Questions & Mysteries Is advanced CoC really only no touching?
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The problem with this is, it gets in the way of attacks that require contact for full effectiveness, like Zoro's slashes, or Kaidou's blazing attack, or let's say Sanji unlocked advCoC, he would by default require contact otherwise DJ/IJ serves no purpose.
So fundamentally this requires thought, it goes beyond aesthetics.
Oda's not saying, "let me draw a barrier here, but not here for fun". It's more like, "this attack makes no sense to have a barrier around it, vs this attack could benefit from ID"
Which is why I believe ID CoA plays a major part.
So fundamentally this requires thought, it goes beyond aesthetics.
Oda's not saying, "let me draw a barrier here, but not here for fun". It's more like, "this attack makes no sense to have a barrier around it, vs this attack could benefit from ID"
Which is why I believe ID CoA plays a major part.
It's sad you see it that way..
He went from a Great ID CoA..
To a Great AdCoC..
To an Insane AdCoC + ID CoA..
That's the Pushed Cushion..
This is the Blown Balloon..
Saying it's my own terminology and all, is not a way to refute my point..
I'd go further and say AdCoC is the power to pressure(overhwhelm) the direct space around your personal range..
He went from a Great ID CoA..
To a Great AdCoC..
To an Insane AdCoC + ID CoA..
That's the Pushed Cushion..
This is the Blown Balloon..
Saying it's my own terminology and all, is not a way to refute my point..
I'd go further and say AdCoC is the power to pressure(overhwhelm) the direct space around your personal range..
I'll just address these two points since we were mostly agreed on everything else.
If you make a big enough barrier with level 2 and imbue it with CoC then you will be attacking without touching. Hyou never considered it attacking without touching because his barriers were too small to do it. But if, say, Galaxy Fist is level 2 CoA as you acknowledged is a possibility, that would undeniably be considered attacking without touching.
Yeah possibly
See now I'm confused. Portrayal-wise, Luffy used the exact same technique as Rogerbeard used - we can infer this through Oden and Law's statements. So if Luffy was using level 3 CoA, then it's highly likely that WB and Roger were too. Furthermore, you just said that you believe you can't 'not-touch' using only level 2 CoA or did I misinterpret your response? So even according to your understanding, Rogerbeard must've been using level 3 CoA no?
Furthermore, Rayleigh is an ACoC user. He was seen walking and emitting black lines vs Blackbeard. Yes, I'm aware other characters have emitted black lines and it's not necessarily ACoC but let's be real, it's Rayleigh we're talking about here. Rayleigh was emitting black lines at a time where Oda is slowly revealing to us who all the ACoC users are through the emitting of black CoC lines. Plus Zoro is an ACoC user so it's safe to assume Rayleigh was too considering Zoro hasn't reached prime Rayleigh yet.
Rayleigh is also a level 3 CoA user. We know this because Luffy used level 3 CoA to destroy the handcuffs. Yamato couldn't do it herself because she doesn't have ID CoA to destroy the cuffs from the inside. If Luffy used ID CoA to destroy the cuffs, then so did Rayleigh as they performed the exact same feat. Furthermore, when Luffy saved Hyo by removing the handcuffs, Hyo was shocked that he finally managed to get it right which means destroying the handcuffs is a level 3 feat. Hyo is a level 2 user, and he couldn't do it himself. So Rayleigh can also use ACoC + ID CoA.
Additionally, Sabo may also be a level 3 CoA user. He destroyed the ring from the inside. If he has awakened ACoC then he'd also go into that category. I said Shanks might because let's be real, it's Shanks. Bro's probably maxed out his Haki, especially if he's seemingly copied Roger. Garp is a solid bet too, as you acknowledged.
If you make a big enough barrier with level 2 and imbue it with CoC then you will be attacking without touching. Hyou never considered it attacking without touching because his barriers were too small to do it. But if, say, Galaxy Fist is level 2 CoA as you acknowledged is a possibility, that would undeniably be considered attacking without touching.
Yeah possibly
See now I'm confused. Portrayal-wise, Luffy used the exact same technique as Rogerbeard used - we can infer this through Oden and Law's statements. So if Luffy was using level 3 CoA, then it's highly likely that WB and Roger were too. Furthermore, you just said that you believe you can't 'not-touch' using only level 2 CoA or did I misinterpret your response? So even according to your understanding, Rogerbeard must've been using level 3 CoA no?
Furthermore, Rayleigh is an ACoC user. He was seen walking and emitting black lines vs Blackbeard. Yes, I'm aware other characters have emitted black lines and it's not necessarily ACoC but let's be real, it's Rayleigh we're talking about here. Rayleigh was emitting black lines at a time where Oda is slowly revealing to us who all the ACoC users are through the emitting of black CoC lines. Plus Zoro is an ACoC user so it's safe to assume Rayleigh was too considering Zoro hasn't reached prime Rayleigh yet.
Rayleigh is also a level 3 CoA user. We know this because Luffy used level 3 CoA to destroy the handcuffs. Yamato couldn't do it herself because she doesn't have ID CoA to destroy the cuffs from the inside. If Luffy used ID CoA to destroy the cuffs, then so did Rayleigh as they performed the exact same feat. Furthermore, when Luffy saved Hyo by removing the handcuffs, Hyo was shocked that he finally managed to get it right which means destroying the handcuffs is a level 3 feat. Hyo is a level 2 user, and he couldn't do it himself. So Rayleigh can also use ACoC + ID CoA.
Additionally, Sabo may also be a level 3 CoA user. He destroyed the ring from the inside. If he has awakened ACoC then he'd also go into that category. I said Shanks might because let's be real, it's Shanks. Bro's probably maxed out his Haki, especially if he's seemingly copied Roger. Garp is a solid bet too, as you acknowledged.
So you are saying BM has level 3 coa but Kaido who is superior in every way doesn't? Nah
And Kaido isn't superior in every way lol
With this logic, we should grant everyone the same stats and skills cause they're top tiers or superior to X
Kaido doesn't have adcoa. He only has ryuo (floe, barrier)
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Stop trying to make up stuff dude
You're confusing yourself and everyone
First of all, Garp's move is shockwave based
AdCoC + adcoa doesn't make a sphere or huge ring
AdCoA = internal damage
CoC coating = amplifies your attacks
No touch or with touch doesn't matter much
Kaido may have adcoa but isn't confirmed or shown clearly
Also Kaido was busy wondering about "oden's ryuo" either he has no flow, just barrier and CoC coating Or he is being dumb .
Anyway,
Stop your confusing threads
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I'm just giving my opinion..
It did make a Sphere for Galaxy Impact?.. And the Ring happens when there is a AdCoC + ID CoA Clash..
I don't know but AdCoC can be either Emission Defense or Internal Destruction Defense.. So you can't just blatantly AdCoA for everything.. There's Level 2 and 3..
It does matter.. AdCoC is the only no touch..
Kaido may have CoA Emission but definitely not Internal Destruction CoA, which is why he lost against Luffy..
That's a good point Kaido didn't understand why the Scabbards could cut his Scales..
It did make a Sphere for Galaxy Impact?.. And the Ring happens when there is a AdCoC + ID CoA Clash..
I don't know but AdCoC can be either Emission Defense or Internal Destruction Defense.. So you can't just blatantly AdCoA for everything.. There's Level 2 and 3..
It does matter.. AdCoC is the only no touch..
Kaido may have CoA Emission but definitely not Internal Destruction CoA, which is why he lost against Luffy..
That's a good point Kaido didn't understand why the Scabbards could cut his Scales..
Ok i will leave at that.. Luffy Showcased AdCoC for the first time.. Why would he put incorporate CoA to it when he's testing out his new power, that doesn't make sense to me.. So yeah i will come up with whatever.. Can't we just accept that Luffy is using only the power he just got with no other Haki combination?.. That's my point..