Controversial Is Katakuri v Luffy still the best fight Post-TS?

Best Fight Post Timeskip?

  • Kidd & Law v Big Mom

    Votes: 2 2.3%
  • Luffy v Kaido

    Votes: 14 16.3%
  • Luffy v Katakuri

    Votes: 40 46.5%
  • Luffy v Joker

    Votes: 5 5.8%
  • Zoro v King

    Votes: 35 40.7%
  • Zoro v Killer

    Votes: 4 4.7%
  • Luffy v Hody

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • Sanji v Queen

    Votes: 2 2.3%
  • Sanji v Luffy

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Luffy & Nami v Cracker

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • Law v Vergo

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • Smoker v Vergo

    Votes: 3 3.5%
  • Garp v BBP

    Votes: 3 3.5%
  • Shanks decimates Kidd

    Votes: 3 3.5%

  • Total voters
    86

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#41
Katakuri was just as out of it as Luffy was at that point.

Katakuri was standing on his feet first, but I already showed you that Katakuri was flat on his face still while Luffy was getting out of the hole.

To make it clearer to you I've circled him to make it more obvious that Katakuri was still down as Luffy got out of the hole.
At best for Luffy the fight was a stalemate. At worst, Katakuri gave him the win.
 
#42
At best for Luffy the fight was a stalemate. At worst, Katakuri gave him the win.
I think the fight between Snakeman and Katakuri did end in a stalemate, but its clear that Luffy was in better shape afterwards.

Katakuri getting up to walk over to Luffy was the very limit of what he could do before collapsing again, while Luffy could still do some soru like movement like he did a bit later when escaping the mirror world.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#43
I think the fight between Snakeman and Katakuri did end in a stalemate, but its clear that Luffy was in better shape afterwards.

Katakuri getting up to walk over to Luffy was the very limit of what he could do before collapsing again, while Luffy could still do some soru like movement like he did a bit later when escaping the mirror world.
That's only because Luffy had a reason to continue going on. Katakuri had come to terms with the fight ending there.

You literally see it in Luffy's eyes, he was completely finished, he could barely keep his eyes open. No way he was capable of fighting further, but the fact that his crewmates were on enemy territory waiting for him to return at a specific time simply pushed him forward.

Technically it's true, Katakuri was last to fall (only fell after Luffy was KOd), and first to get back up on his feet.
 
#44
That's only because Luffy had a reason to continue going on. Katakuri had come to terms with the fight ending there.

You literally see it in Luffy's eyes, he was completely finished, he could barely keep his eyes open. No way he was capable of fighting further, but the fact that his crewmates were on enemy territory waiting for him to return at a specific time simply pushed him forward.
Honestly, this part sounds like a skill issue to me.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#45
Honestly, this part sounds like a skill issue to me.
Luffy was incapable of fighting any further this is fact. But he had to be there by 1 am sharp otherwise the plan and his crew were finished.

Katakuri had no reason left to continue struggling, both had NO energy left to fight. Kat gave it his all (after throwing the fight) and heck he was on Luffy's side at that point.

The truth though is

Kat made sure to see Luffy was knocked out, before passing out himself. Then he was also first on his feet, he just had no reason to continue to push forward because he was content and he actually wanted Luffy to escape.
 
H

Herrera95

#46
Bro, this is from a movie, most of the show didn't look anywhere near that good lol.
Whatever.

This is from anime Goku Black arc right? Even more flashy.



You know those two scenes are by the same animator right(also, the latter one is sped up for some reason).

Actually, it definitely is sped up, while the King Kobra clip is slowed down dramatically.

Also, its amazing to me that the scene you consider NOT FLASHY is the one WHERE LUFFY'S FIST IS WRAPPED AROUND BY A GIANT GOLDEN KOBRA.

This is in comparison to this.
Yes I noticed. It was one particular moment to portrait his attack since it is called King Cobra. Is not the whole attack itself. They portraited as a Cobra and then went back to normal fighting. I see no problem with that.

And the comparison you make is way clear how different they are. The whole scene is flashy instead of a single moment.

Which is just a red rock with some nice compositing and effects around it. The scene you linked from WCI is 100 times flashier in terms of added shit than the red roc scene, which is a fairly standard and really cool adaptation of the attack.

Also, here are other examples from the animator you consider "not flashy on WCI", but "too flashy" on Wano even though their style is literally exactly the same.

I think your just full of crap and clearly don't know what you're talking about. You literally linked the same animator with the same animaton style as examples of "One Piece style" and "not one piece style".
You really can't understand since you are comparing one small moment from before Wano to whole episodes filled with flashys everywhere at Wano.

Katakuri was just as out of it as Luffy was at that point.
Nope he wasn't.

Luffy was unconscious fallen on his back with blank eyes. Katakuri felt on his chest just tired with his eyes closed.

Katakuri was standing on his feet first, but I already showed you that Katakuri was flat on his face still while Luffy was getting out of the hole.

To make it clearer to you I've circled him to make it more obvious that Katakuri was still down as Luffy got out of the hole.
Like I said he was just resting. He got up first. He was never out.
 
#47
Whatever.

This is from anime Goku Black arc right? Even more flashy.

How is this particularly flashy? Its just a fairly standard looped CGI aura.

The prior gif from the movie had much more flashy animation.

Yes I noticed. It was one particular moment to portrait his attack since it is called King Cobra. Is not the whole attack itself. They portraited as a Cobra and then went back to normal fighting. I see no problem with that.

And the comparison you make is way clear how different they are. The whole scene is flashy instead of a single moment.
Again, what do you define as flashy???

Like, that Kong Gattling clip is mostly "normal fighting" as you put it. It just has some effects and impact frames. Its a technically more impressive scene than the King Kobra, but it is literally exactly the same sort of style.

You really can't understand since you are comparing one small moment from before Wano to whole episodes filled with flashys everywhere at Wano.
Okay, what do you define as flashy animation? Because I see zero consistency between your definitions.

Nope he wasn't.

Luffy was unconscious fallen on his back with blank eyes. Katakuri felt on his chest just tired with his eyes closed.
Having your eyes closed like that also indicates your unconscious. There is more than one single way to indicate unconsciousness.

Like I said he was just resting. He got up first. He was never out.
Again, having your eyes closed like that is just of suggestive as unconsciousness as having them whited out.

You have provided no evidence to suggest the contrary.

Luffy was incapable of fighting any further this is fact. But he had to be there by 1 am sharp otherwise the plan and his crew were finished.
Luffy couldn't fight seriously any further, but Luffy could still move, and when push came to shove, he was still capable of moving at soru like speeds to save himself from getting stabbed. Thats a significantly better position than Katakuri was in.
Katakuri had no reason left to continue struggling, both had NO energy left to fight. Kat gave it his all (after throwing the fight) and heck he was on Luffy's side at that point.
Yeah, Katakuri did sort of throw the fight by evening the odds(after he felt he'd been given an advantage he viewed as unfair), but I'd say that Luffy was still in better shape than Katakuri. Katakuri standing up and walking over to Luffy was all he could manage to do before his body gave out. Luffy was still able to move if and when he wanted to.
Kat made sure to see Luffy was knocked out, before passing out himself. Then he was also first on his feet, he just had no reason to continue to push forward because he was content and he actually wanted Luffy to escape.
He was content with how the fight had turned out, but I think the difference is that Luffy still had more drive to keep going than Kata. Kata had reached his limit and was content. Luffy was at his limit but was still more than will to keep going because he still had things to do.

If Katakuri had a greater drive, he might of kept going. But he didn't. Those who don't have sufficient drive end up as the losers to those with greater drive.

It was a matter of willpower and drive, and Luffy was better than Katakuri at the end of the day because of those things.
 
#50

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Besides all of them having a good choreography, they are fundamentally follow the same rules and thus resulting in a flow that is visually appealing and a good read at the same time.

Most other post ts fights have too many disrupting factors within the fight itself, like Zoro trying to tame Enma and not to lose his swords, Garp having to fight multiple opponents seperately, Law being required to be saved and Trebol and Bellamy getting in Luffy's way against Doffy etc.​
This, Zoro vs King dropped the ball in most important chapters and too much unecplained shit regarding King's abilities
 
#51
I just started to read manga when pandemics hit on. Idk about Luffy vs Doflamingo difference on anime except the final "clash". But still it was the best post timeskip fight until King vs Zoro. The animation is the same about Doflamingo vs Luffy and Katakuri vs Luffy. One Piece style. Wano destroyed that style by the premise of improving art work. Which makes no sense since you are filled with so many light effects that you can't barely see the art work.

The extended clash at the end sucks but still is way better than Luffy vs Katakuri shit that makes no sense. G4 Boundman surpassed Doflamingo. Snakeman never surpassed Katakuri.
they also added python vs overheat that made no sense and they had boundman throwing normal punches that boundman doesn't do and just looks ugly.
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
#56
also this is manga only none of this added nonsense to make a fight look better than it actually was in the anime.
 
#57
How is this particularly flashy? Its just a fairly standard looped CGI aura.

The prior gif from the movie had much more flashy animation.


Again, what do you define as flashy???

Like, that Kong Gattling clip is mostly "normal fighting" as you put it. It just has some effects and impact frames. Its a technically more impressive scene than the King Kobra, but it is literally exactly the same sort of style.


Okay, what do you define as flashy animation? Because I see zero consistency between your definitions.


Having your eyes closed like that also indicates your unconscious. There is more than one single way to indicate unconsciousness.


Again, having your eyes closed like that is just of suggestive as unconsciousness as having them whited out.

You have provided no evidence to suggest the contrary.


Luffy couldn't fight seriously any further, but Luffy could still move, and when push came to shove, he was still capable of moving at soru like speeds to save himself from getting stabbed. Thats a significantly better position than Katakuri was in.

Yeah, Katakuri did sort of throw the fight by evening the odds(after he felt he'd been given an advantage he viewed as unfair), but I'd say that Luffy was still in better shape than Katakuri. Katakuri standing up and walking over to Luffy was all he could manage to do before his body gave out. Luffy was still able to move if and when he wanted to.

He was content with how the fight had turned out, but I think the difference is that Luffy still had more drive to keep going than Kata. Kata had reached his limit and was content. Luffy was at his limit but was still more than will to keep going because he still had things to do.

If Katakuri had a greater drive, he might of kept going. But he didn't. Those who don't have sufficient drive end up as the losers to those with greater drive.

It was a matter of willpower and drive, and Luffy was better than Katakuri at the end of the day because of those things.
I remember getting absolutely cooked in college by this guy on the colleges team after an hour and a half of a B-Ball game. Shit was brutal i made like 4 points, but at least i can cope that i carried the 2 v 2
endurance and willpower related lol
 
#58
Zoro vs King for me. The Luffy/Katakuri fight was good, but Luffy took way too much damage to come out the victor. I don't know why Oda draws Luffy that way all the time. It was the same with the Kaido fight. After almost getting killed he eats some meat and is ready to go again. I know this is how OP is, but for me it just cheapens the enemy's offense and credibility, and it just takes me out of the fight. At least Zoro vs King was a little more realistic within the confines of the OP world.
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
#59
Zoro vs King for me. The Luffy/Katakuri fight was good, but Luffy took way too much damage to come out the victor. I don't know why Oda draws Luffy that way all the time. It was the same with the Kaido fight. After almost getting killed he eats some meat and is ready to go again. I know this is how OP is, but for me it just cheapens the enemy's offense and credibility, and it just takes me out of the fight. At least Zoro vs King was a little more realistic within the confines of the OP world.
this isn’t anime it’s manga only.

& if that’s your reasoning Zoro was literally in deaths door following the fight….
 
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