shu and Ko are more of the same.
It's all nice and fluffy, but I don't see how this is any way shape or form any different from the Chi, which is a well enstablished concept event outside of Manga.
A good power system in my opinion is Jojo, which HxH uses as a blatant and clear inspiration, where the Ripple or Hamon is literally Nen, and the Stand is literally the Nen power.
I don't say that Enhancers and Conjurer are the same, but they are ALMOST the same.
Want a difference in powers? Devil Fruits, or even better, Stands are 10 times more different.
Take any fight in part 5,6,7,8 and you'll find many more differences.
Because every single fight in HxH ends up with punching each other anyway, which is not true for Jojo.
Existing and explaining are two different things. Just because theyโre similar doesnโt mean itโs done a billion times better in HxH because of how the nen system is explained.
Goku can read minds, how? The answer of because chi just causes more questions and doesnโt explain shit. But any application of Nen is explained fully.
And so are you seriously saying Kurapikas fighting style and gons fighting style are the same and them being different types doesnโt matter?
Goku can read minds, how? The answer of because chi just causes more questions and doesnโt explain shit. But any application of Nen is explained fully.
And so are you seriously saying Kurapikas fighting style and gons fighting style are the same and them being different types doesnโt matter?
Explanation of something that doesn't really need it to make it look different from something that already is well enstablished in the medium is.. Weird. I appreciate it, but as I said, I find it fluffy. Especially when it can be handwaved away because Specialists can do whatever they want, and most of HxH fighters still rely in CQC plus some weird power that empowers their CQC. Again, Jojo is a perfect example of a Manga where having no CQC capabilities can still make you one of strongest people in the world just because your power is so smartly written and used.
And the explanation is in my opinion extremely redundant.
You are cherry picking one instance of dubious use of an ability that ends up being meaningless in the great scheme of things, while the Chi system of Dragonball is simple and perfect. It's aura, you can read intentions of people from their aura, Namek is all around how reading aura and percieving it is key while android are tricky specially because they have no aura. Please, it's much more relevant than any instance of Gyo, that except the fight between Gon and Hisoka ends up being completely irrelevant, just like most of the Nen differences who end up being conflated in "the power", the only relevant thing.
I don't know whose posts you are reading, while I say that they are "ALMOST" the same. And Gon has barely any Nen powers as the only power he was capable of doing was STRONG PUNCH and CUTTING PUNCH.
The system is wildly bizarre where Kurapika has from the get go something like 5 powers while takes Gon and Killua 1 year to barely develop one.
And I am not talking about the self promise about using it only agaisnt spiders, because that is cool. What I am talking is that for him to develop chains, promise, emperor time and others it takes him something like 3 months while Killua and Gon take 2 years or something to do barely anything with their powers.
Not to talk about that the frightening Spiders have barely any cool abilities with a woman that her only power is shooting memory bullets, while Kurapika can basically do whatever he wants after 6 months. And Kurta eyes allowing this has 0 canonically explanation others than "it does it".
Just to wrap this up, if you think that Kurapika and Gon are different, check Catch the Rainbow in Jojo, Chocolate disco, or even Fun Fun Fun in Jojolion.
And the explanation is in my opinion extremely redundant.
You are cherry picking one instance of dubious use of an ability that ends up being meaningless in the great scheme of things, while the Chi system of Dragonball is simple and perfect. It's aura, you can read intentions of people from their aura, Namek is all around how reading aura and percieving it is key while android are tricky specially because they have no aura. Please, it's much more relevant than any instance of Gyo, that except the fight between Gon and Hisoka ends up being completely irrelevant, just like most of the Nen differences who end up being conflated in "the power", the only relevant thing.
I don't know whose posts you are reading, while I say that they are "ALMOST" the same. And Gon has barely any Nen powers as the only power he was capable of doing was STRONG PUNCH and CUTTING PUNCH.
The system is wildly bizarre where Kurapika has from the get go something like 5 powers while takes Gon and Killua 1 year to barely develop one.
And I am not talking about the self promise about using it only agaisnt spiders, because that is cool. What I am talking is that for him to develop chains, promise, emperor time and others it takes him something like 3 months while Killua and Gon take 2 years or something to do barely anything with their powers.
Not to talk about that the frightening Spiders have barely any cool abilities with a woman that her only power is shooting memory bullets, while Kurapika can basically do whatever he wants after 6 months. And Kurta eyes allowing this has 0 canonically explanation others than "it does it".
Just to wrap this up, if you think that Kurapika and Gon are different, check Catch the Rainbow in Jojo, Chocolate disco, or even Fun Fun Fun in Jojolion.
-Plot: HXH
-Main characters: HXH
-Side characters: OP
-Villains: HXH
-Character designs: HXH
-Power system: HXH
-Story arcs: HXH
-Incorporation of themes: Cant choose
-Art: HXH
-Imagery: Dunno what this is supposed to be
-Panelling: HXH
-Originality: Both
-World building: OP
-Characterization: HXH
-Enjoyment: HXH
-Main characters: HXH
-Side characters: OP
-Villains: HXH
-Character designs: HXH
-Power system: HXH
-Story arcs: HXH
-Incorporation of themes: Cant choose
-Art: HXH
-Imagery: Dunno what this is supposed to be
-Panelling: HXH
-Originality: Both
-World building: OP
-Characterization: HXH
-Enjoyment: HXH
- More fleshed and defined rules
- Despite having more rules, it's still more free in terms of the abilities you can make, leading to me unique and USEFUL abilities you can make.
- Nen abilities reflect the user's personality so much, it can be used to strengthen the story themes and can even characterize certain people within the story.
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HxH art shits on OP
One piece came out weekly for 30 years.
HxH comes occasionally out, in the same timespam it's a third of the length.
And a number of HxH chapters had to be completely redone because Togashi sent scribbles instead of drawings when put under deadlines.
