Questions & Mysteries "If I can't stop Kaido, no one will" - did this statement encompass Wano or the entire world?

[comrade]

Oden said that if he won't be able to strike down Kaido, no one will.

Now people are arguing about whether Oden meant "no one in Wano" or "no one in the world". What makes more sense? Two things that seem to contradict the "no one in the world" notion.

1. Saying "no one can't if I can't" implies that Oden saw himself as equal or superior to even Roger and Whitebeard, which can hardly be true, since Roger completely outclassed Oden with a basic move. When Roger and Whitebeard clashed with their Haki only (while Whitebeard hold back his devastating DF power, as Roger did with whatever power matched the Gura to justify them being equals), Oden was shocked. And that was already an Oden who was near his prime, if not prime. Since he travelled with Whitebeard 4 years prior to meeting Roger, in the last year with Roger mainly serving as an translator. While in Wano in the next 5 years, mainly dancing and teaching the Scabbards instead of growing (which would demand fighting strong does of comparable caliber).
   
   
2. It seems people outside of Wano didn't know what was going on in Wano for a long time, including Whitebeard. Oden himself only figured out once he arrived in Wano permanently again (when he visited Wano the first time after 4 years, he sensed something was different but didn't figure out). Otherwise, Whitebeard would've stepped in, for the love of Oden and especially when having Izo on his ship, who has a personal connection to Wano, a brother and her lord Oden, but he didn't know it either. Since Wano is an isolated country that barely leaks information to the outside, Oden himself viewed it as an internal business. Or otherwise he would've immediately called Whitebeard and Rayleigh to team up with. So Oden couldn't really rely on neither Whitebeard nor Rayleigh to interfere. But he could rely on "Joyboy", who will start a great war and open the borders of Wano.

Looking forward for great arguments of the opposing site that are backed up by facts.

@Bogard @Sentinel @playa4321 @Finalbeta @Red Admiral @Seraphoenix @Light D Lamperouge @Admiral Lee Hung @HA001 @Jo_Ndule @Erkan12 @Seth etc.

 

[Uncle Van]

You'd have to claim Oden was stronger or even thought of himself as more powerful than Roger and Primebeard.

°Oden spent years with WB and wrote blogs of his unbelievable power
°Oden spent even more years with WB was blown away by the power of WB and Roger
°Oden spent one year with Roger and upon returning to Wano, was stated to be stronger than he was when he left
°Oden, despite being outnumbered, nearly 2 shot killed Kaido

So yeah....Oden went from being shocked at RogerBeard's power to stronger than them in one specific year? Not the many years he spent with WB? Not the 5 years he spent dancing?

Context said he either meant Wano citizens cant stop Kaido or that no one in the world would stop Kaido for a while because they dont know about it(Wano is isolated). You also have to consider the fact that Oden entrusted his Scabbards to open up Wano(which they cant do without getting rid of Kaido), knew they could do it and also knew about Toki's powers.

"Whitebeard and his crew cant stop Kaido and open Wano but my 9 Scabbards can!" Yeah doesnt sound right.....

 

[Bogard]

Oden already replied to his own statement

But if somehow you've reading comprehension issues, Oda decided to clarified it further by having Marco confirming Wano's isolationist status as a reason they couldn't know what was going on in Wano

 

[comrade]

Oden already replied to his own statement

But if somehow you've reading comprehension issues, Oda decided to clarified it further by having Marco confirming Wano's isolationist status as a reason they couldn't know what was going on in Wano

This basically neg diffed the notion of Oden referring to the whole world and including Roger and Whitebeard in this equation. @Seraphoenix @Erkan12 @Red Admiral @Jo_Ndule

 

[Uncle Van]

Well that was easy lmao

 

[Jew D. Boy]

What I still fail to understand is why Oden didn’t contact Whitebeard or Roger for assistance in bringing Kaido down...I know Wano is an isolationist nation, but Oden himself clearly isn’t an isolationist, and there would be no harm in keeping a Den Den Mushi by his side that could connect him to one or both after spending so much time traveling and bonding with them. While I find it hard to believe that he thought only he was capable of defeating Kaido, it makes him look more foolish to not call upon his more powerful allies to save his country than dancing naked in the street did.

 

[Kaido D. Stronger]

THEY ARE THE ONLY WHO CAN DEFEAT (DEFEAT) KAIDO.
How should this be interpreted in a sentence that he refers to a great war that would explode in the outside world?
Are the words in LATIN or something? ODEN delivered the GAME.

Could it be that ODEN referred only to WANO? HAHAHAHAHAH !!!
Oden spoke clearly who can and cannot take down kaido, WB and Roger are included in the speech.

But you didn't post the rest, did you? Typical of a coward.​

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CLOSE THE FUCKING TOPIC.​

 

[comrade]

THEY ARE THE ONLY WHO CAN DEFEAT (DEFEAT) KAIDO.
How should this be interpreted in a sentence that he refers to a great war that would explode in the outside world?
Are the words in LATIN or something? ODEN delivered the GAME.

Could it be that ODEN referred only to WANO? HAHAHAHAHAH !!!
Oden spoke clearly who can and cannot take down kaido, WB and Roger are included in the speech.

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CLOSE THE FUCKING TOPIC.​

Yes. They (plural) are the only ones because they will interfere with Wano and open the borders. Still no reason to include Roger and WB in this.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

THEY ARE THE ONLY WHO CAN DEFEAT (DEFEAT) KAIDO.
How should this be interpreted in a sentence that he refers to a great war that would explode in the outside world?
Are the words in LATIN or something? ODEN delivered the GAME.

Could it be that ODEN referred only to WANO? HAHAHAHAHAH !!!
Oden spoke clearly who can and cannot take down kaido, WB and Roger are included in the speech.

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CLOSE THE FUCKING TOPIC.​

That's just because of plot since Luffy and company are the ones who will defeat Kaido just by virtue of being the main characters, but the current alliance can't even think of comparing itself in strength to what Oden's friends by that time could have done by themselves.

Of course Whitebeard and Roger could have taken Kaido down, let alone if we add their crews against the proto-Beasts Pirates. But those statements obviously relate to the whole prophecy about the Scabbards and opening Wano so the chosen ones can interfere.

 

[Kaido D. Stronger]

Yes. They (plural) are the only ones because they will interfere with Wano and open the borders. Still no reason to include Roger and WB in this.

Are you distorting the logic now? Can't interpret a simple speech? Only the protagonists.
WB and ROGER are DEAD. Now answer me, are they progagonists? If the answer is NO! then they would fail, because the fall of KAIDO is predestined to happen 20 years later.
ODEN is shouting that no one but the protagonists is capable of doing this, are you really going to ignore this?

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That's just because of plot since Luffy and company are the ones who will defeat Kaido just by virtue of being the main characters, but the current alliance can't even think of comparing itself in strength to what Oden's friends by that time could have done by themselves.

Of course Whitebeard and Roger could have taken Kaido down, let alone if we add their crews against the proto-Beasts Pirates. But those statements obviously relate to the whole prophecy about the Scabbards and opening Wano so the chosen ones can interfere.

Make me laugh, it's like you're saying that KAIDO has been locked up in WANO all this time with no chance of anyone interfering or taking him down.When your resume says just the opposite.

 

[comrade]

Are you distorting the logic now? Can't interpret a simple speech? Only the protagonists.
WB and ROGER are DEAD. Now answer me, are they progagonists? If the answer is NO! then they would fail, because the fall of KAIDO is predestined to happen 20 years later.
ODEN is shouting that no one but the protagonists is capable of doing this, are you really going to ignore this?

How does it disprove Bogard's scans? Oden stated Wano is an isolated country no one can interfere with. With Marco he didn't know up until recently how bad all this went. So with Oden saying no one in a long time will stop Kaido, he kept in mind how the outside forces will not interfere up until 20 years later, through Joyboy 2.0

 

[Kaido D. Stronger]

How does it disprove Bogard's scans? Oden stated Wano is an isolated country no one can interfere with. With Marco he didn't know up until recently how bad all this went. So with Oden saying no one in a long time will stop Kaido, he kept in mind how the outside forces will not interfere up until 20 years later, through Joyboy 2.0

Oh, but does that mean that Kaido cannot move to the outside world? They failed to kill him, he challenged yonkou after yonkou, went crazy, he challenged the navy.
Orochi emphasized that he was NOT afraid of anyone because he had KAIDO on his side. Kaido is still alive today, doing exploits and madness, it is proof that they did not succeed in overthrowing him anyway, even though he went after them. Can't you understand? WB, YONKOUS, Marine, failed to bring down kaido, even though he was going after them, it's not interference, it's DESTINATION.

 

[comrade]

Oh, but does that mean that Kaido cannot move to the outside world? They failed to kill him, he challenged yonkou after yonkou, went crazy, he challenged the navy.

Kaido stated he hasn't met Big Mom in decades. Even though she seems to be a worthy challenge, given they fought equally for 3 days. And Shanks fought Kaido off and appeared unscratched in Marineford. In fact so fast even the marines were surprised.

:yasu:

 

[Kaido D. Stronger]

Kaido stated he hasn't met Big Mom in decades. Even though she seems to be a worthy challenge, given they fought equally for 3 days. And Shanks fought Kaido off and appeared unscratched in Marineford. In fact so fast even the marines were surprised.

:yasu:

Pathetic justification: "Wano is isolated and that is why no one managed to overthrow Kaido, only the protagonists" (This after I changed my mind and presented the ODEN panel for the outside world.)

"Nobody goes to the wano because it is isolated".

Kaido: If no one is going to Wano, then I will go after them, I challenged the navy, yonkous.

Keep saying that the reason is because WANO is isolated. he laughs a lot, as if Kaido hasn't left the country in 20 years. LOL, be alive 20 years later to prove that everyone failed to take you down, LOL.

Try to complicate a speech that is easy to understand. LOL

Now he tried the troll saying that BIG MOM hadn't seen KAIDO in decades, now I know that BIG MOM has transformation skills and has become a WB. BIG MOM ≠ WB.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Roger and wb wankers can't accept fact that wb didn't do a crap to Kaido

Kaido was destined to fall 20 years later
Yonko and NAvy failed to beat Him 1v 1 or kill him

Stay salty

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

If Oden contact Whitebeard or Roger to help him then Kaido wouldn't be able to took over Wano by now.

 

[Seth]

What I still fail to understand is why Oden didn’t contact Whitebeard or Roger for assistance in bringing Kaido down...I know Wano is an isolationist nation, but Oden himself clearly isn’t an isolationist, and there would be no harm in keeping a Den Den Mushi by his side that could connect him to one or both after spending so much time traveling and bonding with them. While I find it hard to believe that he thought only he was capable of defeating Kaido, it makes him look more foolish to not call upon his more powerful allies to save his country than dancing naked in the street did.

He's a fucking idiot who sacrificied his country for 20 fucking years for who? Who I askM 100 fodders.

Oda did us dirty with the statement "If I can't no one can".

Roger and Whitebeard would annihilate Kaido.

Kaido wasn't Yonko level during his fight with Oden. This statement clearly meant "No one here".

He repeatedly stated the fact that Wano has closed borders so he knew that if he fails that no one would fucking know this amd come to his aid.

Which is also another retarded thing Oda did. Like wtf? Whitebeard wasn't concerned why Kaido lives on Wano with Oden????

"CLOSED COUNTRY"

Meanwhile Marco 20 years later flies there like it is nothing.

Oden flashback is really inconsistent and I don't fucking like it.

 

[style]

Wasn't his original statements something like "if I fail no one able to defeat him WILL APPEAR?

トキ おれはもう限界だ おれが討ち取れなかったらカイドウを倒せる者は当座現れない

 

[Erkan12]

Lmao, mihawk fans always making up things.

Roger didn't outclass Oden with a basic move.

- Roger used something we've never seen before; advance CoC + CoA Haki blast, which is something also Oden never see before despite being with Whitebeard for a very long time as a division commander, and even when he himself was a CoC Haki user. So Roger definitely used one of his strongest move against Oden.

- Oden was completely fine after receiving Roger's one of the strongest attacks, he only took minor injuries and he was still able to fight for 3 days after receiving that.

Which only shows how close Oden was to Roger, more than Rayleigh is close to Roger. Because Oden was so strong that Roger didn't even let Rayleigh to fight with Oden, even with Scopper Gaban's help in 2 v 1, Roger even said he was afraid of Oden hurting Rayleigh + Gaban at the same time.

That was no different than Sengoku giving minor injuries to Blackbeard, or Jozu giving minor injuries to Aokiji, who even managed to turn into ice in the last second to dodge Jozu's attack, but still received injury.

There is also the fact Oden is a guy who has extreme reactions, he always shows his emotions to its limits, just because he is surprised to see Whitebeard and Roger clashing without touching, that doesn't mean it's a big thing for Oden, because Oden always overeacts at the things that he see for the first time. So it doesn't mean anything. That's no different than Sengoku surprising at Whitebeard's power at marineford, that doesn't mean Sengoku couldn't beat that half dead dying Whitebeard.

Otherwise you need to accept Shanks > Akainu based on Akainu's reaction when he see Shanks and Shanks's power.

As for Wano being isolated, somehow it's not isolated for Kaido? The guy controls black market and weapon trades via Doflamingo and other people. It's not even isolated for Big mom, she also get there despite Kaido's commander King was guarding the coast, she still arrived in ''isolated'' Wano. Of course Oden knew Whitebeard could get into Wano, but he also knew it wouldn't work. If he couldn't succeed, others couldn't as well.

There is a reason Whitebeard didn't beat other Yonko, as he beat other pirates. As well as Roger didn't beat Big mom, then how do you expect him to beat Kaido.

 

[HA001]

Lmao, mihawk fans always making up things.

Roger didn't outclass Oden with a basic move.

- Roger used something we've never seen before; advance CoC + CoA Haki blast, which is something also Oden never see before despite being with Whitebeard for a very long time as a division commander, and even when he himself was a CoC Haki user. So Roger definitely used one of his strongest move against Oden.

- Oden was completely fine after receiving Roger's one of the strongest attacks, he only took minor injuries and he was still able to fight for 3 days after receiving that.

Which only shows how close Oden was to Roger, more than Rayleigh is close to Roger. Because Oden was so strong that Roger didn't even let Rayleigh to fight with Oden, even with Scopper Gaban's help in 2 v 1, Roger even said he was afraid of Oden hurting Rayleigh + Gaban at the same time.

That was no different than Sengoku giving minor injuries to Blackbeard, or Jozu giving minor injuries to Aokiji, who even managed to turn into ice in the last second to dodge Jozu's attack, but still received injury.

There is also the fact Oden is a guy who has extreme reactions, he always shows his emotions to its limits, just because he is surprised to see Whitebeard and Roger clashing without touching, that doesn't mean it's a big thing for Oden, because Oden always overeacts at the things that he see for the first time. So it doesn't mean anything. That's no different than Sengoku surprising at Whitebeard's power at marineford, that doesn't mean Sengoku couldn't beat that half dead dying Whitebeard.

Otherwise you need to accept Shanks > Akainu based on Akainu's reaction when he see Shanks's power.

As for Wano being isolated, somehow it's not isolated for Kaido? The guy controls black market and weapon trades via Doflamingo and other people. It's not even isolated for Big mom, she also get there despite Kaido's commander King was guarding the coast, she still arrived in ''isolated'' Wano. Of course Oden knew Whitebeard could get into Wano, but he also knew it wouldn't work. If he couldn't succeed, others couldn't as well.

There is a reason Whitebeard didn't beat other Yonko, as he beat other pirates. As well as Roger didn't beat Big mom, then how do you expect him to beat Kaido.

No he didnt. He used a sword slash. You even see the slash send oden into the whatever he crashed into.