General & Others If Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe will face the calamities, the rest of the mugiwaras will face the flying six
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Numbers is not a rank, it's because their individual names is that of numbers(their names is literally literally Ten, Nine, Eight and so on, I'm not sure if you understand what I'm saying here to be honest)but the numbers are All-Stars, I don't know why people think that the numbers is like a rank or something, the beast pirates' hierarchy isn't that complex, the officers/executives are divided into 2 ranks All-Stars and headliners, while the fodders are divided into Gifters, Pleasures and Waiters.
All headliners are Yonko commanders, Holdem is a Yonko commander and sheepshead is a Yonko commander too, yonko commanders can range in strength anywhere from Holdem's level upto Benn Beckmans level. Why do you guys make me repeat myself, it's so annoying. Look the whole ranking system of the fandom is messed up and confusing, which is why a lot of people cry when some character defeat others because, according to their misconception such character was supposed to be around a certain level which they themselves created
Some of those aren't mutually exclusive categories. More specifically, "Gifters" are those who ate a valid SMILE and most Headliners are also Gifters. It's not like Gifters are all fodder out of the "executives" category.
PD: so was it "a ship" with the scorpion figurehead or more than one? You didn't answer me, so if you don't like to repeat yourself you could start by actually clarifying whether you were wrong or lied about how many scorpion ships there were.
PD: so was it "a ship" with the scorpion figurehead or more than one? You didn't answer me, so if you don't like to repeat yourself you could start by actually clarifying whether you were wrong or lied about how many scorpion ships there were.
The weak and mid trio need 1v1 fights badly, and the Wano Arc is perfect for it as its a major arc against a yonko. If the weak and mid trio don't get 1v1 fights this late into the story now, what are they gonna do against in the final showdown against the blackbeard pirates? The Tobi Roppo consists of 6 members, just enough for Franky, Robin, Brook, Chopper, Ussop and Nami to fight one each. Its perfect.
Well, the reason why I didn't want to reply to you is because it's not even worth replying to, but you know what I'll say it. Your argument was that there were multiple scorpion ships, and my answer is simple; OF COURSE THERE ARE MULTIPLE SCORPION SHIPS, DO YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE THE GUY IS A FRICKIN' ALL-STAR, SO IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT HE'LL HAVE A FLEET OF HIS OWN JUST LIKE JACK HAS A FLEET OF HIS OWN, DUH?!
What fleet does Jack have of his own? The only fleet we've ever seen him with was that of the scorpions figureheads. What exactly are you making up all of this from? You talked about how Jack and Queen, as All-stars, had one ship each with their zoans as figureheads; I repeat, ONE each. Nothing supports there are multiple Mammoths and Brachios out there, and that's in fact the point of flagships: they're unique and customized, just like Daifuku's fleet isn't full of his personal figurehead (only his flagship). Then you followed by speaking of A SHIP with a scorpion figurehead even though there are MORE THAN A SHIP, so your premise was flawed to begin with. Now you're making up the assumption that some kind of Scorpion flaghship we've had no hint about must exist since there must be an All-star with the scorpion zoan because of the many scorpion ships we saw in Zou (that are now part of his hypothetical fleet) and to support such claim you, again, make up a new assumption about how Jack and Queen must have fleets with their zoans as figureheads in all the ships (even though, as I said, Jack's Mammoth has only been seen accompanied by the fleet of scorpions).
You're supporting a position by making up an assumption that in order to be supported requires a new made up assumption. The way you're structuring your point is really weak and circular. You're supporting A by assuming B which requires the assumption of C which would only work if A was true.
By the way, you now forgot to address how your distinction between Headliners as a subdivision of the rank "Executive" and "Gifters" as a subgroup of fodders out of the executives is factually wrong because many Headliners with SMILEs were explicitly put into the Gifters group.
You're supporting a position by making up an assumption that in order to be supported requires a new made up assumption. The way you're structuring your point is really weak and circular. You're supporting A by assuming B which requires the assumption of C which would only work if A was true.
By the way, you now forgot to address how your distinction between Headliners as a subdivision of the rank "Executive" and "Gifters" as a subgroup of fodders out of the executives is factually wrong because many Headliners with SMILEs were explicitly put into the Gifters group.
Well drake is only one of them, there are still five others with varying levels of strength. Besides, now that we know that drake is an under cover marine, he might not even fight the straw hat if he knew they were trying to take down Kaido. The weak trio don't necessarily have to take on drake, maybe leave that to Franky, a pacifista was able to injure Drake back on saboady, and Franky has the lasers.
Having the Mid and weak trio take on the Tobi Roppo is no more farfetched than when people back on WCI called for Sanji vs Katakuri, so i don't see the problem here.
Having the Mid and weak trio take on the Tobi Roppo is no more farfetched than when people back on WCI called for Sanji vs Katakuri, so i don't see the problem here.
I think its pretty obvious that the calamities will be tag team fights. Just look at Jack. Are y'all really saying that we won't see a Nekomamushi and Inuarashi vs Jack rematch?
it will probably be Neko, Inu, and Jinbe vs Jack. I know this might seem like overkill but there are a few things to remember. One is that Inu and Neko aren't as strong as they used to be due to their injuries.
The second big thing that I want to note is that it was never actually shown or even implied that Jack used his hybrid form in his battle against the dukes. Some people say that the only reason for this is because Oda didn't want to spoil the hybrid form, but I don't think that Oda is really going to go to such lengths to conceal their hybrid forms. I mean its not a big secret, everyone knows that Jack has a hybrid form. And plus, just look at the hybrid form reveal for Drake, it was literally nothing special. Every time we saw Jack fighting the dukes, he was either in base form or mammoth form.
I think its very possible that he didn't use hybrid and that the reason as to why he didn't use hybrid is related to zoan awakening. Otherwise I think there's literally no reason why Oda wouldn't show jack using hybrid against the dukes. If he didn't want to reveal the design of Jack's hybrid form, he would have at least shown it in silhouette, the fact that he didn't leads me to believe that Jack legitimately never used it.
it will probably be Neko, Inu, and Jinbe vs Jack. I know this might seem like overkill but there are a few things to remember. One is that Inu and Neko aren't as strong as they used to be due to their injuries.
The second big thing that I want to note is that it was never actually shown or even implied that Jack used his hybrid form in his battle against the dukes. Some people say that the only reason for this is because Oda didn't want to spoil the hybrid form, but I don't think that Oda is really going to go to such lengths to conceal their hybrid forms. I mean its not a big secret, everyone knows that Jack has a hybrid form. And plus, just look at the hybrid form reveal for Drake, it was literally nothing special. Every time we saw Jack fighting the dukes, he was either in base form or mammoth form.
I think its very possible that he didn't use hybrid and that the reason as to why he didn't use hybrid is related to zoan awakening. Otherwise I think there's literally no reason why Oda wouldn't show jack using hybrid against the dukes. If he didn't want to reveal the design of Jack's hybrid form, he would have at least shown it in silhouette, the fact that he didn't leads me to believe that Jack legitimately never used it.
The whole veteran term was something that was made up by the fanbase specifically for Perospero, Daifuku, Oven, and Compote, because out of all the BMP at the tea party those four were the ones that were hyped up alongside Katakuri and Smoothie. It has nothing to do with being in the service for too long, we know that some of them like Amande have been with the crew since birth however none of them with the exception of Perospero, Daifuku, Oven, and Compote were hyped up alongside two Sweet Generals.
Also no they are not all called Yonko Commanders only the Sweet Generals are called that, all the other children are officers of the crew not commanders. There is a reason why Katakuri, Smoothie, and Cracker are called Commanders or Generals(depending on which translation you read) and why none of the other children are called that, and it's because the Commander position is the highest rank of the crew. The rest of the children are just the officers and the ones that aren't children like Tamago and Pekoms are the combatants, as for you saying that characters like Mont-d'Or, Tamago, and the others are on the same level as Perospero, Daifuku, Oven, and Compote no they aren't.
Pedro who was able to easily take on Tamago was having trouble fighting against Oven and was easily defeated by Perospero, Sanji who one shotted Raisin was easily pushed back by Daifuku and his kick to Oven only hurt Oven for a little bit. So no those other children are not on the same level as Perospero, Daifuku, Oven, and Compote, and yes we know the whole veteran term means someone who's been on service for too long but when it comes to the BMP we just specifically use that term only for Perospero, Daifuku, Oven, and Compote because again those were the only four BMP at the tea party that were hyped up alongside two Sweet Generals.
Also no they are not all called Yonko Commanders only the Sweet Generals are called that, all the other children are officers of the crew not commanders. There is a reason why Katakuri, Smoothie, and Cracker are called Commanders or Generals(depending on which translation you read) and why none of the other children are called that, and it's because the Commander position is the highest rank of the crew. The rest of the children are just the officers and the ones that aren't children like Tamago and Pekoms are the combatants, as for you saying that characters like Mont-d'Or, Tamago, and the others are on the same level as Perospero, Daifuku, Oven, and Compote no they aren't.
Pedro who was able to easily take on Tamago was having trouble fighting against Oven and was easily defeated by Perospero, Sanji who one shotted Raisin was easily pushed back by Daifuku and his kick to Oven only hurt Oven for a little bit. So no those other children are not on the same level as Perospero, Daifuku, Oven, and Compote, and yes we know the whole veteran term means someone who's been on service for too long but when it comes to the BMP we just specifically use that term only for Perospero, Daifuku, Oven, and Compote because again those were the only four BMP at the tea party that were hyped up alongside two Sweet Generals.