Questions & Mysteries "If I can't stop Kaido, no one will" - did this statement encompass Wano or the entire world?

[trav]

Oden already replied to his own statement

But if somehow you've reading comprehension issues, Oda decided to clarified it further by having Marco confirming Wano's isolationist status as a reason they couldn't know what was going on in Wano

Well that was easy lmao

its also bogus.
Oden was not considering that word would not get out while making this statement. there is not a single slight implication that he did.

its more likely that Oden thinks outside forces would need to not only face Kaido and the BP, but Wano as a whole aswell.
he had the advantage that he was already on Wano soil (entering alone is not easy) and that the Samurai did not oppose him. a boon others would not have.

I am certainly not saying that no one else could defeat Kaido in fair fight. I am certain WB and Roger could.
the outside circumstances just make it increasingly harder for anyone else than Oden to even get to a fair fight.

"CLOSED COUNTRY"

Meanwhile Marco 20 years later flies there like it is nothing.

while the whole country is in turmoil.
King pushed an entire ship back down and that almost cost a Yonko dearly. its not impossible to enter Wano. its just very hard and dangerous.
unless you have the ability to fly. which most do not. and those few who have it would be unable to do much by themselves.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Wasn't his original statements something like "if I fail no one able to defeat him WILL APPEAR?

トキ おれはもう限界だ おれが討ち取れなかったらカイドウを倒せる者は当座現れない

The way I read it also is not a statement of strength. There was a translation that said "no one at this time" and that was the most accurate I've seen.

To be clear, Oden was STRONG enough to beat Kaido 20 years ago and was even better off five years before that. So obviously Whitebeard was strong enough. But between Orochi and Kaido it wasn't really a matter of strength. If it wasn't the fate of Oden then no one in the very near future was going to fulfill what was already written about what would happen in a matter of decades.

I think there's a pretty big misunderstanding of the situation and likely more for Oda to draw out about the in between years, though I don't think he needs to.

 

[Red Admiral]

This basically neg diffed the notion of Oden referring to the whole world and including Roger and Whitebeard in this equation. @Seraphoenix @Erkan12 @Red Admiral @Jo_Ndule

words form wano won't go outside .... but Kaido himself goes
Kaido fought Marine and Yonko for over 18 times at very least ....
that post prove nothing but "words form wano won't go outside"
unless you are willing to accpect Oden was stupid enough to assume Kaido never gonna leave Wano

for truth or not ... oden believed he had the best chance to beat Kaido ... only 2nd next to Luffy
and guess what
he wasn't wrong

all Yonko and all Marine failed to damage Kaido as much as he did ...

how?
why?

not sure ...

 

[Kaido D. Stronger]

its also bogus.
Oden was not considering that word would not get out while making this statement. there is not a single slight implication that he did.

its more likely that Oden thinks outside forces would need to not only face Kaido and the BP, but Wano as a whole aswell.
he had the advantage that he was already on Wano soil (entering alone is not easy) and that the Samurai did not oppose him. a boon others would not have.

I am certainly not saying that no one else could defeat Kaido in fair fight. I am certain WB and Roger could.
the outside circumstances just make it increasingly harder for anyone else than Oden to even get to a fair fight.

while the whole country is in turmoil.
King pushed an entire ship back down and that almost cost a Yonko dearly. its not impossible to enter Wano. its just very hard and dangerous.
unless you have the ability to fly. which most do not. and those few who have it would be unable to do much by themselves.

But who cares if they can enter the country of WANO or not?
They want to go to WANO to defeat Kaido, right?
What is the difference if KAIDO has already challenged them and they have failed?
In their introduction, it is stated that they FAILED to kill KAIDO.
They failed to bring him down, although KAIDO left WANO and defying them, KAIDO is alive and no one was able to kill him, Navy, emperors FAILED.Oden returned triumphant and invincible, and failed.

 

[Steven]

Oden after Rogers named attack

Oden after Kaido´s casual Clubswing

WB/Roger wankers ala comrade:"RoGeR iS sTrOnGeR bEcAuSe I sAy So"

 

[Red Admiral]

Oden after Rogers named attack

Oden after Kaido´s casual Clubswing

WB/Roger wankers ala comrade:"RoGeR iS sTrOnGeR bEcAuSe I sAy So"

this is a Kaido from 20 years ago not using hybrid from btw

 

[stairs-kun]

Don't worry, Zoro will kill Kaido.

 

[kom5]

Oden said that if he won't be able to strike down Kaido, no one will.

Now people are arguing about whether Oden meant "no one in Wano" or "no one in the world". What makes more sense? Two things that seem to contradict the "no one in the world" notion.

1. Saying "no one can't if I can't" implies that Oden saw himself as equal or superior to even Roger and Whitebeard, which can hardly be true, since Roger completely outclassed Oden with a basic move. When Roger and Whitebeard clashed with their Haki only (while Whitebeard hold back his devastating DF power, as Roger did with whatever power matched the Gura to justify them being equals), Oden was shocked. And that was already an Oden who was near his prime, if not prime. Since he travelled with Whitebeard 4 years prior to meeting Roger, in the last year with Roger mainly serving as an translator. While in Wano in the next 5 years, mainly dancing and teaching the Scabbards instead of growing (which would demand fighting strong does of comparable caliber).
   
   
2. It seems people outside of Wano didn't know what was going on in Wano for a long time, including Whitebeard. Oden himself only figured out once he arrived in Wano permanently again (when he visited Wano the first time after 4 years, he sensed something was different but didn't figure out). Otherwise, Whitebeard would've stepped in, for the love of Oden and especially when having Izo on his ship, who has a personal connection to Wano, a brother and her lord Oden, but he didn't know it either. Since Wano is an isolated country that barely leaks information to the outside, Oden himself viewed it as an internal business. Or otherwise he would've immediately called Whitebeard and Rayleigh to team up with. So Oden couldn't really rely on neither Whitebeard nor Rayleigh to interfere. But he could rely on "Joyboy", who will start a great war and open the borders of Wano.

Looking forward for great arguments of the opposing site that are backed up by facts.

@Bogard @Sentinel @playa4321 @Finalbeta @Red Admiral @Seraphoenix @Light D Lamperouge @Admiral Lee Hung @HA001 @Jo_Ndule @Erkan12 @Seth etc.

Lol Kaido was lucky first when the Roger pirates arrived nobody did even dare to touch them if Roger would just spent one day of his time there Oden would be alive and Kaido would be finally day 20 years

Oden meant Wano , Wano is isolated from the world its clear as day Kaido was an apprentice 38 years ago look at the age of those apprentice they range from 8-15 years so he was just a child 38 years ago while BM were 30 years and WB 36 years old
Kaido prob was max 15 years old if not younger
20 years ago ( 18 years past) he was max 33 years old but prob under 30 years means he was a youngster and not Yonko level just a very powerful rookie
think about while he was just 30 years old even Oden was 9 years older than him
WB was 54 years old and BM 48 years old as Katakuri now

Kaido was like a supernova 20 years years ago so a rookie rather than pirate-king-level

So the statement no one in the world prob means Wanos world

 

[MarineHQ]

Roger and wb wankers can't accept fact that wb didn't do a crap to Kaido

Kaido was destined to fall 20 years later
Yonko and NAvy failed to beat Him 1v 1 or kill him

Stay salty

WB will always be above the silver medalists, confirmed by the manga about 4000 times, no bitching from your part will ever change that.

Old/sick WB was ~ Kaido

 

[Steven]

WB will always be above the silver medalists, confirmed by the manga about 4000 times, no bitching from your part will ever change that.

Old/sick WB was ~ Kaido

Sickbeard had Paperdura and almost no Haki.Good luck at pushing Kaido beyond low-diff with that

1 Divine Thunder and MF WB is KO

 

[HA001]

Kaido never had the balls to fight wb.
Thats why he tried to sneak him.

 

[Erkan12]

They still don't know what silver medalists means

That word comes from Crocodile, and Crocodile lost to Whitebeard, he is a silver medalist, he wasn't an equal of Whitebeard.

Big mom, Kaido and Shanks never lost to Whitebeard. Blackbeard killed Whitebeard and took his powers. He should be a gold medalist now, just like the other Yonko.

 

[Garps tekkai]

Oden after Rogers named attack

Oden after Kaido´s casual Clubswing

WB/Roger wankers ala comrade:"RoGeR iS sTrOnGeR bEcAuSe I sAy So"

Let's just ignore all the circumstances and solely look at the result...
There's a difference between attack types and certain parts of the body are simply much more vulnerable than others.

"Kamusari" send a guy like Oden, who had similiar physical strength to the guy who just knocked him out right there, flying through half an island at high speed. He only was stopped by crushing into a huge tree (iirc).
It means that by default Roger can easily replicate the attack power Kaido just used there to knock Oden out, while on the opposite, he's completely unable to replicate the attack power Roger has shown, with just his shown feats.

By the best of me, I can't understand how you could actually use that scene AGAINST Roger. Roger did not try to kill him with that attack. He even ran in there while smiling and later on recruitted that guy for his crew...

 

[Extravlad]

Yonkotards need to give it a rest

WB claps Kaido's ass and so does Roger

That word comes from Crocodile, and Crocodile lost to Whitebeard, he is a silver medalist, he wasn't an equal of Whitebeard.

Lol nope nice headcanon, silver medalists are the Pirates that couldn't overcome Roger and WB from Crocodile's own mouth
Kaido and BM are losers, they tried to kill WB all these years and failed, WB was the one sitting in front of throne as per Doffy's words and was ruler of the sea as per Garp's and Sengoku's words

They are the very definition of silver medalists, they will lose in this arc and the world will NEVER have known an "Era of Bigmom/Kaido" meanwhile we had 22 years of Whitebeard's era

 

[trav]

WB claps Kaido's ass and so does Roger

I doubt it, mate.
unless you mean it in a sexual way. then idk.

 

[Formerly Seth]

I doubt it, mate.
unless you mean it in a sexual way. then idk.

Well, Primebeard should be above Prime Kaido anyway.

Kaido would really suffer from WB's advanced CoA combines with Gura powers.

Obviously, one-shots on that level are almost impossible I think but still, Primebeard takes it for me.