Controversial "Imu using a sword to kill Luffy isn't Hawk Eye upscale"
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Yoru
Dracule Mihawk
Renowned as "the world's strongest," the supreme black blade in which "hardness" and "softness" are held in perfect balance.
Mihawk's sword is called 至高の黒刀 (shikō no kokutō) "the supreme black blade."
至高 is "supreme / the highest / paramount" (至 "reaching the utmost" + 高 "high") with a slightly exalted, almost sacral register.
黒刀 is "black blade", the rare class of sword blackened through being forged for years, the apex form a blade can attain.
"And then, with the courtesy owed by one who is a swordsman, I shall send you under with this black blade. The world's strongest."
Yoru
Dracule Mihawk
Renowned as "the world's strongest," the supreme black blade in which "hardness" and "softness" are held in perfect balance.
Mihawk's sword is called 至高の黒刀 (shikō no kokutō) "the supreme black blade."
至高 is "supreme / the highest / paramount" (至 "reaching the utmost" + 高 "high") with a slightly exalted, almost sacral register.
黒刀 is "black blade", the rare class of sword blackened through being forged for years, the apex form a blade can attain.
"And then, with the courtesy owed by one who is a swordsman, I shall send you under with this black blade. The world's strongest."
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Yes, I agree to the point that Luffy is vulnerable to sharp weapons like every other mortal. The issue is that people... argue he's more vulnerable to sharp weapons than human top tiers which is just completely wrong.
Yes, there are some characters with extremely tough skin who can straight up tank sharp weapons but they either use DFs to harden their skin or are "natural born destroyers." On the other hand, does it even matter when you're facing a top tier?
Yes, there are some characters with extremely tough skin who can straight up tank sharp weapons but they either use DFs to harden their skin or are "natural born destroyers." On the other hand, does it even matter when you're facing a top tier?
Right, cause Oda is completely incapable of misleading the audience. Not like the World's Strongest Creature or the World's Strongest Man titles both got shown up in their primes by the presence of contemporary but unknown secret individuals.
Oh wait...
True, it is cope spouted by the most rabid Mihawk haters but...
This is the other side of that same cope coin. Why aren't devil fruit/additional powers counted when a good chunk of sword wielders have them?
Especially when you have things like cursed swords that give their wielders additional power to begin with. Is Cavendish not a swordsman because he gets a colossal speed boost from a cursed sword? What is the functional difference between Cavendish with his speed boosting cursed sword and Cavendish with a non-cursed sword of equal quality and a speed boost devil fruit?
After all, devil fruits don't disqualify the other two World's Strongest titles, why would it disqualify this one?
Nik is insane but he takes his arguments to their logical conclusion. This in comparison is just peculiar nitpicking. Lol.
Oh wait...
True, it is cope spouted by the most rabid Mihawk haters but...
This is the other side of that same cope coin. Why aren't devil fruit/additional powers counted when a good chunk of sword wielders have them?
Especially when you have things like cursed swords that give their wielders additional power to begin with. Is Cavendish not a swordsman because he gets a colossal speed boost from a cursed sword? What is the functional difference between Cavendish with his speed boosting cursed sword and Cavendish with a non-cursed sword of equal quality and a speed boost devil fruit?
After all, devil fruits don't disqualify the other two World's Strongest titles, why would it disqualify this one?
Nik is insane but he takes his arguments to their logical conclusion. This in comparison is just peculiar nitpicking. Lol.
Right, cause Oda is completely incapable of misleading the audience. Not like the World's Strongest Creature or the World's Strongest Man titles both got shown up in their primes by the presence of contemporary but unknown secret individuals.
Oh wait...
Oh wait...
Not only is it Zoro's dream so it has to be a real thing he can actually aim for, but Mihawk's Vivre Card says it is true in both name and reality. Vivre Cards that Oda says are canon.
Zoro's dream isn't going to be invalidated because of Imu because Imu isn't the strongest swordsman.
Because the title of strongest swordsman is about a battle of swords, it is a sword duel
Whatever Oda allows in a sword duel is pretty arbitrary, but obviously the fight has to be primarily with a sword and whatever you're using to amplify your swordsmanship as opposed to something like shooting lasers, lightning, magma, and black fire nukes.
It isn't a sword duel if your opponent switches from a sword to a flail to a mace mid fight, it has to be primarily with a sword.
This should be obvious because King vs Zoro makes a distinction between a sword duel and an all out fight where everything goes.
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Every other? Not really
If anyone is saying Luffy's more vulnerable than most, I haven't seen it. That's not what I've been saying.
They didn't. Whitebeard was undefeated for the 20 years after Roger died and like Kaido, didn't lose 1v1 in the end. Can Mihawk lose if fighting several people in the same go? Sure if that's your point.
If anyone is saying Luffy's more vulnerable than most, I haven't seen it. That's not what I've been saying.
They didn't. Whitebeard was undefeated for the 20 years after Roger died and like Kaido, didn't lose 1v1 in the end. Can Mihawk lose if fighting several people in the same go? Sure if that's your point.
So if a character were to say, I dunno, use their completely unrelated to anything sword related powers to turn a sword (which they switched to using after a wielding a pole arm and a cannon) into a life stealing blade of demonic death magic then that isn't swordsmanship?
So it can't be used to upscale Mihawk? Which is the whole premise of this thread?
GG. Nice talk. Close thread.
So it can't be used to upscale Mihawk? Which is the whole premise of this thread?
GG. Nice talk. Close thread.
Imu doesn't count in either of those cases.
If you want to apply him to saying that there should be an asterisk next to Mihawk, I think it's pretty obvious that he'll go back to his random fighting style in later encounters. If he can't beat an unarmed man with a sword then I'm not putting him above Mihawk as a swordsman.
Yeah, mortals like Akainu. What else you got?
If you want to apply him to saying that there should be an asterisk next to Mihawk, I think it's pretty obvious that he'll go back to his random fighting style in later encounters. If he can't beat an unarmed man with a sword then I'm not putting him above Mihawk as a swordsman.
Yeah, mortals like Akainu. What else you got?
