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There is not prove hiyory lost her virgin. Just your assume. Stop this ridiculous. Kyoshiro protected hiyori as komurasaki, komurasaki just lie to people with lust and take their money until they are broke. Did you forget these scene? So she can not be said a prostitute woman yet. Did you ever think of this idea?
The fact is she is just a dancer.
Even orochi the Shogun when he got the chance to touch komurasaki in the end, she reject. This is the damn Shogun. So why you insist that hiyori is prostitute?
The fact is she is just a dancer.
Even orochi the Shogun when he got the chance to touch komurasaki in the end, she reject. This is the damn Shogun. So why you insist that hiyori is prostitute?
She confirms that she's prostitute when she tells Zoro that people would paid an arm and leg to spend a night with her. This implies that this is a thing that's expected of her, to dprnd the night with people for money
And so what if he raised her? Are you saying it would be fine for a man to raise a 13 year old girl to be a prostitute in real life? He'd tell everybody that he raised her so it's fine
And so what if he raised her? Are you saying it would be fine for a man to raise a 13 year old girl to be a prostitute in real life? He'd tell everybody that he raised her so it's fine
Hiyori tells Zoro that people would've paid a lot to sleep with her in the capital after the night they spent in that house.
Hiyori literally says it herself that people pay to sleep with her.
The amount of money is a lot but that doesn't mean shes not a prostitute just because it's a lot of money.
The people she was swindling were told that they would buy her freedom entirely and that's where she was lying. It doesn't mention buying her services for one night, which is possible for a lot of money WHICH SHE HERSELF SAID
Hiyori literally says it herself that people pay to sleep with her.
The amount of money is a lot but that doesn't mean shes not a prostitute just because it's a lot of money.
The people she was swindling were told that they would buy her freedom entirely and that's where she was lying. It doesn't mention buying her services for one night, which is possible for a lot of money WHICH SHE HERSELF SAID
Hahaha... You think people just pay top dollar to SLEEP and nothing else? Which universe is this? I mean it's a fact that inactual japan this never happened but you are saying Oda just changed the very big retail for the sake?
Then why make her an Oiran at all if you are going to change this very important detail about what an oirian actually is?
And yes, Kyoshiro protected her the same way PIMPS PROTECT THEIR PROSTITUTES
Then why make her an Oiran at all if you are going to change this very important detail about what an oirian actually is?
And yes, Kyoshiro protected her the same way PIMPS PROTECT THEIR PROSTITUTES
I don't care either way but wanting to pay or even paying top dollar doesn't mean they got what they wanted lol
Oda can just have some df at play that made those guys imagine they spent the best night of their lifes..or some other cop out solution
Not saying she didn't sleep just that it really isn't 100% confirmed
If Oda goes this way.. .props for him... adds to the seriousness and tone of Wano
Oda can just have some df at play that made those guys imagine they spent the best night of their lifes..or some other cop out solution
Not saying she didn't sleep just that it really isn't 100% confirmed
If Oda goes this way.. .props for him... adds to the seriousness and tone of Wano
She said people in the capital would have died to lay down with her and not that she slept with them.
Just that in the same chapter yasui is mistakenly captured as the witching hour boy and hiyori is suprised and worried for the witching hour boy.
Add to that that yasui lied in order for kinemon and co to remain undercover, that kyoshiro went well ahead in leading orochi to punish yasui, I bet kyoshiro (and hiyori) is the whb. That's why hiyori is also stealing thr money of the bad guys.
Oh and robin also went to the party, we have seen her become a dancer, an entertainer. I don't think that she also worked as a prostitute. So didn't hiyori.
Well either way I honestly don't care 🤷♂️
I mean an Oiran in real life was did alot of things INCLUDING SLEEPING WITH PEOPLE.... Like Why didn't Oda make her a geisha then if he didn't want to include the part that separates the two... Oiran sleep with clients on top of doing the things Geishas do....
She says people would've died to sleep with her because that's a things people in fact are expected to want... She's a prostitute so it's expected that people would want to sleep with her...
The point of all this is discussing whether Kyoshiro us a good guy and NOPE I haven't seen any signs of this.... his Yakuza men tried to extort Sanji and then Kyoshiro sent assassins after Sanji to kill him and then he stopped Zoro from killing Orochi and then this Hiyori business... Like none of this suggests he's a good guy... at best he's a self serviNG neutral party to this conflict but that doesn't make him a good guy
She says people would've died to sleep with her because that's a things people in fact are expected to want... She's a prostitute so it's expected that people would want to sleep with her...
The point of all this is discussing whether Kyoshiro us a good guy and NOPE I haven't seen any signs of this.... his Yakuza men tried to extort Sanji and then Kyoshiro sent assassins after Sanji to kill him and then he stopped Zoro from killing Orochi and then this Hiyori business... Like none of this suggests he's a good guy... at best he's a self serviNG neutral party to this conflict but that doesn't make him a good guy
Basically Kyoshiro's "goodness" (especially if he is Denjiro) is very much dependant on how he's treated Hiyori.
If he is indeed a "good" character, it's hard to reconcile that with the idea he is making her have sex with men for money. And if he's Denjiro, then that just becomes a whole new level of disgusting given he's been around her since she's a kid
On the other hand, if it's just a giant scam and Kyoshiro and Hiyori have been working together to con scum out of their money (which I think is by far the more likely solution) then there's more room to argue that Kyoshiro is a "good" character, one who has his own reasons for ostensibly working with Orochi. This makes the most sense to me, because
-Oda is not the type of writer to have us see a little girl's life story force her into prostitution
-Kyoshiro is clearly playing his own game, with Hiyori's survival, him slagging Orochi and the way he looked when he described himself as the Shogun's dog.
If he is indeed a "good" character, it's hard to reconcile that with the idea he is making her have sex with men for money. And if he's Denjiro, then that just becomes a whole new level of disgusting given he's been around her since she's a kid
On the other hand, if it's just a giant scam and Kyoshiro and Hiyori have been working together to con scum out of their money (which I think is by far the more likely solution) then there's more room to argue that Kyoshiro is a "good" character, one who has his own reasons for ostensibly working with Orochi. This makes the most sense to me, because
-Oda is not the type of writer to have us see a little girl's life story force her into prostitution
-Kyoshiro is clearly playing his own game, with Hiyori's survival, him slagging Orochi and the way he looked when he described himself as the Shogun's dog.
Yeah, for evidence, even the Shogun himself never touch Hiyori/Komurasaki, let alone common people (this is the logic here)
But why insist on the idea that Hiyori is forced into prostitution by kyoshiro? I believe Kyoshiro just protect Hiyori, from the start Seems to me they both just scam people over and over. This theme of sex scam is common story, not just in one piece, in other manga story or even J-drama I ever watched.
Maybe I'm wrong if Kyoshiro is villain but if he is indeed denjiro, then the possibility of the scam is big and he never Made Hiyori/komurasaki a slut. So Kyoshiro/denjiro's action is not wrong.
But why insist on the idea that Hiyori is forced into prostitution by kyoshiro? I believe Kyoshiro just protect Hiyori, from the start Seems to me they both just scam people over and over. This theme of sex scam is common story, not just in one piece, in other manga story or even J-drama I ever watched.
Maybe I'm wrong if Kyoshiro is villain but if he is indeed denjiro, then the possibility of the scam is big and he never Made Hiyori/komurasaki a slut. So Kyoshiro/denjiro's action is not wrong.
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