Speculations Is Garp dead and is Kuzan really loyal to BB?

[Devilbat]

What's your opinion?

I think Garp should be dead, his final panel looks his final moments, the chapter is called "Last lesson"....

As for Kuzan, I am still not entirely sure, on the one hand I thought if he kills Garp, he's def loyal to BB, but now I feel like it doesn't really prove anything...

Thoughts?

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

Garp is Alive
Until i see Death Body and narrator said it

 

[Reborn]

Alive


Kuzan used ice to seal Garp wounds..to outsides it appears that he pierced Gparp but it seems he did it to prevent blood loss.

 

[Shasha23]

- Garp is alive and will be the catalyst for the war between Luffy and Teach
- Kuzan is somewhat loyal to Teach and is fully committed to being a titanic captain

 

[milluki]

Garp is a valuable prisoner, could be exchanged for Pirate Island recognition, or his shadow could be taken. Kuzan is not loyal. His plan is most likely to switch sides when Blackbeard attacks Shanks. Redhair is Roger's model student, while Kuzan is Garp's. Just like their masters fought against Rocks, the students will try to defeat the new Rocks.

 

[Deatheye]

Garp is alive, the whole point of taking Koby was to trade him to WG for an official kingdom status for Hachinosu with Blackbeard as its ruler, with Garp this plan can finally succeed. I don't think Blackbeard would be happy if he learned his crew killed his golden ticket.

Kuzan does have his own agenda, but I don't think he's a double agent still working for the marines. More like he sees Blackbeard as the best chance to crash the Celestial Dragon regime and maybe even to see what the one piece is and what the void century was about, considering Ohara still lives rent free in his head. If Oda just makes him X Drake 2.0, it would be absolutely awful.

 

[Just a member]

Garp is dead, otherwise it wouldn't be a joke but the whole circus. And Aokiji has his own agenda imo, you can't simply switch from an admiral who truly believes in justice to a BB underling just because you got beaten by Akainu / get out of the marines.

 

[Koro]

I guess, since Teach target is being present at Reverie, so the Garp should be alive in order to be able to make a deal. And Kuzan is aware of this despite his own agenda.

& It will looks like a kind of drama when Kuzan feel 'hesitate punch' from Garp before punch Pizarro.

Teach will question Kuzan commitment over his ex background if Garp is dead.

 

[Devilbat]

Garp is a valuable prisoner, could be exchanged for Pirate Island recognition, or his shadow could be taken. Kuzan is not loyal. His plan is most likely to switch sides when Blackbeard attacks Shanks. Redhair is Roger's model student, while Kuzan is Garp's. Just like their masters fought against Rocks, the students will try to defeat the new Rocks.

But if Garp went to save Coby on his own accord, with no approvals from Marine HQ, he's probably a SWORD member as well, and is similarly useless to BB.
Although keeping him alive at least till BB arrives makes sense, but I don't see Garp surviving all this.

Interesting parallel with Shanks btw, never thought of that

 

[NikaInParis]

He's alive for sure
The "Last Lesson" could also imply that Coby is now on his own as a fighter - no more lessons, you're meant to stand on your own now as the future of the marines. That type of stuff.

I could see him get executed down the line though, although I wouldn't like it.

 

[Patryipe]

Garp will probably be kept hostage so BB can make a deal.

Kuzan OBVIOUSLY has his own agenda. All he had to do was go to the coast and do an Ice Age and that's the end of the escape, but he let them go.

 

[Apollo]

Garp is alive, this is just a repeat of what happened with Saul during Ohara.

And yes, Kuzan has his own agenda. BB stated as much about his crew having their own agendas while following him, but its definitely not something like working with the Marines/WG.

 

[Devilbat]

Kuzan does have his own agenda, but I don't think he's a double agent still working for the marines. More like he sees Blackbeard as the best chance to crash the Celestial Dragon regime and maybe even to see what the one piece is and what the void century was about, considering Ohara still lives rent free in his head. If Oda just makes him X Drake 2.0, it would be absolutely awful.

Oh definitely, if Kuzan was loyal to Marines, he could always stay there, so he's most likely done for good with them.

At the same time, it's likely that he's got his own agenda and this could involve crushing CDs. As ruthless as Kuzan is, he doesn't seem to be rotten to the core and it feels like he's a man with principles. Also the incident on Ohara could be a starting point for Kuzan to start losing his faith in Marines.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

If a character like Garp was dead, there wouldn't even be any question. It would be like Ace and Whitebeard's death

 

[Moegara]

Garp is more than likely alive, which sucks, but it will allow Blackbeard to make the WG bend to his demands with him as a hostage. He has much better chances than with Koby.

 

[gz89]

I hoped he had the balls to kill him but apparently a coward author never changes.

 

[humanbeing2022]

unless one of the other BBP makes sure that he is dead for good, he is not dead just like Saul, laughing and being frozed lol , the only difference is the laugh style lol

 

[Herrera95]

There is still hope to WorstGen!

 

[Kotone]

I believe Garp is alive

Now with Aokiji
I think he can do both

1 he did not want to end Garp so he didn't

2 I think he is loyal to BB
a little bit
Like I don't think he joined so he can bring down BB at the end.

But I don't know his reason to join

 

[Devilbat]

Now with Aokiji
I think he can do both

1 he did not want to end Garp so he didn't

2 I think he is loyal to BB
a little bit
Like I don't think he joined so he can bring down BB at the end.

But I don't know his reason to join

Yeah, Aokiji isn't super hostile towards BB, not more than towards any other pirates, so he even may respect BB to serve as his 10th captain. But he has his own agenda and being with BBP somehow makes it easier for him to achieve.