General & Others If Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe will face the calamities, the rest of the mugiwaras will face the flying six

I think the tobi roppo are just way too strong for the rest of the crew,brook and chopper got no diff by perspero,plus they're antique zoans which makes them very durable.And the rest of the crew doesn't even have a haki :josad:

Oda should have focused on the evolution of the straw hats because they've done almost nothing of the new world, it's good to put forward cavendish, barto and other allies but if the main characters don't progress it's not really worth it.

This is supposed to be the crew of the future pirate king... :kriwhat:
 
The whole veteran term was something that was made up by the fanbase specifically for Perospero, Daifuku, Oven, and Compote, because out of all the BMP at the tea party those four were the ones that were hyped up alongside Katakuri and Smoothie. It has nothing to do with being in the service for too long, we know that some of them like Amande have been with the crew since birth however none of them with the exception of Perospero, Daifuku, Oven, and Compote were hyped up alongside two Sweet Generals.

Also no they are not all called Yonko Commanders only the Sweet Generals are called that, all the other children are officers of the crew not commanders. There is a reason why Katakuri, Smoothie, and Cracker are called Commanders or Generals(depending on which translation you read) and why none of the other children are called that, and it's because the Commander position is the highest rank of the crew. The rest of the children are just the officers and the ones that aren't children like Tamago and Pekoms are the combatants, as for you saying that characters like Mont-d'Or, Tamago, and the others are on the same level as Perospero, Daifuku, Oven, and Compote no they aren't.

Pedro who was able to easily take on Tamago was having trouble fighting against Oven and was easily defeated by Perospero, Sanji who one shotted Raisin was easily pushed back by Daifuku and his kick to Oven only hurt Oven for a little bit. So no those other children are not on the same level as Perospero, Daifuku, Oven, and Compote, and yes we know the whole veteran term means someone who's been on service for too long but when it comes to the BMP we just specifically use that term only for Perospero, Daifuku, Oven, and Compote because again those were the only four BMP at the tea party that were hyped up alongside two Sweet Generals.
I demand that the Veteran term be dropped and just replace it with high teir Yonko officers to refer to the Yonko officers of this level. You know what alright, I was wrong in some details, but I still insist that the numbers are higher than the flying six, it just sound right, because a playing cards deck is consisting of an Ace, three face cards and number cards from 2 to 10, totaling 13 people. Having the flying 6 within the higher structure of the beast pirates just throws a wrench and lot of confusion into how things are supposed to be. Why the hell should people who joined the crew recently be above the numbers whom.to Kaido are the same as the straw hats to Luffy? It just sounds stupid
 
Well drake is only one of them, there are still five others with varying levels of strength. Besides, now that we know that drake is an under cover marine, he might not even fight the straw hat if he knew they were trying to take down Kaido. The weak trio don't necessarily have to take on drake, maybe leave that to Franky, a pacifista was able to injure Drake back on saboady, and Franky has the lasers.

Having the Mid and weak trio take on the Tobi Roppo is no more farfetched than when people back on WCI called for Sanji vs Katakuri, so i don't see the problem here.
Thats just an assumption, the more logical conclusion is that they are all close to each other, and that they have been made a group because of that. There are countless of other characters, from normal headliners, BMs weaker officers, some of Orochis ninja/samurai, that the weaker Strawhats can be put against

Really you dont see the problem? Sanji would be dead right now if he fought Katakuri, i dont really see why you brought that up.
 
Thats just an assumption, the more logical conclusion is that they are all close to each other, and that they have been made a group because of that. There are countless of other characters, from normal headliners, BMs weaker officers, some of Orochis ninja/samurai, that the weaker Strawhats can be put against

Really you dont see the problem? Sanji would be dead right now if he fought Katakuri, i dont really see why you brought that up.
Either way the rest of the straw hats need good 1v1 fights. That's all i care about. And if you say that sanji would be dead right now if he fought katakuri then i guess he shouldn't fight king or queen either.

But man are the straw hats still this weak after Wano and this far into the story, what are they gonna do when they face blackbeard and his crew in the final showdown near the end of One Piece? Outside the Monster Trio, the rest of the straw hats still have some serious catching up to do, so if not now then i dont know when. Each arcs villains are gonna get progressively harder so i don't know how the rest of the straw hats are gonna improve if they are still stuck at the same level after Wano.

Luffy got oneshotted by kaido at the start, yet he's still gonna beat him by the end of this arc regardless, won't Oda be able to do the same for the rest of the straw hats?

If Oda isn't gonna have the rest of the straw hats fight the flying six, then he better give them 1v1 fights with good opponents, having them constantly take out mass group of fodder has become stale and boring at this point.
 
Either way the rest of the straw hats need good 1v1 fights. That's all i care about. And if you say that sanji would be dead right now if he fought katakuri then i guess he shouldn't fight king or queen either.

But man are the straw hats still this weak after Wano and this far into the story, what are they gonna do when they face blackbeard and his crew in the final showdown near the end of One Piece? Outside the Monster Trio, the rest of the straw hats still have some serious catching up to do, so if not now then i dont know when. Each arcs villains are gonna get progressively harder so i don't know how the rest of the straw hats are gonna improve if they are still stuck at the same level after Wano.

Luffy got oneshotted by kaido at the start, yet he's still gonna beat him by the end of this arc regardless, won't Oda be able to do the same for the rest of the straw hats?

If Oda isn't gonna have the rest of the straw hats fight the flying six, then he better give them 1v1 fights with good opponents, having them constantly take out mass group of fodder has become stale and boring at this point.
Queen is weaker than Katakuri and a stronger Sanji with raid suit will have an extreme battle with him. He won't fight King.

They will never catch up, monster trio is just too far ahead. BB pirates are also overrated I think, he won't have a crew of 10 King or Queen level characters, and all Strawhats should be weaker by the time they face them, so they can have high to extreme battles with them. There is no need for all of them to be as strong as top10 yonko fighters right now, that's just wishful fan thinking.

The pattern is always the same, they face stronger opponents but they aren't too far off of them, otherwise they would be stomped. The goal is to 'surpass' their foes during battle, and that won't happen by skipping steps.

There is a valid explanation to the Luffy vs Kaido fight, proper build up, and an established ability that Luffy needed to obtain to be a threat to him. Now with all that happened since the 1st fight, Luffy is still not on that level, and will need help from other supernovas to defeat and surpass him. You don't see any of that with other Strawhats, which is why doing the same with them as with Luffy would be bad.

They all are at a certain level, and there is enough enemies that are not out of reach for them to overcome. After all we have 8 supernovas, 8 retainers, powerful minks and samurai and a possible unkown force led by Neko approaching. The Strawhats are neither the only, not are they the strongest on their side of the war, so there is no need for all of them to fight the strongest opponents.
 
That doesent mean the Grand Fleet Captains cant be stronger than Strawhats, these are 2 different things.
Dude, the straw hats ARE the main characters, I fail to understand why western fans are soooo obsessed with side characters shining over main characters. If the Straw hats don't defeat the main baddies then their is no point in them being main characters. So the straw hats MUST defeat the numbers and the numbers MUST be stronger than the F6 so that the Straw hats can be comparable with the other Yonko crews, DESPITE HOW RIDICULOUS OR UNBELIEVABLE IT WILL BE, otherwise this is some BS. It's manga, I can make character A stronger than B if I need him to
 
Dude, the straw hats ARE the main characters, I fail to understand why western fans are soooo obsessed with side characters shining over main characters. If the Straw hats don't defeat the main baddies then their is no point in them being main characters. So the straw hats MUST defeat the numbers and the numbers MUST be stronger than the F6 so that the Straw hats can be comparable with the other Yonko crews, DESPITE HOW RIDICULOUS OR UNBELIEVABLE IT WILL BE, otherwise this is some BS. It's manga, I can make character A stronger than B if I need him to
I don't see why all the Strawhats needs to be stronger than the Grand Fleet Captains. They need to be strong, but Cavendish and Bartolomeo are incredibly powerful already. And the power range of Yonko officers is so vast that it goes from Perospero's 700 millions bounty to Mont-d'or's 120 millions. And sure, Robin stopped Hakuba, but that's because when Oda remembers it, her power is broken. The Weak Trio wouldn't stand a chance against him.

And they don't need to, because, in their case, their opponents will not be the same at all. Van Auger can litteraly kill Cavendish without even being seen if he snipes him from far enough. He doesn't need incredible physical feats. But Usopp will need some serious sniping feats to defeat him.
 
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Dude, the straw hats ARE the main characters, I fail to understand why western fans are soooo obsessed with side characters shining over main characters. If the Straw hats don't defeat the main baddies then their is no point in them being main characters. So the straw hats MUST defeat the numbers and the numbers MUST be stronger than the F6 so that the Straw hats can be comparable with the other Yonko crews, DESPITE HOW RIDICULOUS OR UNBELIEVABLE IT WILL BE, otherwise this is some BS. It's manga, I can make character A stronger than B if I need him to
The Numbers don't need to be stronger than they Tobi Roppo. They can be equals, or the strongest Tobi Roppo could be as strong as Jack.
 
Dude, the straw hats ARE the main characters, I fail to understand why western fans are soooo obsessed with side characters shining over main characters. If the Straw hats don't defeat the main baddies then their is no point in them being main characters. So the straw hats MUST defeat the numbers and the numbers MUST be stronger than the F6 so that the Straw hats can be comparable with the other Yonko crews, DESPITE HOW RIDICULOUS OR UNBELIEVABLE IT WILL BE, otherwise this is some BS. It's manga, I can make character A stronger than B if I need him to
I already explained why thats not the case, but you just continue to skip over the posts in which i do, then come back next day saying the same. There are several characters in the alliance thst are stronger than some of the Strawhats, them fighting the strongest members because of this makes no sense. Or were you saying in Dressrosa that Usopp needs to fight Dellinger, Gladius, Machvise, because if he cant defeat a lame shichibukai crew, then how is he gonna fight yonko crews right? Or Franky and Robin not beating even one of Trebol, Pica, Diamante? This is why we even have these huge alliances with powerful warriors in it. Your logic is just off.
 
The Numbers don't need to be stronger than they Tobi Roppo. They can be equals, or the strongest Tobi Roppo could be as strong as Jack.
Based on the hype from last chapter, it makes sense that the Tobbi Roppo is Kaidos 2nd strongest combat force after the 3 All Stars. He didnt want to impress BM with the Numbers or with any other headliners, but with those 6. Most things point to them being only under Kaido, King, Queen, Jack strengh wise (Kaidos son being a wildcard, he could be strong, weak, or just a kid)
 
Queen is weaker than Katakuri and a stronger Sanji with raid suit will have an extreme battle with him. He won't fight King.

They will never catch up, monster trio is just too far ahead. BB pirates are also overrated I think, he won't have a crew of 10 King or Queen level characters, and all Strawhats should be weaker by the time they face them, so they can have high to extreme battles with them. There is no need for all of them to be as strong as top10 yonko fighters right now, that's just wishful fan thinking.

The pattern is always the same, they face stronger opponents but they aren't too far off of them, otherwise they would be stomped. The goal is to 'surpass' their foes during battle, and that won't happen by skipping steps.

There is a valid explanation to the Luffy vs Kaido fight, proper build up, and an established ability that Luffy needed to obtain to be a threat to him. Now with all that happened since the 1st fight, Luffy is still not on that level, and will need help from other supernovas to defeat and surpass him. You don't see any of that with other Strawhats, which is why doing the same with them as with Luffy would be bad.

They all are at a certain level, and there is enough enemies that are not out of reach for them to overcome. After all we have 8 supernovas, 8 retainers, powerful minks and samurai and a possible unkown force led by Neko approaching. The Strawhats are neither the only, not are they the strongest on their side of the war, so there is no need for all of them to fight the strongest opponents.
Well I just want the rest of the straw hats to get good 1v1 fights, robin hasn't gotten good 1v1 ever since skypiea, against a fatso called yama. Some of the straw hats fights are way overdue. they trained for 2 years during the timeskip, its about time oda showed us what they learned. If they don't show what they have learned then it would mean that the whole time skip, the straw hats loss on saboady, the straw hats reaction to ace's death and each of their pledges of getting stronger were nothing but talk.

Not giving each of the straw hats a good 1v1 fight in the biggest war arc would be a real disappointment.
 
Well I just want the rest of the straw hats to get good 1v1 fights, robin hasn't gotten good 1v1 ever since skypiea, against a fatso called yama. Some of the straw hats fights are way overdue. they trained for 2 years during the timeskip, its about time oda showed us what they learned. If they don't show what they have learned then it would mean that the whole time skip, the straw hats loss on saboady, the straw hats reaction to ace's death and each of their pledges of getting stronger were nothing but talk.

Not giving each of the straw hats a good 1v1 fight in the biggest war arc would be a real disappointment.
I already replied to a different poster that they will all probably at some point in the war be put against a stronger enemy which they will have to overcome in battle. I just dont see that being the Tobbi Roppo, because they are out of reach at the moment for most Strawhats. But lets see what Oda has in mind, there should be a lot of great matchups
 
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