General & Others If Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe will face the calamities, the rest of the mugiwaras will face the flying six
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Don't fool yourself, it has nothing to do with understimating the other SHs.
If we assume that the F6 are close in power then we have to remember that Page One took heavy kicks from Sanji with the RS and still was not down. As for Drake, Sanji's kick without RS did nothing.
Sure, we can say that Sanji wasn't going all out, but even his base attacks should be a bigger threat than the others.
Nami can be very tricky with Zeus and I'm confident she would be a great support in a fight with F6 just like in the fight against Cracker, the same for Usopp if he plays a role like he did in the Stamped movie.
I do think they can play a important role in fighting the Flying 6, however, by no means in a 1x1.
If we assume that the F6 are close in power then we have to remember that Page One took heavy kicks from Sanji with the RS and still was not down. As for Drake, Sanji's kick without RS did nothing.
Sure, we can say that Sanji wasn't going all out, but even his base attacks should be a bigger threat than the others.
Nami can be very tricky with Zeus and I'm confident she would be a great support in a fight with F6 just like in the fight against Cracker, the same for Usopp if he plays a role like he did in the Stamped movie.
I do think they can play a important role in fighting the Flying 6, however, by no means in a 1x1.
Well see about that, but I see it fitting for Luffy's top 3 to be the people who started it all with him, but it isn't farfetched to believe that since Yassop pretty much like Usopp. We'll see but I honestly will feel pretty disappointed if I didn't get the Eneis Lobby setup, because you can't just, as an author keep depending on allies to do the job for the straw hats again and again, that is sooo lame, we have been following them for 20 years not some allies they met a couple of arcs before, so it is Oda's responsibility to make them shine, he failed to develop the straw hats
I humbly disagree with you, I'm unconvinced by this mainstream and popular way of thinking, and I won't believe it just because everyone else does.
There are 13 All-Stars (Ace, King, Queen, Jack, Ten, Nine, Eight, Seven, Six, Five, Four, Three and Two)
Then there are the headliners, the Flying six aren't a separate rank of their own, at the end of the day they are headliners, only that in terms of strength they are stronger, but in terms of authority, they are like any other headliner
There are 13 All-Stars (Ace, King, Queen, Jack, Ten, Nine, Eight, Seven, Six, Five, Four, Three and Two)
Then there are the headliners, the Flying six aren't a separate rank of their own, at the end of the day they are headliners, only that in terms of strength they are stronger, but in terms of authority, they are like any other headliner
I don't know why you're unable to get my point of view, I think I wasn't clear enough; I already said that there's no such a thing as Veteran level and that they're all just Yonko commanders and Yonko commanders can range in strength anywhere from Bobbins level to Rayleigh's level. The numbers ARE All-Stars, there's no such a rank as numbers, THEY ARE ALL-STARS, meaning they're of the same rank as King, Queen and Jack. And if you guys don't want to believe me then fine, I'll give you a proof. Did you guys realise that All-Stars have ships that have the heads of their zones? Jack has a mammoth, Queen has a Brachiosaurus, and there was a ship with a scorpion, meaning that there's an All-Star who has a scorpion devil fruit, but King has the Pteranodon, hmmm, oh wait the playing card has FREAKING NUMBERS TOO, so there's a guy whose name is TEN, and another called NINE, EIGHT and so on, the guy who has the scorpion fruit is the same guy who said he'll call Jack in punk hazard, meaning he is of the same rank as him calling him so casually, no headliner F6 or not will call Jack's name without horrifics. There's my proof
So basically what I had in mind.
Whitebeard Pirates
Captain (Whitebeard)
Executives (Marco, Ace, Jozu, Thatch, Vista, Blamenco, Rakuyo, Namur, Blenheim, Curiel, Kingdew, Haruta, Atmos, Speed Jiru, Fossa, Izo)
Fodder (Division Commander Subordinates)
Pirate Captain Subordinates (Subordinate Captains)
Blackbeard Pirates
Captain (Blackbeard)
Executives (Jesus Burgess, Shiryu, Van Auger, Avalo Pizzaro, Lafitte, Caterina Devon, Sanjan Wolf, Vasco Shot, Doc Q)
Fodder (Other Subordinates)
Pirate Captain Subordinates (Subordinate Captains)
Red-Hair Pirates
Captain (Shanks)
Executives (Ben Beckman, Lucky Roux, Yasopp, Them Unnamed 6 Guys)
Fodder (Other Subordinates)
Pirate Captain Subordinates (???)
Beasts Pirates
Captain (Kaido)
Executives (King, Queen, Jack, "Ten," "Nine," "Eight," "Seven," "Six," "Five," "Four," "Three," "Two," "One")
Fodder (Gifters, Waiters, Pleasures)
Pirate Captain Subordinates (Headliners)
(Kaido Jr. may be the "Ace.)
Big Mom Pirates
Captain (Big Mom) & "Assistant" (Streusen)
Executives (Katakuri, Cracker, Smoothie, Perospero, Compote, Daifuku, Oven) (+Other Ministers, +Other Charlottes)
Fodder (Homies)
Pirate Captain Subordinates (Fighters, ???)
Captain (Whitebeard)
Executives (Marco, Ace, Jozu, Thatch, Vista, Blamenco, Rakuyo, Namur, Blenheim, Curiel, Kingdew, Haruta, Atmos, Speed Jiru, Fossa, Izo)
Fodder (Division Commander Subordinates)
Pirate Captain Subordinates (Subordinate Captains)
Blackbeard Pirates
Captain (Blackbeard)
Executives (Jesus Burgess, Shiryu, Van Auger, Avalo Pizzaro, Lafitte, Caterina Devon, Sanjan Wolf, Vasco Shot, Doc Q)
Fodder (Other Subordinates)
Pirate Captain Subordinates (Subordinate Captains)
Red-Hair Pirates
Captain (Shanks)
Executives (Ben Beckman, Lucky Roux, Yasopp, Them Unnamed 6 Guys)
Fodder (Other Subordinates)
Pirate Captain Subordinates (???)
Beasts Pirates
Captain (Kaido)
Executives (King, Queen, Jack, "Ten," "Nine," "Eight," "Seven," "Six," "Five," "Four," "Three," "Two," "One")
Fodder (Gifters, Waiters, Pleasures)
Pirate Captain Subordinates (Headliners)
(Kaido Jr. may be the "Ace.)
Big Mom Pirates
Captain (Big Mom) & "Assistant" (Streusen)
Executives (Katakuri, Cracker, Smoothie, Perospero, Compote, Daifuku, Oven) (+Other Ministers, +Other Charlottes)
Fodder (Homies)
Pirate Captain Subordinates (Fighters, ???)
There are, at most, 4 All-Stars: Ace (if they exist), King, Queen and Jack. The Numbers are numbers, and not specified as All-Stars.
The only thing we can't really argue right now is how the Numbers compare to the Flying Six or the All Stars. I assume they are powerful considering their immense presence and doublespread in Act 2.
I agree that they are all "executives" though probably. Or at least the "Cards"
First of all, show some respect.
Second, your info was biased. There wasn't "a ship" with a scorpion figurehead, there were many of them. This is a manga fact. So either you rewrite your post in a more honest way or you admit you made a mistake/lied on purpose.
Third, the point of Jack and Queen's ships is that they're customized for them. There isn't a fleet of Mammoths, there's The Mammoth as Jack's personal flagship. So your comparison would work if The Scorpion was a thing, but it can't be unless there are dispensable copies of it.
What if instead of acting so cocky you actually answer my counter-points? It is not like I was mocking you or something.
Second, your info was biased. There wasn't "a ship" with a scorpion figurehead, there were many of them. This is a manga fact. So either you rewrite your post in a more honest way or you admit you made a mistake/lied on purpose.
Third, the point of Jack and Queen's ships is that they're customized for them. There isn't a fleet of Mammoths, there's The Mammoth as Jack's personal flagship. So your comparison would work if The Scorpion was a thing, but it can't be unless there are dispensable copies of it.
What if instead of acting so cocky you actually answer my counter-points? It is not like I was mocking you or something.
Didn't you read me say in the post before that I agree with your opinion about veterans and veteran level? That doesent mean I agree with where you rank Kaidos crew members strength wise.
The Numbers are being called that because that's what they are. If they were All Stars, there would be no point in calling them Numbers. Or does it make sense for you that there are Calamities and Numbers (two totally unrelated terms) among the All Stars? King, Queen and Jack are above anyone not named Kaido strength and authority wise.
The Tobbi Roppo are headliners, true. But every headliner outside of them (and Hawkins, who just joined recently), has been fodderized. They are introduced in that way because they stick out from the rest. If you have them range from Gallette to Perospero strength wise, then there is no point in them existing. They are a special unit which Kaido wants to show off in front of BM. He wouldn't do that with the Sheapsheads or Holdems of the world, come on.
And for the bolded, where is your proof for this?
The Numbers are being called that because that's what they are. If they were All Stars, there would be no point in calling them Numbers. Or does it make sense for you that there are Calamities and Numbers (two totally unrelated terms) among the All Stars? King, Queen and Jack are above anyone not named Kaido strength and authority wise.
The Tobbi Roppo are headliners, true. But every headliner outside of them (and Hawkins, who just joined recently), has been fodderized. They are introduced in that way because they stick out from the rest. If you have them range from Gallette to Perospero strength wise, then there is no point in them existing. They are a special unit which Kaido wants to show off in front of BM. He wouldn't do that with the Sheapsheads or Holdems of the world, come on.
And for the bolded, where is your proof for this?