I don't do powerscaling in One Piece. All this Admiral level, Yonko level, YC1, YC2, veteran level etc is nonsense to me. its about matchups and where the character's progression is during the story. Right now the Tobi Roppo can challenge for a spot to be a Calamity. So if Zoro and Sanji fights and defeat them, I won't have any qualms. If Zoro and Sanji somehow takes on a King, Queen, or Jack and just survive, that shows how strong Zoro and Sanji has gotten. 2 rookie subordinates hanging with pirates with bounties over a billion beries.
General & Others If Zoro and Sanji get pushed to high/extreme diff by a Tobi Roppo..
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"Oda needs to reconsider his powerscaling"
"Oda doesnt care about powerscaling"
Blah, blah, blah
Consider this. Your strength placements and Oda's are just different.
Veteran/YC1/YC2/YC3 doesnt exist in his mind.
Nobody actually knows how strong the Toppi Robbo are, so no one can call bullshit and riot if Zoro and Sanji end up having them as their final opponent. Not even I.
Gotta fully accept you dont know how strong anyone actually is for you to enjoy the fights more lol.
One piece fights are dependant on match ups and always will be. Not powerscaling bs from the fanbase.
"Oda doesnt care about powerscaling"
Blah, blah, blah
Consider this. Your strength placements and Oda's are just different.
Veteran/YC1/YC2/YC3 doesnt exist in his mind.
Nobody actually knows how strong the Toppi Robbo are, so no one can call bullshit and riot if Zoro and Sanji end up having them as their final opponent. Not even I.
Gotta fully accept you dont know how strong anyone actually is for you to enjoy the fights more lol.
One piece fights are dependant on match ups and always will be. Not powerscaling bs from the fanbase.
I don't understand why people want Zoro to have a mid diff final battle in this arc
Like Imagine wano ends with Zoro low diffing Orochi as his final fight. What exactly would be the point of this? Isn't the general consensus that Zoro has it too easy? Then the people who say Zoro character is badly written also say Zoro's final fight is going to be Orochi.... It's so dumb... You can literally see the hate mentality just flowing through them...
They actively want Oda to do things they consider make Zoro's character bad just so that they have something to complain about... It's so dumb
Like Imagine wano ends with Zoro low diffing Orochi as his final fight. What exactly would be the point of this? Isn't the general consensus that Zoro has it too easy? Then the people who say Zoro character is badly written also say Zoro's final fight is going to be Orochi.... It's so dumb... You can literally see the hate mentality just flowing through them...
They actively want Oda to do things they consider make Zoro's character bad just so that they have something to complain about... It's so dumb
Actually no, Oda has said it multiple times that the Yonkou are in a stalemate.
Therefore all their top forces are comparable in strength since we've seen two Yonkou clash multiple times and they are fairly equal.
So for Kaido to have the Tobi roppo equivalent to his very top men is the equivalent of Oven and Persopero being equivalent to katakuri and cracker and thats definitely not true is it?
The argument is either Kaido has the StrongeSt crew and that shit about the Yonkou stalemate was all a lie or No one below the calamities is comparable to the calamities themselves kind of like no one below Cracker is comparable to him.
Therefore all their top forces are comparable in strength since we've seen two Yonkou clash multiple times and they are fairly equal.
So for Kaido to have the Tobi roppo equivalent to his very top men is the equivalent of Oven and Persopero being equivalent to katakuri and cracker and thats definitely not true is it?
The argument is either Kaido has the StrongeSt crew and that shit about the Yonkou stalemate was all a lie or No one below the calamities is comparable to the calamities themselves kind of like no one below Cracker is comparable to him.
And I never actually said Who's who is more suited, he's just the second most obvious choice buddy for the current time being!
If you want me to say something just to please your ear, forget it, I've said it a million time, Oda is a failure this arc, and I have ZERO expectations..
Same for me expecting a good satisfying battle for Zoro and Sanji this arc... By the end of war, Zoro and Sanji will beat a toppi Roppo member, and their fans who were hyped for:
Zoro vs King
Sanji vs Queen
They will try to mend their wounds by saying "well, toppi roppo were a challenge for YC seat"
That's basically Oda's scapegoat...
I repeat, in terms of writing, it's right and gradual progress for strength as Toppi roppo can be the Bridge for YC, BUT it's ZERO entertainment
And if you want me to say "because there is ZERO entertainment then I must say that Zoro will face King"
Then no, because I simply don't believe in that fight happening anymore, not the first time Oda disappoints, it won't be the last.
I'll repeat the point of what makes Who's who more suited. The answer applies to King, as Zoro fans are relying on the sword, but Who's who is swordsman also, so again, he's next obvious choice if King was Marco's match up...
Also, power level wise, he makes more sense than King
But Zero entertainment as I stated
If you want me to say something just to please your ear, forget it, I've said it a million time, Oda is a failure this arc, and I have ZERO expectations..
Same for me expecting a good satisfying battle for Zoro and Sanji this arc... By the end of war, Zoro and Sanji will beat a toppi Roppo member, and their fans who were hyped for:
Zoro vs King
Sanji vs Queen
They will try to mend their wounds by saying "well, toppi roppo were a challenge for YC seat"
That's basically Oda's scapegoat...
I repeat, in terms of writing, it's right and gradual progress for strength as Toppi roppo can be the Bridge for YC, BUT it's ZERO entertainment
And if you want me to say "because there is ZERO entertainment then I must say that Zoro will face King"
Then no, because I simply don't believe in that fight happening anymore, not the first time Oda disappoints, it won't be the last.
I'll repeat the point of what makes Who's who more suited. The answer applies to King, as Zoro fans are relying on the sword, but Who's who is swordsman also, so again, he's next obvious choice if King was Marco's match up...
Also, power level wise, he makes more sense than King
But Zero entertainment as I stated
But you are also assuming Zoro is stronger than Kid or Marco at this time, who have pretty decent opportunities to fight Queen and King respectively. Inu and Neko fighting Jack would be two Scabbards taking on an All Star, not one. That also insinuating that Who's Who is not of similar strength, which we have no idea atm.
Point is, we don't know what Oda is planning. The setup for Zoro/King really isn't there yet. It's not there for Who's Who either. We are basing this on swords really lol.
But, if Zoro is soloing King, then Luffy is soloing Kaido, it's only fair, but I personally don't see it happening this arc. There is still growth to be had in future arcs, not Luffy becoming the strongest creature and Zoro becoming a top Yonko commander in a single arc. Luffy had to fight Doflamingo, Cracker and Katakuri to surpass Yonko Commanders. We all assume Zoro has the growth to surpass King at this moment?
I'm not saying it can't happen, but it's then going to require a MASSIVE jump in power for him and it leaves a big question mark about future fights.
Point is, we don't know what Oda is planning. The setup for Zoro/King really isn't there yet. It's not there for Who's Who either. We are basing this on swords really lol.
But, if Zoro is soloing King, then Luffy is soloing Kaido, it's only fair, but I personally don't see it happening this arc. There is still growth to be had in future arcs, not Luffy becoming the strongest creature and Zoro becoming a top Yonko commander in a single arc. Luffy had to fight Doflamingo, Cracker and Katakuri to surpass Yonko Commanders. We all assume Zoro has the growth to surpass King at this moment?
I'm not saying it can't happen, but it's then going to require a MASSIVE jump in power for him and it leaves a big question mark about future fights.
Zoro's a main character though
Sabo was stronger than Zoro but you didn't see him stomping pica just because he was there and he could
The story is written around these main characters
If you figure Kid and Marco are more important than Zoro then you out to ask "Where is THERE set up?" Anha? Did King kill one kid's men? No. Is there a 20 year old beef between King and Marco? No.
So why do these non main characters suddenly have priority over a main character? And not even a random main character like Franky or something. It's specifically Zoro. Zoro who is the fighter. The swordsman who beats the second strongest of the villain who also turns our to be a swordsman.
I don't see how kid and Marco don't need set up to fight king but a main character who had been fighting the second strongest for 1000 chapters now needs some very deep reason
Sabo was stronger than Zoro but you didn't see him stomping pica just because he was there and he could
The story is written around these main characters
If you figure Kid and Marco are more important than Zoro then you out to ask "Where is THERE set up?" Anha? Did King kill one kid's men? No. Is there a 20 year old beef between King and Marco? No.
So why do these non main characters suddenly have priority over a main character? And not even a random main character like Franky or something. It's specifically Zoro. Zoro who is the fighter. The swordsman who beats the second strongest of the villain who also turns our to be a swordsman.
I don't see how kid and Marco don't need set up to fight king but a main character who had been fighting the second strongest for 1000 chapters now needs some very deep reason
Yonko's fight crew vs crew and crews as a whole can back up each other in a battle field setting. Just like what we've seeing so far in the alliance. That gives the illusion of them being comparable in strength.
Compare BM's commanders to Kaido's.
The BMP commanders have tricky DFs but the All Stars are straight up more physically powerful than them because of theirs. They are not on the same level.
But you know One Piece rules. You dont need to be as strong as someone to win fights.
Not really. Kaido is aiming to have a powerful crew and start the largest war the world has ever known. It WOULD make a lot of sense that he would aim have more "Yonko Commander level" members in his ranks.
So let's circle back to your first sentence. The Yonko USED TO stalemate. The Yonko in general barely fight each other at all. The Toppi Robbo being that strong means the balance of power simply shifted which seems to be the theme of the Yonko Vs. saga anyway.
Based on feats Daifuku already has higher AP than Cracker with how he can cut half a fleet in a single swing.
P1 practically has Commander Level physical strength.
BM almost came very close to one uping the other Yonko in WCI via the Vinsmoke tech.
Them stalemating in the past doesnt speak for currently.
What is so funny is you accuse me of lying about something when you didn't read my comment sir! Maybe your blindly angry, don't know what's wrong!
Go re-check my comment: This is what I said:
If Oda will make Marco TRULY be King's fight, then zoro has three candidates after that:
1- Orochi
2- Who's who
3- Mimawarigumi leader
I don't know why you skip my words/full comment when you want to reply to me, but whatever
Go re-check my comment: This is what I said:
If Oda will make Marco TRULY be King's fight, then zoro has three candidates after that:
1- Orochi
2- Who's who
3- Mimawarigumi leader
I don't know why you skip my words/full comment when you want to reply to me, but whatever
I never expected a clean 1 v 1 on anyone. When was the last time everyone in the SH crew got a clean 1 v 1 until someone was a victor? Enies lobby? We love powerscale but Oda dont care for that. I think some are underestimating the Tobi roppo too. If Kaido is even entertaining the idea that the All Star seats can be taken, that must mean they can be taken. So the tobbi roppo as far as Im concerned, are strong af.
This arc is not just the culmination of a plot that's been going on since the New World started. It is an arc that we went into with the information that this is what everything since chapter one has been leading to. After this, Luffy and Shanks will be ready to meet again.
I fundamentally disagree with anyone who suggests that a suitable conclusion to this plot point twenty years in the making is Zoro and Sanji having a life and death fight with third tier Beast Pirates, who's only achievement thus far is passive-aggressive arrogance. I'm supposed to be falling over myself in awe of these guys because they don't come running like a dog when King whistles? I'm supposed to believe that Zoro received Oden's sword to beat Who's friggin Who? That Sanji is having to use his hated families technology in order to beat Sasaki? While Luffy is busy fighting the World's Strongest Creature and his three most powerful, trusted subordinates are being beaten by some other guys?
I'm just gonna wait and see and keep myself out of this lol. I'm a fan of the characters, not just the Strawhats. If Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe fight the Calamities, awesome. I'd be super happy. If Marco, Kid and Inu/Neko fought the Calamities while Luffy's top 3 grew to surpass Tobi Roppo captains or Numbers, also great in my book.
Really it's a win-win scenario to me. I at least want everyone to get a fight/some exposure, and this arc seems to be the first since the timeskip allowing that to happen
Really it's a win-win scenario to me. I at least want everyone to get a fight/some exposure, and this arc seems to be the first since the timeskip allowing that to happen
