General & Others Is all black lightning ACoC? How is ACoC shown?

#22
How isn’t it vague?
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I can see it either way. I don’t understand why haki lightning wasn’t as prominent prior to a ACoC. Maybe I just didn’t notice it until after.
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I don’t see anything wrong with your approach lol. I’ll confirm if a character was using it or not when we get their Vivre card lol.
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I think Oda just wants us to debate. It keeps fans engaged.
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Sign me up 😂😂
I think oda started using haki lightning a lot in WCI.
 
#25
After Onigashima all very big and thick lightnings are CoC.



Then not a single G5 attack Is AdvCoC, which Is factually not true as per Kaido's words.





This all Is CoC explicitly, even before than logically.

But I could have posted the paradise Totsuka or a even Shanks' Kamusari:



Here we have fanting, but no trails whatsoever.
This right here is the problem. There's very little continuity to it

Divine Departure has none of the trails but is clearly meant to be an ACoC attack. The only reason we know that is because Kidd's crew passed out afterwards

So in the case of something like that but without any (fodder) bystanders how do you determine if it's ACoC or not

Perfect example: Zoro vs Lucci




On paper it looks like one but who can really say
 
#26
This right here is the problem. There's very little continuity to it

Divine Departure has none of the trails but is clearly meant to be an ACoC attack. The only reason we know that is because Kidd's crew passed out afterwards

So in the case of something like that but without any (fodder) bystanders how do you determine if it's ACoC or not

Perfect example: Zoro vs Lucci


For me Zoros is clear CoC. It even follows the hell theme of Zoros CoC attacks.
 
#27
For me Zoros is clear CoC. It even follows the hell theme of Zoros CoC attacks.
Don't get me wrong I think it is too

But according to some people it's the trails, according to other people it's the sound effects, according to other people it's just if there's any lightning at all, etc

Everyone has different ways of defining it because Oda wants to change the way it looks on a whim
 
#28
After Onigashima all very big and thick lightnings are CoC.



Then not a single G5 attack Is AdvCoC, which Is factually not true as per Kaido's words.





This all Is CoC explicitly, even before than logically.

But I could have posted the paradise Totsuka or even Shanks' Kamusari:



Here we have fanting, but no trails whatsoever.
I never said it was an absolute rule, rather if it looks like those images I posted, you can guarantee it's ACoC, if it doesn't look like those images, you're just assuming it is ACoC when it's equally as likely to be CoA.
 
#29
I never said it was an absolute rule, rather if it looks like those images I posted, you can guarantee it's ACoC, if it doesn't look like those images, you're just assuming it is ACoC when it's equally as likely to be CoA.
Ok, I get It.

Even though, post Onigashima, I every big black lightning is AdvCoC imho, since Oda bascially ceased to draw any trails even at Wano.
 
#37
There are 3 ways we can confidently say adv coc is used -

1) Long haki trail before an attack. For example even though ulti has haki trail when clasing with base luffy before attacking him , its too short in nature.

2) Characters saying directly that adv coc is being used.

3) Oda confirming adv coc himself like in SBS for oden
 
#38
lightning has been used for armament clashes/high-impact hits of armament haki for a very long time. Franky suplexing fodder in Wano has black lightning. The only time ACoC seems to be depicted is when Oda is showing the "not even touching" impact. It is probably invisible or represented as a boost to other forms of haki.
 
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