This does not make sense to me do you think prime wb used his fruit to perfection??? If so why do we have this panel with him not using his fruit what so ever in a clash between him and roger??? Law who mind you is not a spectacular haki user can use his haki to nullify df powers ...Law with one of the most busted df powers himself can not move yonkos because HAKI TO STRONG!!!Everyone won't have the same abilities that's why we have dfs which will be used in tandem with haki kaido said ABILITIES ALONE CAN NOT CONQUER THE WORLD but abilities plus haki or in rogers case haki alone can conquer the world.Kaido said only a handful of the very strongest can infuse there attacks with supreme king haki this is what will separate the strong from the very strongest, and yes its kaidos opinion but what is it based on???Roger the freaking pirate king who conquered and stood at the top without any abilities. The very stongest people in the verse should be using coc coating for heavens sake lol oda gave it to yamato and yet you want to argue that bb,and the admirals won't be among those people that seems absolutely weird to me... to think that oda has never shown wb ability buffed by adv coc in story and how crazy it could be and think that oda won't show this through bb is weird af to me.
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No I don’t think Prime WB awakened his DF.
And your misconstruing Kaidos quote “Only a handful of the strongest” means there are other members of the strongest who do not use CoC coating. And that’s clear with how Blackbeard is portrayed. Blackbeard uses devil fruits as his primary power set.
And Law showed that certain hax abilities can be countered through haki; however do you think it’s just a coincidence that oda showed haki split the heavens but devil fruits split the earth?
And your misconstruing Kaidos quote “Only a handful of the strongest” means there are other members of the strongest who do not use CoC coating. And that’s clear with how Blackbeard is portrayed. Blackbeard uses devil fruits as his primary power set.
And Law showed that certain hax abilities can be countered through haki; however do you think it’s just a coincidence that oda showed haki split the heavens but devil fruits split the earth?
What am i misconstruing??? Kaidos quote is as follows:
ONLY A HANDFUL OF THE VERY STRONGEST CAN use coc coating attacks. For some reason twice now when you say this statement you leave out VERY and you say only a handful of the strongest. Kaidos use of very is important to his statement to luffy of course there are members of the strongest who do not use adv coc to disagree with this is to disagree with rayleighs own words:
katakuri for example is one of the mightiest people in the world by rayleighs own words because of his ability to see the future,so is post wci luffy who has the ability to see the future but they are not in a tier of the very strongest the divider the separation between mightiest/strongest and very strongest is decided by those handful of people that can use adv coc and those that can not.
Not sure what you are arguing with your final statement here:And Law showed that certain hax abilities can be countered through haki; however do you think it’s just a coincidence that oda showed haki split the heavens but devil fruits split the earth?
What i have been arguing for is for bb, and admirals to have both abilities as oda has established abilities alone can not make you the very strongest, you talk about haki splitting heavens but df splitting the earth but what do you get when you have both akainu df ability plus adv coc,luffy df ability plus adv coc,admirals df ability plus adv coc,bb df abilities plus adv coc ??? You will get the very strongest people not just the strongest/mightiest who are capped at there df being maxed out and at best there haki being advanced coa( admirals using barrier haki to stop wb).
Not sure what you are arguing with your final statement here:And Law showed that certain hax abilities can be countered through haki; however do you think it’s just a coincidence that oda showed haki split the heavens but devil fruits split the earth?
What i have been arguing for is for bb, and admirals to have both abilities as oda has established abilities alone can not make you the very strongest, you talk about haki splitting heavens but df splitting the earth but what do you get when you have both akainu df ability plus adv coc,luffy df ability plus adv coc,admirals df ability plus adv coc,bb df abilities plus adv coc ??? You will get the very strongest people not just the strongest/mightiest who are capped at there df being maxed out and at best there haki being advanced coa( admirals using barrier haki to stop wb).
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What am i misconstruing??? Kaidos quote is as follows:
ONLY A HANDFUL OF THE VERY STRONGEST CAN use coc coating attacks. For some reason twice now when you say this statement you leave out VERY and you say only say handful of the strongest. Kaidos use of very is important to his statement to luffy of course there are members of the strongest who do not use adv coc to disagree with this is to disagree with rayleighs own words:
katakuri for example is one of the mightiest people in the world by rayleighs own words because of his ability to see the future,so is post wci luffy who has the ability to see the future but they are not in a tier of the very strongest the divider the separation between mightiest/strongest and very strongest is decided by those handful of people that can use adv coc and those that can not.
Not sure what you are arguing with your final statement here:And Law showed that certain hax abilities can be countered through haki; however do you think it’s just a coincidence that oda showed haki split the heavens but devil fruits split the earth?
What i have been arguing for is for bb, and admirals to have both abilities as oda has established abilities alone can not make you the very strongest, you talk about haki splitting heavens but df splitting the earth but what do you get when you have both akainu df ability plus adv coc,luffy df ability plus adv coc,admirals df ability plus adv coc,bb df abilities plus adv coc ??? You will get the very strongest people not just the strongest/mightiest who are capped at there df being maxed out and at best there haki being advanced coa( admirals using barrier haki to stop wb).
Not sure what you are arguing with your final statement here:And Law showed that certain hax abilities can be countered through haki; however do you think it’s just a coincidence that oda showed haki split the heavens but devil fruits split the earth?
What i have been arguing for is for bb, and admirals to have both abilities as oda has established abilities alone can not make you the very strongest, you talk about haki splitting heavens but df splitting the earth but what do you get when you have both akainu df ability plus adv coc,luffy df ability plus adv coc,admirals df ability plus adv coc,bb df abilities plus adv coc ??? You will get the very strongest people not just the strongest/mightiest who are capped at there df being maxed out and at best there haki being advanced coa( admirals using barrier haki to stop wb).
Out of a list of the very strongest only a few use CoC coating. Which means there are other members of the very strongest that don’t.
Trying to turn this statement into some idea that one needs CoC coating to be one of the strongest is just not what was said or even hinted at.
Maxing out ones DF abilities with a strong enough devil fruit is more than enough to compensate and can even allow you to grow stronger than those who have CoC coating.
I am not saying you need coc coating to be one of the strongest...you can be one of the strongest without it,lol i just agreed with you that rayleigh has already established that fact in cannon manga. The ability that separates those in the strongest from the handful of the very strongest is the ability to coat with coc haki. You for some reason just want to put everyone together as STRONGEST when oda already put a separation by saying a handful.
Maxing out ones DF abilities with a strong enough devil fruit is more than enough to compensate and can even allow you to grow stronger than those who have CoC coating.
uhh when has this been established in the manga ???you have a panel showing someone with maxed out df abilities growing stronger or defeating a coc coating user?
Maxing out ones DF abilities with a strong enough devil fruit is more than enough to compensate and can even allow you to grow stronger than those who have CoC coating.
uhh when has this been established in the manga ???you have a panel showing someone with maxed out df abilities growing stronger or defeating a coc coating user?
Kaido said that because there is separation between the strongest and the very strongest the handful of people that can use adv coc make them the very strongest,the people with good df(law for example can only go so far abilities alone can not conquer the world) the people with adv haki techniques(katakuri is considered one of the mightiest in the world) but he is not one of the very strongest.
Rayleigh admitting that Blackbeard would beat him.
Whats weird about you using this is you wanna take rayleigh statement about not being able to beat bb then think to yourself hey rayleigh the adv coc user just admitted that he couldn't beat bb this means df powers can be over adv coc, and yet you ignore rayleighs own word of him not fighting bb 1v1 due to his age which is the cannon fact. Oda tells you that its because of rayleighs age that he will not fight bb and you want to twist this into df users can max out there abilities and be over adv coc users in there prime when no where in the manga has oda established this he only made rayleigh not fight because he was to old not because df can be over adv coc users.
Rayleigh admitting that Blackbeard would beat him.
Whats weird about you using this is you wanna take rayleigh statement about not being able to beat bb then think to yourself hey rayleigh the adv coc user just admitted that he couldn't beat bb this means df powers can be over adv coc, and yet you ignore rayleighs own word of him not fighting bb 1v1 due to his age which is the cannon fact. Oda tells you that its because of rayleighs age that he will not fight bb and you want to twist this into df users can max out there abilities and be over adv coc users in there prime when no where in the manga has oda established this he only made rayleigh not fight because he was to old not because df can be over adv coc users.
But that’s not what Kaido said? He said the ability to coat yourself in conquerors haki is an ability used by a handful of the very strongest. You’re changing what he said to fit an agenda, but the fact that he mentioned a handful of the very strongest and not all of the very strongest means that there are those who can be called the very strongest that do not use Conquerors coating.
Do you want another example? Look at how Yamato was treated by Ryokugyu. Yamatos a CoC coating user, and Ryo doesn’t have CoC, hell he didn’t even use Awakening in that match but Yamato herself said they need to get luffys and others help to fight him.
Again you’re misconstruing Kaidos words.
Do you want another example? Look at how Yamato was treated by Ryokugyu. Yamatos a CoC coating user, and Ryo doesn’t have CoC, hell he didn’t even use Awakening in that match but Yamato herself said they need to get luffys and others help to fight him.
Again you’re misconstruing Kaidos words.
lol what agenda am i pushing??? trying to separate the admirals and fleet admiral from the rest of the navy as it should be ??? trying to separate bb who mind you had different personalities etc??? making the admirals and bb the very strongest they can be lol .Just gonna have to agree to disagree lol the admiral hype is right around the corner and so is bb hype ...well of course you would use yamato and ryo as u think the admirals don't have coc or coating but if its revealed that they do then yamatos response to get the other guys makes perfect sense...some headcannon here ( Like have you ever thought of this, we saw when zoro fought king he got scared of what zoro could do to him in flame on mode so what did king do he flew back as fast as he could and turned off his flame and got destroyed...now take ryo vs king which was off screened but when we saw king he was caught with his flame off what was the only reason that flame on king was scared of zoro adv coc...what could have been the only reason ryo made him turn off the flame???adv coc lol at the end of the day you just seem hell bent on saying some of the very strongest don't need adv coc when oda has already established that the handful that is the very strongest has it.
i dont get why u keep saying that i am thinking that. My viewpoint is You can be one or the strongest without coc like for example katakuri who is one of the mightiest in the world,law and his broken df abilities, but these two people have a limit a cap as its been established that for law his ability alone can not conquer the world and for kat he still stands outside of that handful of the very strongest because he can not flow like luffy... In order for you to be the very strongest which is a tier above these two you must also be able to coat with coc haki its the next level this applies for df users as well sure having a stong df will make you strong but when you combine that strong df with strong haki its a different level of strength imo and thats where the story is headed. But hey time will tell.
And I think opposite I think oda is pushing that haki is nothing more than one way to grow stronger. That the admirals and Blackbeard are designed to slow that a strong devil fruit and some decent haki is enough to make you one of the very strongest as well.
Hell I honestly doubt Imu is going to be some haki god, rather he’ll have some kind of overpowered ability that’ll transcend haki and devil fruits.
Hell I honestly doubt Imu is going to be some haki god, rather he’ll have some kind of overpowered ability that’ll transcend haki and devil fruits.
Honestly I think they should have at least coc, and that should be almost sure since it is a rare ability but not so rare while the admirals are at the top of the navy. Yet about adv coc... At this point nope. Let alone Kaido who didn't even bother to put Garp or Kong in his top 5 but just look at Greenbull: he was fried by Shanks from another country, if he had a shade of adv coc he most likely would have at least put up some sort of resistance. Then I think and hope the OG admirals should be above GB but not so much above to actually have adv coc while GB does not.
Well seems to me that he is pushing haki as the ultimate route of strength growth. I get what you are saying with bb and the admirals but at the end of the day luffy who is a adv coc user will still stand above them as the strongest eos for them to not have coc just seems like a cheap victory as oda has already established that abilities can only go so far. but we see which route oda will take lol.
That could be the case with imu but i do believe thats where oda can do something absolutely different because imu to me can only be defeated by luffy no one else.
That could be the case with imu but i do believe thats where oda can do something absolutely different because imu to me can only be defeated by luffy no one else.
The only people who call ACoC overrated are Law/Sanji/Admiral fans
If Admirals got it, you would still have Law and Sanji fans crying about it being overrated but also writing fanfiction about how they will unlock ACoC to create stronger shockwaves or black flames or whatever nonsense they come up with
If Admirals got it, you would still have Law and Sanji fans crying about it being overrated but also writing fanfiction about how they will unlock ACoC to create stronger shockwaves or black flames or whatever nonsense they come up with
Luffy isn’t just a CoC coating user, him being Joyboy is honestly more important right now which is likely what’s going to be most important which is connected to his devil fruit and him having the Will of D. Which feels more likely what his next fights are going to be focus on.
And Kaidos the only one who believes that abilities can only go so far, Blackbeard surpassing him with his devil fruit abilities is enough to disprove Kaidos philosophy.
And Kaidos the only one who believes that abilities can only go so far, Blackbeard surpassing him with his devil fruit abilities is enough to disprove Kaidos philosophy.
WB ran away because he didn't want to be bothered by fodder marines. GB on the other hand didn't go to Wano before because of Kaido, his own words, and then was scared away by Shanks coc, there was sweat and screaming, he had no other choice. It is not like when BB escaped by Akainu while laughing with his crew.