Speculations If Aramaki has indeed a blackblade.

If Aramaki was able to create his own blackblade do you think it will undermine Mihawk ?
Will it make the blackblades less special ?
Will it elevate Aramaki even higher ?
1) Sure, same goes for Ryuma. But Ryuma would probably lose less since the black blade for him is less of a symbol than for Mihawk
2) Totally. If Aramaki was some sort of super admiral, another navy hero, at least the current fleet admiral that could fit. But not the one who got wifi diffed by Shanks who has worse sword skills than Mihawk.
3) Sure, Mihawk (and Ryuma, and also Zoro and his EoS version) would lose a lot yet Aramaki would gain quite a bit. Since Mihawk should be yonko level with incredible CoA (at least) I guess you could start to see threads which want to apply the same to GB. Probably (most likely) it could also bring to Zoro fans hyping GB as the strongest admiral above Akainu only in virtue of the black blade.
 
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1) Sure, same goes for Ryuma. But Ryuma would probably lose less since the black blade for him is less of a symbol than for Mihawk
2) Totally. If Aramaki was some sort of super admiral, another navy hero, at least the current fleet admiral that could fit. But not the one who got wifi diffed by Shanks who has worse sword skills than Mihawk.
3) Sure, Mihawk (and Ryuma, and also Zoro and his EoS version) would lose a lot yet Aramaki would gain quite a bit. Since Mihawk should be yonko level with incredible CoA (at least) I guess you could start to see threads which want to apply the same to GB. Probably (most likely) it could also bring to Zoro fans hyping GB as the strongest admiral above Akainu only in virtue of the black blade.
For reasons I said I don't think It would dehype them, but I use this opportunity to say one thing:

In OP even the overhyped Oden didn't manage to forge one, and wasn't someting like Shanks or Roger: he simply didn't manage to, as Hitetsu said. So anyone who manages would be a superior swordsman to Oden, which Is already an incredibly higher "botton line". Also, just the fact It will be EoS Zoro last hurdle Is telling on how big of deal It Is.

Yeah, It would dehype them of you think that the Black Blade put you automatically over Roger, but to be completely honest I have always thought this was pure delusion.
 
Shanks>>>Mihawk is already confirmed.
The copium is that Mihawk is in fact close to Shanks, but in this scenario he will be wifi diff fodder to Shanks.
Mihawk Is stronger than Shanks because of the title, that was always the real base. That and Zoro's dream.

The Black Blade thing, while super importat, came only at Wano and so 900 chapters after Mihawk's introduction. Before that BBs were Just blades with a different composition, particulary resistant and so on.

Still, as I said someone of Oden's caliber was incapable of forging a black blade and was explicilty started he could not.
 
For reasons I said I don't think It would dehype them, but I use this opportunity to say one thing:

In OP even the overhyped Oden didn't manage to forge one, and wasn't someting like Shanks or Roger: he simply didn't manage to, as Hitetsu said. So anyone who manages would be a superior swordsman to Oden, which Is already an incredibly higher "botton line". Also, just the fact It will be EoS Zoro last hurdle Is telling on how big of deal It Is.

Yeah, It would dehype them of you think that the Black Blade put you automatically over Roger, but to be completely honest I have always thought this was pure delusion.
Ok, the point is that Oden was strong, hyped by Oda more than what was needed and matched and even bested a young Kaido.. yet he was nothing compared to prime Roger and prime WB. For what I can see I think there is no problem in having the admirals at least slightly above Oden. The only logical issue would be prime beard who was scared to challenge that young Kaido in Wano because he feared he would lose too many people.. that doesn't click so well with WB character to begin with so the mistake for me is WB behaving like that. But indeed aside from that I see no problems. This is also the problem you spoke about, when Oda needs to hype a character then that comes before everything else.

The fact that a black blade would be Zoro last hurdle, or at least one of the last, well that would be a problem for sure with the Zoro fandom because it would imply that one or more among "sword mastery", coa, coc, boat too probably would be equalized among Ryuma, Mihawk and GB.. that would be blasphemy pretty much XD

Also the black blade imo doesn't put you above Roger, Mihawk is weaker than Roger, let's say that the black blade could be the apex of a side path in this manga, the sword path, that in order to reach you require enormous levels of either sword mastery, coa, maybe coc but that would already clash with Shanks (why Shanks as a swordsman and incredible levels of CoC hasn't a black blade?), but Oda has yet to clarify that. Anyway for sure Mihawk isn't an equal to Roger, he said so in his intro to Luffy and even in Marineford he admitted to be inferior to WB. I like Mihawk as a character but I have no agendas.
 
Mihawk Is stronger than Shanks because of the title, that was always the real base. That and Zoro's dream.

The Black Blade thing, while super importat, came only at Wano and so 900 chapters after Mihawk's introduction. Before that BBs were Just blades with a different composition, particulary resistant and so on.

Still, as I said someone of Oden's caliber was incapable of forging a black blade and was explicilty started he could not.
Nah. Title is irrelevant because Mihawk was only ever greater then Shanks in "sword skill". But Haki transcends all. After his comparison with Joy Boy, it was settled. Shanks is far far far superior to Mihawk. That's the new base. Zoro's dream is irrelevant because Shanks is now connected to the MC. So the only point of contention at this stage is how close he is. Shanks is stronger. That's the base. But 1 shot stronger or high diff stronger? More likely 1 shot, so the debate now is only on whether Shanks can 1 shot Mihawk or not. Off course, GB having a black blade would confirm this.
 
Ok, the point is that Oden was strong, hyped by Oda more than what was needed and matched and even bested a young Kaido.. yet he was nothing compared to prime Roger and prime WB. For what I can see I think there is no problem in having the admirals at least slightly above Oden.
Same. And as hyped was Oden was, something that puts someone above him Is already very good, in my opinion.

Also, not just "slightly" imho. Take GB: he has a BB, yes, but has a Logia on top of It.
We don't know how close was Oden to forging a BB, but even if he was close, GB not only did It, but have a Logia on top of that. That means that their fight wouldn't have been an extreme diff fight since GB Is superior to him even in swordmanship and + he has a Logia. It would be at least a high diff fight.
And GB Is not even the top of Admirals; it goes whitout saying that someone like Akainu or Aokiji would have It even "easier".

And tbh having the fandom put Admirals above the hyper hyped Oden, especially because it wouldn't even be that close especially for Akainu and such, for me Is totally ok.

*To be clear I have BM above Oden too.

The only logical issue would be prime beard who was scared to challenge that young Kaido in Wano because he feared he would lose too many people.. that doesn't click so well with WB character to begin with so the mistake for me is WB behaving like that. But indeed aside from that I see no problems. This is also the problem you spoke about, when Oda needs to hype a character then that comes before everything else.
I agree.
That scene didn't have much sense, I hated It and It went against all we knew about WB.

I mean Buggy told us the exact opposite.

The fact that a black blade would be Zoro last hurdle, or at least one of the last, well that would be a problem for sure with the Zoro fandom because it would imply that one or more among "sword mastery", coa, coc, boat too probably would be equalized among Ryuma, Mihawk and GB.. that would be blasphemy pretty much XD
In some way yes, but in some others I am sure Oda will hype the BB to the stars. So, overall, we will be "forced" to see BB as a great feat anyway.

Also the black blade imo doesn't put you above Roger, Mihawk is weaker than Roger, let's say that the black blade could be the apex of a side path in this manga, the sword path, that in order to reach you require enormous levels of either sword mastery, coa, maybe coc but that would already clash with Shanks (why Shanks as a swordsman and incredible levels of CoC hasn't a black blade?), but Oda has yet to clarify that. Anyway for sure Mihawk isn't an equal to Roger, he said so in his intro to Luffy and even in Marineford he admitted to be inferior to WB. I like Mihawk as a character but I have no agendas.
Same.
I like Mihawk, I have him above Shanks and that Is already enormous in OP terms, but Mihawk wasn't even stronger than old but sane WB, let alone WB prime who was ~ to Roger.

The theory that put Mihawk above the likes of Roger because for the Black Blade was always absurd imho. But yeah, for those who did think that I undestand why Ryo having a BB would be a huge blow, but I mean: with all due respect It was delusional to begin with.
 
Same. And as hyped was Oden was, something that puts someone above him Is already very good, in my opinion.

Also, not just "slightly" imho. Take GB: he has a BB, yes, but has a Logia on top of It.
We don't know how close was Oden to forging a BB, but even if he was close, GB not only did It, but have a Logia on top of that. That means that their fight wouldn't have been an extreme diff fight since GB Is superior to him even in swordmanship and + he has a Logia. It would be at least a high diff fight.
And GB Is not even the top of Admirals; it goes whitout saying that someone like Akainu or Aokiji would have It even "easier".

And tbh having the fandom put Admirals above the hyper hyped Oden, especially because it wouldn't even be that close especially for Akainu and such, for me Is totally ok.

*To be clear I have BM above Oden too.



I agree.
That scene didn't have much sense, I hated It and It went against all we knew about WB.

I mean Buggy told us the exact opposite.



In some way yes, but in some others I am sure Oda will hype the BB to the stars. So, overall, we will be "forced" to see BB as a great feat anyway.



Same.
I like Mihawk, I have him above Shanks and that Is already enormous in OP terms, but Mihawk wasn't even stronger than old but sane WB, let alone WB prime who was ~ to Roger.

The theory that put Mihawk above the likes of Roger because for the Black Blade was always absurd imho. But yeah, for those who did think that I undestand why Ryo having a BB would be a huge blow, but I mean: with all due respect It was delusional to begin with.
Ok, we agree on a lot of stuff then. The only problem left is that for me GB will not have a black blade, like you said if he fought Oden he would win because he would have both better sword mastery (a better sword most likely, I said most likely because I also think about the comparison between Shusui and Enma, but we would go off topic) and a df with a great mastery (otherwise he wouldn't be an admiral).

Taking your GB - Oden comparison a step above there is another big problem: Ryuma, Mihawk and let's say EoS Zoro too reached a black blade. They dedicated their whole self, their whole life to the sword and managed to reach that... And then there is GB who both reached a black blade (so extreme mastery of sword skills, haki of one or more types etc.) and great mastery over a df.. an absolute genius above the likes of those mentioned above. This doesn't click too.
 
Ok, we agree on a lot of stuff then. The only problem left is that for me GB will not have a black blade, like you said if he fought Oden he would win because he would have both better sword mastery (a better sword most likely, I said most likely because I also think about the comparison between Shusui and Enma, but we would go off topic) and a df with a great mastery (otherwise he wouldn't be an admiral).

Taking your GB - Oden comparison a step above there is another big problem: Ryuma, Mihawk and let's say EoS Zoro too reached a black blade. They dedicated their whole self, their whole life to the sword and managed to reach that... And then there is GB who both reached a black blade (so extreme mastery of sword skills, haki of one or more types etc.) and great mastery over a df.. an absolute genius above the likes of those mentioned above. This doesn't click too.
Tbh GB's fruit always seemed the...least outstaing of the Admirals' to me, and if he has a BB, that's his focus for me. For example, I don't think he has awakened it.

So a logia would surely give him some big bonus like, idk, Mihawk eating a strong zoan or the Kira Kira, but It wouldn't be the focus of his style and he wouldn't be able to take it to Its ultimate potential.
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Black blade (officially white) for a character that can't beat Morley without his DF and Lanji's conqueror's haki, the funniest 2024 memes. :kobeha:
"Officially white" because the anime so:kobeha:.
Maybe for you the 1% man Is still Drake.

On the other hand in the manga and Shueisha material:





 
No , because greenbull sword is weaker than mihawk sword.
‘How it undermine Mihawk when both weapon are completely different.
‘Milhawk literally say any blade can turn black which it mean even kitchen knife can turn into black blade if someone use haki on it.
Even a kitchen knife will become one of the most elite blades in the world if it's a black blade, black blade is in a tier of it's own, they are the most elite blades in existence
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Same. And as hyped was Oden was, something that puts someone above him Is already very good, in my opinion.

Also, not just "slightly" imho. Take GB: he has a BB, yes, but has a Logia on top of It.
We don't know how close was Oden to forging a BB, but even if he was close, GB not only did It, but have a Logia on top of that. That means that their fight wouldn't have been an extreme diff fight since GB Is superior to him even in swordmanship and + he has a Logia. It would be at least a high diff fight.
And GB Is not even the top of Admirals; it goes whitout saying that someone like Akainu or Aokiji would have It even "easier".

And tbh having the fandom put Admirals above the hyper hyped Oden, especially because it wouldn't even be that close especially for Akainu and such, for me Is totally ok.

*To be clear I have BM above Oden too.



I agree.
That scene didn't have much sense, I hated It and It went against all we knew about WB.

I mean Buggy told us the exact opposite.



In some way yes, but in some others I am sure Oda will hype the BB to the stars. So, overall, we will be "forced" to see BB as a great feat anyway.



Same.
I like Mihawk, I have him above Shanks and that Is already enormous in OP terms, but Mihawk wasn't even stronger than old but sane WB, let alone WB prime who was ~ to Roger.

The theory that put Mihawk above the likes of Roger because for the Black Blade was always absurd imho. But yeah, for those who did think that I undestand why Ryo having a BB would be a huge blow, but I mean: with all due respect It was delusional to begin with.
You can still say Mihawk is > them, in terms of swordsmanship he's > every body who existed that didn't have a black blade
 
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