General & Others I thought when Kaido turned hybrid it was going to one shot city, what happened?

- Better combat reflexes, at least when Kaido launched Boro Breath and Zoro saw it coming faster
Thunder Bauga>Boro breath
Luffy can react and dodge that
- By far better AP potential to our current knowledge at least (Hiryuu Kaen being far from its best output) whilst Luffy merely not using KKG
Its slow enough for dragon kaido to dodge it
Luffy ap can knock kaido down for several panels, zoro has yet to demonstrate that
 

Cinera

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2nd, it was clear that Oda wasn't gonna offpanel the SNs vs Yonko.

SNs have plot relevance, and Plot>>> Powerlevels in one piece.

There was no way they would get offpaneled or One shot.
But Oda did off panel the SN vs the Yonkou. The SN have been fighting the Yonkou for 30 minutes+ off panel.


@MonsterKaido, @Red Admiral: I don't understand why you keep bringing up Kaido oneshotting Pre Udon Boundman? That was a significantly weaker version of Luffy than Kaido is facing now. Base Kaido already failed to oneshot Base Luffy with Thunder Bagua:


He landed Thunder Bagua on Luffy's face, and he still couldn't even temporarily KO him.
 
But Oda did off panel the SN vs the Yonkou. The SN have been fighting the Yonkou for 30 minutes+ off panel.


@MonsterKaido, @Red Admiral: I don't understand why you keep bringing up Kaido oneshotting Pre Udon Boundman? That was a significantly weaker version of Luffy than Kaido is facing now. Base Kaido already failed to oneshot Base Luffy with Thunder Bagua:


He landed Thunder Bagua on Luffy's face, and he still couldn't even temporarily KO him.
When do we keep bring it up? In which context?..........I always say law/luffy has means others don't...........Plus we don't know if this is haki less luffy or not otherwise why not go g4............
 

Cinera

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Plus we don't know if this is haki less luffy or not otherwise why not go g4............
Luffy has haki. He's not using G4 for the same reason Zoro isn't using Santoryu, both are conserving their strength/stamina.


I don't get this KO'd narrative. Kaido transformed into his hybrid form saying that the fight with the supernovas was going to be fun. That sounds like a beast taking his sweet time with his prey.
Because your question is wrong........there is a difference between can they do it if they tried to their fullest or they are enjoying the battle lol.......in chapter 1003 kaido said this is very fun too...........in chapter 1001 he said he wanted to test them lol................you are the one who is full of agendas creating the thread lol........its easy to see who is the retarded one here
Kaidou hasnt begin to attack seriously yet in his hybrid imo.
The idea that Kaido is playing around with the Supernova or otherwise not seriously trying to kill them is alternative history.

At the end of Chapter 1001, the Yonkou declared their intent to kill the Supernova and that doing so shall place them "that much closer" to becoming the Pirate King.

Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Mama sneak attacked Luffy while he was recovering from Kaido's Thunder Bagua?

Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Kaido did the same?

Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Mama sneak attacked Killer with Indra:



Or when she did the same to Zoro?

Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Kaido tried to chomp on Killer while he was temporarily out of commission?

Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Mama tried to behead Luffy while he was immobile?

Or when she tried again?

Or when Kaido tried to chomp on the immobile Luffy?


The Yonkou have been seriously trying to kill the Supernova. Just because they haven't succeeded doesn't mean you can claim they were only playing with their food. If they were indeed just playing around, they would never have resorted to sneak attacks or trying to catch the SN off guard. They wouldn't have relentlessly gone after Luffy when he was unable to defend himself.

Hell, most of the Yonkou's attacks on the Supernova have been on a Supernova that was:
  • Off guard, disoriented
    • Mama's Heavenly Fire at post-Thunder Bagua Luffy
    • Kaido's club swing at post-Thunder Bagua Luffy
  • Out of commission
    • Kaido trying to chomp Killer after Mama temporarily KOed him with Indra
  • Immobile
    • Mama's Motherly Fire at post-Boundman Luffy
    • Mama's off panel attack at post-Boundman Luffy
    • Kaido chomping on post-Boundman Luffy
  • Sneak attacks
    • Mama's Indra at Killer while he was focused on Kaido.
    • Mama's Indra at Zoro while he was focused on Kaido.

That's not the attitude of people that are playing with their opponents or otherwise trying to prolong their suffering. The Yonkou were dead serious while trying to kill the Supernova. They were just simply unable to defeat them with the level of strength they had been using. As a result, they powered up (Kaido used his Hybrid form, Mama used all her three homies and fused with Prometheus); they were still unable to kill the Supernova.

The idea that the Yonkou were not trying to kill them since they powered up is just bad fanfiction — the Yonkou were simply not strong enough to do so.
 
Luffy has haki. He's not using G4 for the same reason Zoro isn't using Santoryu, both are conserving their strength/stamina.


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So? That proves my point of luffy using fs..........
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Luffy has haki. He's not using G4 for the same reason Zoro isn't using Santoryu, both are conserving their strength/stamina.





The idea that Kaido is playing around with the Supernova or otherwise not seriously trying to kill them is alternative history.

At the end of Chapter 1001, the Yonkou declared their intent to kill the Supernova and that doing so shall place them "that much closer" to becoming the Pirate King.

Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Mama sneak attacked Luffy while he was recovering from Kaido's Thunder Bagua?

Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Kaido did the same?

Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Mama sneak attacked Killer with Indra:



Or when she did the same to Zoro?

Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Kaido tried to chomp on Killer while he was temporarily out of commission?

Where was the Yonkou's supposed attitude of playing with their food when Mama tried to behead Luffy while he was immobile?

Or when she tried again?

Or when Kaido tried to chomp on the immobile Luffy?


The Yonkou have been seriously trying to kill the Supernova. Just because they haven't succeeded doesn't mean you can claim they were only playing with their food. If they were indeed just playing around, they would never have resorted to sneak attacks or trying to catch the SN off guard. They wouldn't have relentlessly gone after Luffy when he was unable to defend himself.

Hell, most of the Yonkou's attacks on the Supernova have been on a Supernova that was:
  • Off guard, disoriented
    • Mama's Heavenly Fire at post-Thunder Bagua Luffy
    • Kaido's club swing at post-Thunder Bagua Luffy
  • Out of commission
    • Kaido trying to chomp Killer after Mama temporarily KOed him with Indra
  • Immobile
    • Mama's Motherly Fire at post-Boundman Luffy
    • Mama's off panel attack at post-Boundman Luffy
    • Kaido chomping on post-Boundman Luffy
  • Sneak attacks
    • Mama's Indra at Killer while he was focused on Kaido.
    • Mama's Indra at Zoro while he was focused on Kaido.

That's not the attitude of people that are playing with their opponents or otherwise trying to prolong their suffering. The Yonkou were dead serious while trying to kill the Supernova. They were just simply unable to defeat them with the level of strength they had been using. As a result, they powered up (Kaido used his Hybrid form, Mama used all her three homies and fused with Prometheus); they were still unable to kill the Supernova.

The idea that the Yonkou were not trying to kill them since they powered up is just bad fanfiction — the Yonkou were simply not strong enough to do so.
You can right essays about it but its meaningless soon we will see on panel SN's performs against them................I can right essays too on how kaido's personality of how he enjoys the fight too..............plus PIS is a thing in one piece.........I will see with my own eyes SN's tanking thunder bagua and only then believe it.............
 
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Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
The Lonkos are being protected by plot armour, Its clear oda is stalling their inevitable downfall by plot because he wants to wrap the doom fights before that.
Zkk as soon as the fights under wrap up.
Of course, out of fairness though, I must admit that Big Mom is still treated atrociously, but nevertheless the way Kizaru was treated on MF as I explained, embodied even worse.
 
Just wait until King and Queen pull out hybrid and one shot Marco :ihaha:
Queen is busy getting smacked by Chopper :moonwalk:

Honestly, I NEVER thought I would say this, but as a SANJI FAN, I WILL NOT have any issue if Sanji was off-screen for the entire of the arc without a fight, because not a single beast pirate looks formidable to me or worthy of his time currently (excluding Kaido of course)... but for real, I'd rather Sanji have some plot with CP0 or Vegapunk during last bit of the arc than freaking the atrocities abomination that are called "beast pirates"... they are so trash I can't even digest how bad they are!
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Queen is busy getting smacked by Chopper :moonwalk:

Honestly, I NEVER thought I would say this, but as a SANJI FAN, I WILL NOT have any issue if Sanji was off-screen for the entire of the arc without a fight, because not a single beast pirate looks formidable to me or worthy of his time currently (excluding Kaido of course)... but for real, I'd rather Sanji have some plot with CP0 or Vegapunk during last bit of the arc than freaking the atrocities abomination that are called "beast pirates"... they are so trash I can't even digest how bad they are!
@Chrono
 
Queen is busy getting smacked by Chopper :moonwalk:

Honestly, I NEVER thought I would say this, but as a SANJI FAN, I WILL NOT have any issue if Sanji was off-screen for the entire of the arc without a fight, because not a single beast pirate looks formidable to me or worthy of his time currently (excluding Kaido of course)... but for real, I'd rather Sanji have some plot with CP0 or Vegapunk during last bit of the arc than freaking the atrocities abomination that are called "beast pirates"... they are so trash I can't even digest how bad they are!
Relax. King doesn't look bad. And Queen literally healed from Marco's talon attack in a chap. The Calamities don't look bad and they haven't even entered Hybrid. King is an amazing opponent for Sanji and the best he and any SH would ever get solo so far.
 
Queen is busy getting smacked by Chopper :moonwalk:

Honestly, I NEVER thought I would say this, but as a SANJI FAN, I WILL NOT have any issue if Sanji was off-screen for the entire of the arc without a fight, because not a single beast pirate looks formidable to me or worthy of his time currently (excluding Kaido of course)... but for real, I'd rather Sanji have some plot with CP0 or Vegapunk during last bit of the arc than freaking the atrocities abomination that are called "beast pirates"... they are so trash I can't even digest how bad they are!
Nah.........PIS is PIS nothing you can do about it..........queen being a complete buffoon/tama having animal control ability and so on.........BP have 20000 members highest of any crew..........WB had 1650.........BM has 200 or something..........and gifters are decent fodders..........they also have 10000 samurais as allies

Base king cut marco's flames.................he still have to use his fire abilities as wildfire plus also belongs to unique race + hybrid form
Queen looks clean after taking marco's attack + have science stuff + poison gas and so on....
Jack is a tank
Who's who is fighting jimbei and so on
 
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