Speculations If Zoro Mid-diff King instead of having his rooftop feats
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Ok, maybe the gap is bigger but the proportions are right (at least considering Doffy and Pica, an admiral of course is way stronger than Doffy). But if we make instead 2 Doffys then it is about perfect.
For the outcome to be more impressive we would need King to have some special feature at the very least (since he can not be yonko level) that Zoro needs to surpass developing something/ using something new. A bit like the fight with Mr. 1 back in Alabasta where he unlocked the breath of all things stuff. That would be better than the rooftop feat at least under the light that he has developed something new since the time skip and special (a bit like Luffy unlocking FS or adv coc) and not just an immense power up of stuff he laready has (to the point he can tank hakai and injure Kaido seriously with Asura). Even if Kaido revealing that is coc it pretty much already opened up a whole new world for Zoro development (seeing also the route Luffy took in the very same chapter).
For the outcome to be more impressive we would need King to have some special feature at the very least (since he can not be yonko level) that Zoro needs to surpass developing something/ using something new. A bit like the fight with Mr. 1 back in Alabasta where he unlocked the breath of all things stuff. That would be better than the rooftop feat at least under the light that he has developed something new since the time skip and special (a bit like Luffy unlocking FS or adv coc) and not just an immense power up of stuff he laready has (to the point he can tank hakai and injure Kaido seriously with Asura). Even if Kaido revealing that is coc it pretty much already opened up a whole new world for Zoro development (seeing also the route Luffy took in the very same chapter).
No one knows about durability and how it works with each form.
But we all know for a fact that hybrid form is the strongest and dragon form is the weakest so.... by that logic, leaving a scar in hybrid form is more impressive.
Actually this scenario would be ideal. Like you mentioned, if King reveals his ability or something that parallels with Katauri's future sight, and zoro tops that by pulling off a move that is on par or superior to ashura, that would be sick.
But we all know for a fact that hybrid form is the strongest and dragon form is the weakest so.... by that logic, leaving a scar in hybrid form is more impressive.
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Actually this scenario would be ideal. Like you mentioned, if King reveals his ability or something that parallels with Katauri's future sight, and zoro tops that by pulling off a move that is on par or superior to ashura, that would be sick.
Rooftop is more impressive.
Zoro haters always love to downplay his enemies, so if he mid diffs King they would simply say "King is trash", "King is the weakest top commander" etc.
But they can't go against the "mighty" Yonko, even though they're Zoro opponents they won't downplay them too much.
So they're kinda forced to acknowledge his Rooftop feats
Zoro haters always love to downplay his enemies, so if he mid diffs King they would simply say "King is trash", "King is the weakest top commander" etc.
But they can't go against the "mighty" Yonko, even though they're Zoro opponents they won't downplay them too much.
So they're kinda forced to acknowledge his Rooftop feats
I see where you are coming. In general i like 1 v 1 feat better because it puts a definitive conclusion as to how strong that person is.
And mid-diff a YC1 (strongest or weakest) would require at least admiral level or higher, so thats why i would prefer zoro does that
So you are putting zoro = kizaru, i suppose?
And mid-diff a YC1 (strongest or weakest) would require at least admiral level or higher, so thats why i would prefer zoro does that
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So you are putting zoro = kizaru, i suppose?
I see it this way: if you want to solidify yourself as a top tier, you do it by gaining feats against other top tiers, not high tiers.
To be fair, I think what Zoro lacks to be firmly Admiral level are his presumed inexperience against top tiers in real life & death situation (which will force his haki to bloom extensively) and some of his stats other than his AP (which dwarf many top tiers) & durability.
Another reason: In general, top tiers in One Piece tend to grow alongside other top tiers (Rocks, Shanks vs Mihawk rivalry, and the Admirals, for example) to reach the level they are on right now. Zoro, unfortunately, does not have this luxury.
The SHs are not hostile like Rocks while the only fellow future top tier in the crew, aside from Zoro himself, is the guy he is trying to help become the Pirate King. This means constant internal threat like in Rocks did not exist for Zoro.
As far as we know, Zoro is the only swordsman that Mihawk encouraged to try to surpass him, so Zoro has no rival like Mihawk had in Shanks (which no doubt helped both grew).
And Zoro only had a constant training from a top tier in Mihawk after his journey was half-way, whereas the current admirals had constant direction from another admiral when they first became part of the Marines.
It is these factors that hinder him to 'officially' join the Admiral level, I should think.
However, his Roof Piece performance remains the best performance against top tiers since Akainu, despite the fact that he did not have the two elements which undoubtedly bolstered Akainu's performance in MF (an op DF and a top tier's failing health).
To be fair, I think what Zoro lacks to be firmly Admiral level are his presumed inexperience against top tiers in real life & death situation (which will force his haki to bloom extensively) and some of his stats other than his AP (which dwarf many top tiers) & durability.
Another reason: In general, top tiers in One Piece tend to grow alongside other top tiers (Rocks, Shanks vs Mihawk rivalry, and the Admirals, for example) to reach the level they are on right now. Zoro, unfortunately, does not have this luxury.
The SHs are not hostile like Rocks while the only fellow future top tier in the crew, aside from Zoro himself, is the guy he is trying to help become the Pirate King. This means constant internal threat like in Rocks did not exist for Zoro.
As far as we know, Zoro is the only swordsman that Mihawk encouraged to try to surpass him, so Zoro has no rival like Mihawk had in Shanks (which no doubt helped both grew).
And Zoro only had a constant training from a top tier in Mihawk after his journey was half-way, whereas the current admirals had constant direction from another admiral when they first became part of the Marines.
It is these factors that hinder him to 'officially' join the Admiral level, I should think.
However, his Roof Piece performance remains the best performance against top tiers since Akainu, despite the fact that he did not have the two elements which undoubtedly bolstered Akainu's performance in MF (an op DF and a top tier's failing health).
Very nice write-up.
Like you said, zoro's lack of fight experience against top-tier (which is something Oda intentionally wanted to do) is really the only thing that is stopping zoro from entering the admiral level. Oda did zoro dirty by not giving him quality opponents of his level since TS, and on the other hand, have him low-diff every opponent he faces (pica, monet, killer, etc).
Oda's intention to hide zoro's strength became problematic especially for power-scaling. I would even say that prior to rooftop, many sanji fans were still trying to make the case that Sanji is very close in strength with zoro. This of course, has been easily debunked since rooftop. Heck, we can even argue that Oda is still trying to hide zoro's strength at rooftop by letting him eat the combined attak hakai and became near-death. This is why I feel that Zoro vs. King is still necessary, despite zoro's brilliance at rooftop.
Like you said, zoro's lack of fight experience against top-tier (which is something Oda intentionally wanted to do) is really the only thing that is stopping zoro from entering the admiral level. Oda did zoro dirty by not giving him quality opponents of his level since TS, and on the other hand, have him low-diff every opponent he faces (pica, monet, killer, etc).
Oda's intention to hide zoro's strength became problematic especially for power-scaling. I would even say that prior to rooftop, many sanji fans were still trying to make the case that Sanji is very close in strength with zoro. This of course, has been easily debunked since rooftop. Heck, we can even argue that Oda is still trying to hide zoro's strength at rooftop by letting him eat the combined attak hakai and became near-death. This is why I feel that Zoro vs. King is still necessary, despite zoro's brilliance at rooftop.