Powers & Abilities Is hardening supposed to be impressive?
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Hardening was in idea Oda has come up with at the beginning of the TS to visually show haki. I am old enought to remember all the "vucanization" process debate on our way to FI lol.
Anyway, going on Oda, being as inconsistent and lazy on these things (and unintrested to) as he is, simply started to show invisible haki again more and more frequently and now it's totally useless.
He may use "hardening" to show a particular strong hit or technique, but most of the time not even that.
Anyway, going on Oda, being as inconsistent and lazy on these things (and unintrested to) as he is, simply started to show invisible haki again more and more frequently and now it's totally useless.
He may use "hardening" to show a particular strong hit or technique, but most of the time not even that.
Zoro ate a mountain sized explosion point blank and shrugged it off, most likely with full body hardening.
Surely it has his impressive applications but it's nothing special at this point. Many fodders are able to use hardening and it's only impressive when it's done on large surfaces, in a smart way or when it directly overpowers someone else's hardening.
Here we even have the smart application as well as the overwhelming superiority by Katakuri
Surely it has his impressive applications but it's nothing special at this point. Many fodders are able to use hardening and it's only impressive when it's done on large surfaces, in a smart way or when it directly overpowers someone else's hardening.
Here we even have the smart application as well as the overwhelming superiority by Katakuri
It’s not an or thing, hardening would further increase the durability of his dragon scales. The idea that Kaido just refused to coat himself with coa just makes zero sense.
And his flame dragon torch doesn’t make sense unless he’s also coating himself with CoA seeing how boro breath hurt him.
And big mom had actually CoC lightning erupt from her body, Kaido didn’t.
And his flame dragon torch doesn’t make sense unless he’s also coating himself with CoA seeing how boro breath hurt him.
And big mom had actually CoC lightning erupt from her body, Kaido didn’t.
Yes it makes sense.
Hardening = more durable. More thick skin.
Kaido's issue isn't thick skin.
His issue is Luffy was bypassing his thick skin all together and damaging him with advanced haki.
And with advanced Conqueror's, the attacks damaged him "deeper".
Barrier provides zero protection against advanced haki, because it will just bypass it.
Hardening = more durable. More thick skin.
Kaido's issue isn't thick skin.
His issue is Luffy was bypassing his thick skin all together and damaging him with advanced haki.
And with advanced Conqueror's, the attacks damaged him "deeper".
Barrier provides zero protection against advanced haki, because it will just bypass it.
Exactly, on body it's just harder/thicker skin. On weapons, it's harder weapons. Etc
Kaido's scales is super hard by default, hardening is irrelevant to him.
Internal destruction variant of advanced armament does. Luffy explained in Udon that his aim was to bypass Kaido's scale to begin with.
Advanced Conqueror's is simply strong enough to damage the dragon scale itself, and implication anyway was that dragon scales could by significantly damaged because advanced Conqueror's was "deep" enough.
Advanced Conquerors eat hardening for breakfast, it's simply not relevant. You can defend against that the best using your own advanced Conqueror's, or strong barrier advanced armament.
Let me ask you this. If hardening was even remotely relevant, how come pre udon Luffy did zero damage to Kaido? How come Kid still can't damage kaido without crush?
Kaido's scales is super hard by default, hardening is irrelevant to him.
Internal destruction variant of advanced armament does. Luffy explained in Udon that his aim was to bypass Kaido's scale to begin with.
Advanced Conqueror's is simply strong enough to damage the dragon scale itself, and implication anyway was that dragon scales could by significantly damaged because advanced Conqueror's was "deep" enough.
Advanced Conquerors eat hardening for breakfast, it's simply not relevant. You can defend against that the best using your own advanced Conqueror's, or strong barrier advanced armament.
Let me ask you this. If hardening was even remotely relevant, how come pre udon Luffy did zero damage to Kaido? How come Kid still can't damage kaido without crush?
So on dragon scales it’s harder dragon scales? So again what’s the point of not coating them lmao
Armament, ID, CoC all of these are just boosts to AP and durability; Luffy couldn’t do shit pre Udon cause his AP is shit. That’s why despite not having CoC or any advanced haki Kid and Law could hurt big mom with just CoA; because their fruit amplifies their AP further.
Idk why you’re trying to make it some kinda absolute “CoA can’t block CoC” despite us seeing that it fucking can with Kizaru blocking Luffy lmao
Armament, ID, CoC all of these are just boosts to AP and durability; Luffy couldn’t do shit pre Udon cause his AP is shit. That’s why despite not having CoC or any advanced haki Kid and Law could hurt big mom with just CoA; because their fruit amplifies their AP further.
Idk why you’re trying to make it some kinda absolute “CoA can’t block CoC” despite us seeing that it fucking can with Kizaru blocking Luffy lmao
Adding 1 to 100 is just waste at this point.
ID outright bypass skin, having a harder skin is irrelevant here. Thickness would matter maybe, yes. Can see barrier be effective here.
Against advanced Conqueror's, it's simply irrelevant, too weak.
I've already said strong barrier can; were discussing about hardening here. Barrier >> hardening.
Plus, we don't know if Luffy used advanced Conqueror's with G4 anyway.
ID outright bypass skin, having a harder skin is irrelevant here. Thickness would matter maybe, yes. Can see barrier be effective here.
Against advanced Conqueror's, it's simply irrelevant, too weak.
I've already said strong barrier can; were discussing about hardening here. Barrier >> hardening.
Plus, we don't know if Luffy used advanced Conqueror's with G4 anyway.
When you compare, you need to equate raw haki.
Luffy's raw armament >> marigold.
There is no overcomplicating things, Oda has made it quite simple.
For same character:
Advanced conqueror's >> ID advanced armament > regular advanced armament >> hardening armament > regular invisible armament.
Consider same character.
Luffy with advanced conqueror's hits FAR harder than he does with advanced armament (ID or not).
Luffy with advanced armament hits FAR harder than Luffy with hardening armament.
This is objective.
It's quite simple, no need to create contrivances.
Luffy's raw armament >> marigold.
There is no overcomplicating things, Oda has made it quite simple.
For same character:
Advanced conqueror's >> ID advanced armament > regular advanced armament >> hardening armament > regular invisible armament.
Consider same character.
Luffy with advanced conqueror's hits FAR harder than he does with advanced armament (ID or not).
Luffy with advanced armament hits FAR harder than Luffy with hardening armament.
This is objective.
It's quite simple, no need to create contrivances.
Yet at the same time we have smoker who’s invisible haki was shown to be stronger than his black haki, so do we just ignore that or accept that there’s no hard set rule about this stuff.
Oda does what he wants, he’ll have invisible coa block CoC like with Kizaru blocking base Luffys CoC kick no problem.
The only overcomplication is when people try to create convoluted rules about haki progressions or give certain haki unique abilities beyond basic increasing AP.
Oda does what he wants, he’ll have invisible coa block CoC like with Kizaru blocking base Luffys CoC kick no problem.
The only overcomplication is when people try to create convoluted rules about haki progressions or give certain haki unique abilities beyond basic increasing AP.
