U play safe my man in these days.. i cant see ruthless nidai anymore at your eyes which i met at peak of Hakimen era..When i saw u first time at battlefield aganist clowns , my impression was like
In all seriousness, we had too many Sanji fans those days. They all disappeared after the WCI or converted to Zoro fans. So dont see much opposition these days, the Zoro-Sanji threads are just a laughing stock in the entire community now, lol.
These new Zoro haters cant even kill my boredom
In all seriousness, we had too many Sanji fans those days. They all disappeared after the WCI or converted to Zoro fans. So dont see much opposition these days, the Zoro-Sanji threads are just a laughing stock in the entire community now, lol.
In all seriousness, we had too many Sanji fans those days. They all disappeared after the WCI or converted to Zoro fans. So dont see much opposition these days, the Zoro-Sanji threads are just a laughing stock in the entire community now, lol.
I am not complaining, your memes are absolutely top tier, I havent seen anybody making as good as your memes here, probably @Blackbeard . The Sanji-Vergo courtroom meme is PK tier, lol
Introduction
I've gone on a frenzy over the past week in the spoiler and chapter threads wanking Zoro and his feat in Chapter 1009 to the Moon. It's been a bit unhealthy, and I should probably take a breather and calm down. However, that justifies taking a few days off, not the several weeks/months I intend.
Why I Feel a Break is Necessary
There's a certain current of resistance and downplay, that I found just mind breaking to engage with, and extrapolating this over the rest of the Rooftop fight, I just gave up. The prospect of going through this every week is disheartening.
I don't want to deal with what's currently happening.
I feel like the reactions to Zoro blocking Hakai from a large contingent of the community hasn't been:
"Oh my fucking God, Zoro stopped a finisher combination attack of two Yonkou, he must have top tier defence", but:
"These characters are stronger than Zoro, so they should be able to pull it off too".
Many people basically left Zoro wherever they had him in their headcanon, downplayed the feat as much as they could get away with and adjusted everyone else upwards.
The claim that Luffy could do it for example is insane.
Zoro ordered all the other 4 Supernova to run away:
Zoro clearly did not think the rest of the 4 Supernova combined could block Hakai.
The Yonkou were shocked out of their mind that Hakai was stopped:
The Yonkou did not think it was possible for even the 5 Supernova working together to block Hakai.
The feat Zoro pulled off where he held back the attack for a few seconds is a feat that neither Zoro nor the Rocks Duo believed the other Supernova working together could accomplish.
The implication is that even working together, Luffy + Kidd + Killer + Law get wiped out by Hakai without slowing it down enough to escape.
That is what the manga is showing, yet people want to argue that Luffy can?
Because?
Because they believe Luffy is stronger than Zoro? Because they've capped Zoro at a certain level and so whenever Zoro pulls off a feat, they don't raise his level, they downplay the hell out of the feat and assume everyone else can pull it off.
As I said elsewhere:
Earnestness
So I take powerscaling very seriously. I put a lot of effort into my engagement with the OP fandom here. Maybe not all of my participation is welcome, maybe tagging so many people is highly obnoxious, maybe my Zoro wank is stifling, maybe I'm "toxic".
Whatever other flaws I have, I'm generally earnest. The vast majority of the time, I try to be straightforward in my engagement (even though I do have my biases. I may pull a stunt once in a while, make the occasional troll post), but > 95% of my content in the One Piece section is my sincere beliefs.
Conclusions
This sheer stubbornness in the fandom regarding their preconceptions is just not something I feel like I'm willing to debate with.
If you're going to outright ignore the manga because it doesn't fit your headcanons, then I'm not participating.
Maybe I'll return to One Piece discussions after some months, perhaps when there's more context to go off of and folks have been able to better digest what happened, but for now, I'm done.
Hey, maybe I'm crazy: "You're overreacting", "this feat is inconsistent", "this is an outlier", "you're missing something very basic that others have seen". Those are all hypotheses that merit consideration. I can't say I've particularly given that the adequate consideration, but they are something that I'm aware of.
Either I'm wrong (in which case stepping back and seeing how well my position ages is advisable), or I'm right (in which case I currently cannot healthily engage with the fandom). Regardless of how things shake out, there's like a sheer gap in how things have been processed that I feel is currently insurmountable.
I also don't want to deal with the same pigheaded stubbornness every time Zoro gets a feat that shatters people's headcanons.
I don't really enjoy the Ws and Ls games either, so the trolling and countertrolling is not for me.
I think it would be best to return in several months, when the fandom has had time to process things. I might skip the Rooftop battle entirely, I'm not sure yet.
Tl;Dr
I got the perception that many people have strong preconceptions about how strong Zoro is allowed to be, and that regardless of the feats Zoro accomplished, they were unwilling to let go of their preconceptions.
This made me feel like debating for Zoro was pointless, so I decided to pause it.
I asked @Bogard and @Pantheos for an Udon ban for two months (I'll probably extend it as needed). Until the ban goes into effect, I'll probably reply as needed.
I've gone on a frenzy over the past week in the spoiler and chapter threads wanking Zoro and his feat in Chapter 1009 to the Moon. It's been a bit unhealthy, and I should probably take a breather and calm down. However, that justifies taking a few days off, not the several weeks/months I intend.
Why I Feel a Break is Necessary
There's a certain current of resistance and downplay, that I found just mind breaking to engage with, and extrapolating this over the rest of the Rooftop fight, I just gave up. The prospect of going through this every week is disheartening.
I don't want to deal with what's currently happening.
I feel like the reactions to Zoro blocking Hakai from a large contingent of the community hasn't been:
"Oh my fucking God, Zoro stopped a finisher combination attack of two Yonkou, he must have top tier defence", but:
"These characters are stronger than Zoro, so they should be able to pull it off too".
Many people basically left Zoro wherever they had him in their headcanon, downplayed the feat as much as they could get away with and adjusted everyone else upwards.
The claim that Luffy could do it for example is insane.
Zoro ordered all the other 4 Supernova to run away:
Zoro clearly did not think the rest of the 4 Supernova combined could block Hakai.
The Yonkou were shocked out of their mind that Hakai was stopped:
The Yonkou did not think it was possible for even the 5 Supernova working together to block Hakai.
The feat Zoro pulled off where he held back the attack for a few seconds is a feat that neither Zoro nor the Rocks Duo believed the other Supernova working together could accomplish.
The implication is that even working together, Luffy + Kidd + Killer + Law get wiped out by Hakai without slowing it down enough to escape.
That is what the manga is showing, yet people want to argue that Luffy can?
Because?
Because they believe Luffy is stronger than Zoro? Because they've capped Zoro at a certain level and so whenever Zoro pulls off a feat, they don't raise his level, they downplay the hell out of the feat and assume everyone else can pull it off.
As I said elsewhere:
Earnestness
So I take powerscaling very seriously. I put a lot of effort into my engagement with the OP fandom here. Maybe not all of my participation is welcome, maybe tagging so many people is highly obnoxious, maybe my Zoro wank is stifling, maybe I'm "toxic".
Whatever other flaws I have, I'm generally earnest. The vast majority of the time, I try to be straightforward in my engagement (even though I do have my biases. I may pull a stunt once in a while, make the occasional troll post), but > 95% of my content in the One Piece section is my sincere beliefs.
Conclusions
This sheer stubbornness in the fandom regarding their preconceptions is just not something I feel like I'm willing to debate with.
If you're going to outright ignore the manga because it doesn't fit your headcanons, then I'm not participating.
Maybe I'll return to One Piece discussions after some months, perhaps when there's more context to go off of and folks have been able to better digest what happened, but for now, I'm done.
Hey, maybe I'm crazy: "You're overreacting", "this feat is inconsistent", "this is an outlier", "you're missing something very basic that others have seen". Those are all hypotheses that merit consideration. I can't say I've particularly given that the adequate consideration, but they are something that I'm aware of.
Either I'm wrong (in which case stepping back and seeing how well my position ages is advisable), or I'm right (in which case I currently cannot healthily engage with the fandom). Regardless of how things shake out, there's like a sheer gap in how things have been processed that I feel is currently insurmountable.
I also don't want to deal with the same pigheaded stubbornness every time Zoro gets a feat that shatters people's headcanons.
I don't really enjoy the Ws and Ls games either, so the trolling and countertrolling is not for me.
I think it would be best to return in several months, when the fandom has had time to process things. I might skip the Rooftop battle entirely, I'm not sure yet.
Tl;Dr
I got the perception that many people have strong preconceptions about how strong Zoro is allowed to be, and that regardless of the feats Zoro accomplished, they were unwilling to let go of their preconceptions.
This made me feel like debating for Zoro was pointless, so I decided to pause it.
I asked @Bogard and @Pantheos for an Udon ban for two months (I'll probably extend it as needed). Until the ban goes into effect, I'll probably reply as needed.
you arent going to convince everyone of your opinion cin
thats the first thing everyone here needs to realise
you engage with those who are willing to be malleable
and give no time to scrubs who insist /are stubborn regardless of facts provided.
for what its worth
the jozu claim is ridiculous
but your 3 admiral thread was equally so.
a break is good
and no you arent crazy.
thats the first thing everyone here needs to realise
you engage with those who are willing to be malleable
and give no time to scrubs who insist /are stubborn regardless of facts provided.
for what its worth
the jozu claim is ridiculous
but your 3 admiral thread was equally so.
a break is good
and no you arent crazy.
S
Also why make a thread announcing your break ? That's some heavy narcissist shit lmfao.
Imagine thinking you're so self important and entitled because you can't take other's opinions. Acting like you're part of some minority that gets consistently dumped on, when you're literally one of the top members of the most prominent fandom on this site.
Cry me a river, Cinera. Maybe consider growing a pair next time.
Imagine thinking you're so self important and entitled because you can't take other's opinions. Acting like you're part of some minority that gets consistently dumped on, when you're literally one of the top members of the most prominent fandom on this site.
Cry me a river, Cinera. Maybe consider growing a pair next time.
I get what you mean.
Making exhaustive threads to prove a point can feel really unrewarding when readers don't take your arguments into account in their reply.
But it's even more frustrating to see them in constant denial although you're proved right each week a chapter drops. It's beyond tiring.
Well take care
Making exhaustive threads to prove a point can feel really unrewarding when readers don't take your arguments into account in their reply.
But it's even more frustrating to see them in constant denial although you're proved right each week a chapter drops. It's beyond tiring.
Well take care
It’s really not that serious man.....anyone who knows me knows I fuxk with Cinera, but you tweaking hea Blood. You’re literally telling us that you’re worn out and harming your mental state cause people don’t blindly agree with you over a Japanese Cartoon....
Then to hit us with tha MLA Format 5 paragraph essay on why you taking a break.....bruh
Then to hit us with tha MLA Format 5 paragraph essay on why you taking a break.....bruh
