Powers & Abilities Is Law and the Ope Ope no Mi fair game in the WSS competition?

[Garp the Fist]

Brook isn’t a swordsman because there’s no reason that he shouldn’t be able to replicate all his abilities with a knife. Speed, not sword dependant. Ice, not sword dependant. Hypnosis, not sword dependant.

That’s basically the argument we’re getting here. The fact that Brook only ever does fight with a sword is apparently irrelevant.

 

[comrade]

There is absolutely no proof that Law can dissect people using a finger. Literally every time he’s done it it has been with a sword.

Just as Fujitora pulls out his sword literally every time he uses a DF ability. It's just his style. If you believe Law's spatial hax depends on his sword, you probably don't understand how his DF works.

Text box> fan art any day

Good point. If it's just fan art, it belongs in the trash for discussions anyways.

In the novel, marines debated about who is the strongest swordsman between Mihawk, Shanks, Zoro and Vista. Law kinda didn't catch their attention with his mountain busting, organ destroying abilities. Those marines took Zoro as an example based on his Dressrosa showings, and we know Law's role in Dressrosa was bigger than Zoro's due to him teaming up with Luffy. Yet the marines kinda didn't mention Law.

Brook isn’t a swordsman because there’s no reason that he shouldn’t be able to replicate all his abilities with a knife. Speed, not sword dependant. Ice, not sword dependant. Hypnosis, not sword dependant.

That’s basically the argument we’re getting here. The fact that Brook only ever does fight with a sword is apparently irrelevant.

Sorry, but it's bullshit. In Law's case it doesn't matter whether he uses sword, scalpel, scythe or his finger. His spatial hax does not depend on it. In any case, he will bust a mountain and destroy your organs. I don't get why I would have to explain such trivial things to you?

 

[Finalbeta]

Law being a swordman while trained in different martial arts and skills

Fanboys wishes

Oda has never stated Law was a swordman in the manga or databook yet

Anyway, being WSS is a joke

Law obviously trained his swordsmanship

Look at how often he uses his sword, why would he not to

That would have simply been detrimental to him don't you believe

 

[Zenos7]

Good point. If it's just fan art, it belongs in the trash for discussions anyways.

why would odas comment about the fan art in which he considers law a swordsman belong in the trash?

or wasnt that oda commenting on the fanart @Fenaker ? i thought it was

 

[Zowo]

why would odas comment about the fan art in which he considers law a swordsman belong in the trash?

or wasnt that oda commenting on the fanart @Fenaker ? i thought it was

oda commented

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

He was stalled by Doffy's clone outside of his room. While his DF allows him to bisect Vergo with his super strong Haki and bust a mountain in the process, rip Doffy's organs apart, remove peoples hearts and change their personalities. So what's your point?

are u sure about that headcanon ?

and this is an enraged doffy though yeah this is a low level swordmanship

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why would odas comment about the fan art in which he considers law a swordsman belong in the trash?

or wasnt that oda commenting on the fanart @Fenaker ? i thought it was

oda commented there though

 

[Garp the Fist]

Just as Fujitora pulls out his sword literally every time he uses a DF ability. It's just his style. If you believe Law's spatial hax depends on his sword, you probably don't understand how his DF works.

I’ve provided plenty of panels, I know how Law’s DF works.

You’re the one arguing with nothing but absolute headcanon. Every time Law dissects someone it is done with his sword and accompanied by the SFX “slice.” And yet this is apparently meaningless and he can do it with a finger with no proof whatsoever. Absolute crap argument

Good point. If it's just fan art, it belongs in the trash for discussions anyways.

Everything in the Usopp gallery is written by Oda.

Sorry, but it's bullshit.

No, it’s showing how shit your argument is.

In Law's case it doesn't matter whether he uses sword, scalpel, scythe or his finger.

Is Brook’s speed any different without his sword?
Is his ice?
Is his hypnotic abilities?

The answer to that is no, no and no, yet it’s clear that Brook is still a swordsman, just like Law, because if you look at the overall depiction of how they fight, it’s very clear that the sword is central to it

I don't get why I would have to explain such trivial things to you?

Bold of you to be so condescending, considering you’ve tried to argue that a scythe and a sword are basically same thing and yet Zoro would be heavily nerfed by a knife in the same post

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Law has never called himself a swordsman if I remember correctly
He's not stated as one in intro box or databook
He is trained in different martial arts

No real swordman is trained is lots of fighting styles except swordmanship

 

[comrade]

How much nerf would Zoro receive if he used metal sticks instead of swords? Probably by 95%.
How much nerf would Law receive if he used a metal stick instead of a sword? Probably 5%.

Get the difference. Law uses his sword mainly for stalling and parrying. Outside of his room, he was stalled by Doffy's clone. Doing a small cut on a no name gifter was in fact the only sword related attack he did so far. Against Smoker? Just stalling. Against Doffy's clone? Just stalling. Blocking overheat. All things he could've done with a metal stick, literally.

While, with that same metal stick, he would have the full range of offensive moves from his room. Cutting everything within his room, removing hearts, ripping organs apart.

When people get this difference, maybe we can continue.

are u sure about that headcanon ?

Uhm, yeah? He was stalling and being pushed back by Doffy. Until Trebol warned Doffy that he is within Law's room. And earlier, when DOffy was sitting on his throne, Law was stalled by a clone of Doffy.

You’re the one arguing with nothing but absolute headcanon. Every time Law dissects someone it is done with his sword and accompanied by the SFX “slice.” And yet this is apparently meaningless and he can do it with a finger with no proof whatsoever. Absolute crap argument

Doesn't change the fact that it's his DF that does the job. SFX slice, what is this supposed to mean? Yeah, he slices his opponents, but it's done with his Ope fruit, not through his sword.

Is Brook’s speed any different without his sword?
Is his ice?
Is his hypnotic abilities?

Brooks sword(smanship) is still his main combat power. His DF is supplementary. It's different with Law. As for Law, his swordsmanship is supplementary, while his DF is his main and by far strongest asset.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

@Zenos7 Greg who is near Oda's editors

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1267189135657168896

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How much nerf would Zoro receive if he used metal sticks instead of swords? Probably by 95%.
How much nerf would Law receive if he used a metal stick instead of a sword? Probably 5%.

Get the difference. Law uses his sword mainly for stalling and parrying. Outside of his room, he was stalled by Doffy's clone. Doing a small cut on a no name gifter was in fact the only sword related attack he did so far. Against Smoker? Just stalling. Against Doffy's clone? Just stalling. Blocking overheat. All things he could've done with a metal stick, literally.

While, with that same metal stick, he would have the full range of offensive moves from his room. Cutting everything within his room, removing hearts, ripping organs apart.

When people get this difference, maybe we can continue.


Uhm, yeah? He was stalling and being pushed back by Doffy. Until Trebol warned Doffy that he is within Law's room. And earlier, when DOffy was sitting on his throne, Law was stalled by a clone of Doffy.


Doesn't change the fact that it's his DF that does the job. SFX slice, what is this supposed to mean? Yeah, he slices his opponents, but it's done with his Ope fruit, not through his sword.

Brooks sword(smanship) is still his main combat power. His DF is supplementary. It's different with Law. As for Law, his swordsmanship is supplementary, while his DF is his main and by far strongest asset.

did doffy injure him law is blocking there with your so called low level swordmanship so bring someone like tashigi and say to here to block doffy in CQC with her swordmanship

 

[сука]

Can EoS Zoro be weaker than someone with an overpowered df? Yes

Can EoS Zoro be weaker than a sword user with an overpowered df? No

 

[Ballel]

As far as I know, Law doesn't care about this title tho. Or did I overlook something?
But yes, technically he is a swordsman.

 

[Akuma_Law]

Whaaaat????:zorothink: Is this something new?! How is this an issue now?
Law is a swordsman utilizing his df with his sword skill and there is nothing unfair in that, regardless of what his df power is

Also I think this df cannot be utilized unless the one having it a swordsman, it's mostly cutting techniques done by a sword

So a swordsman either way

 

[Zowo]

How much nerf would Law receive if he used a metal stick instead of a sword? Probably 5%.

he will lose all his slicing abilities lmao and be useless
zoro using metal sticks would still be powerfull since his strenght is insane getting hit by a ryou enchanted stick ain t no joke :cheers:

 

[comrade]

@Zenos7 Greg who is near Oda's editors

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1267189135657168896

The fan art depicted Law, Zoro and Kinemon in the theme of Samurai. This is what Greg commented on. Within the context of the story told by the fan art, Law was a swordsman. Plus it's not Oda. It's similar to Oda's color spreads where Luffy is seen with swords, or Zoro is seen with Machine Guns. Or Sanji is seen with swords. Let's stay by the manga and not fan art.

he will lose all his slicing abilities lmao and be useless

No he won't. Because his DF is not dependent on a sword. Next time you tell me Fujitora needs his sword to pull down meteors, because he pulled out his sword each time he pulled down a meteor. Or pulled out his sword each time he ripped holes into the ground with gravity.

 

[Akuma_Law]

Not all swordsmen in one piece really care about of being categorized as the strongest or the best, in fact most of them like that
Targeting that title of WSS is something unique and special to Zoro

 

[Zenos7]

Law has never called himself a swordsman if I remember correctly
He's not stated as one in intro box or databook
He is trained in different martial arts

No real swordman is trained is lots of fighting styles except swordmanship

refer to the posts here where oda considered/called law a swordsman in usopp gallery.

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The fan art depicted Law, Zoro and Kinemon in the theme of Samurai. This is what Greg commented on. Within the context of the story told by the fan art, Law was a swordsman

but samurai=/= swordsman in the world of one piece, so this falls flat

 

[comrade]

Fujitora's DF must be pretty useless without a sword. He pulls out his sword any time he uses gravity. Pulled it out every time he pulled down a meteor, ripped holes into the ground, made things float up or used blasts of gravity. So if Fujitora loses his sword, he basically won't be able to use his DF anymore. It's logical. He used his sword every time when using his DF, so it means those abilities can only be used with the sword.

:yasu:

What a low IQ argument. Law is not dependent on his sword. His DF makes the cutting.

 

[сука]

The only definition of a swordsman we've ever gotten was 'someone who uses a sword' yet somehow the op community managed to turn the "who is a swordsman" debate into one of the most complicated and controversial topics

 

[Zenos7]

Fujitora's DF must be pretty useless without a sword. He pulls out his sword any time he uses gravity. Pulled it out every time he pulled down a meteor, ripped holes into the ground, made things float up or used blasts of gravity. So if Fujitora loses his sword, he basically won't be able to use his DF anymore. It's logical. He used his sword every time when using his DF, so it means those abilities can only be used with the sword.

:yasu:

What a low IQ argument. Law is not dependent on his sword. His DF makes the cutting.

and still oda considers both to be swordsmen.