Powers & Abilities Is Law and the Ope Ope no Mi fair game in the WSS competition?

i really want to know your definition about swordsman @rerere
I'll give it to you when you answer this
Kizaru wasn't trying and still took down 4 SN, 5 if you count Zoro
Mihawk was trying (his own words) and didn't manage to put Luffy down

Accept it, Mihawk is Admiral level at best. If he was Yonko level why didn't he take on WB in Marineford?
 
What's stopping him from shambling Mihawk's Yoru away and just low diffing him?
Nothing, aside of PIS. Because we know Law can do crazy stuff Oda wouldn't make him use in the story. Like we know Wano Arc would've ended in 923 if Law switched places with Luffy to cut off drunken Dragon Kaido's head.

There is nothing stopping Law from doing it. Kaido is just very durable, but Law's ability ignores durability.
 
Nothing, aside of PIS. Because we know Law can do crazy stuff Oda wouldn't make him use in the story. Like we know Wano Arc would've ended in 923 if Law switched places with Luffy to cut off drunken Dragon Kaido's head.

There is nothing stopping Law from doing it. Kaido is just very durable, but Law's ability ignores durability.
i refuted you and left you some question and you havent answered it yet
 
You're implying that only those who cares about the title deserves the title, so i responded and ask you does Mihawk is the only zoro's rival?
Not nesscarily deserves the title, I'm highlighting that mostly characters that stricly uses the sword as their main weapon focuses on the title (Zoro, Mihawk are prime examples) .

Also, you're wrong abiut your second point, Kaku is a swordsman and he bragged about how good he was a swordsman in Enies lobby, meaning he'd shown interest in becoming the best swordsman albeit he's a df user
Then I need to reread enies to see the specfics of the conversations. At the end of the day he can brag about his sword skills but still doesn't mean he wanted to become the WSS and not to mention he recently got his devil fruit.

Again, WB never wanted to become a WSM yet he became one
Unlikely the samething applies to WSS, Mihawk mostly likely got his title by defeating the previous WSS similarly to how Zoro will defeat him and gain the title. Its only natural Whitebard got the title of the WSM after Roger died.

and no, im not angry, i was just trying to emphasize my argument so you could understand
I mean if you say so.
 
Kizaru wasn't trying? He had asked Sengoku permission to execute Luffy and his kick still failed to kill him off.
Rayleigh had to step in otherwise the whole crew would be dead
Vista had to step in otherwise Luffy alone would be dead

Are these the same scenarios to you?

it has nothing to do with me, or you cant answer that lol?
You're asking something to me and I am asking something to you, why should I answer you if you don't answer me?
 
You refuted nothing, you just set some arbitrary limits to the Ope Ope no Mi and said Law cannot cut Kaido. Why exactly? When the Ope Ope no Mi ignores durability?
refuted nothing? are you sure? you yourself couldnt even backup your claim

you're the one who made the thread and you're the one who said it first, the burden of proof is on you, tf you talking about lol

"You obviously don't know how Law's ability operates. Law can cut everything within his room without exception"

Tell me when did Oda say such statement? you can use SBS, manga, or databook to prove it, dont ever bring again your headcanons

"He even cuts seastone effortlessly."

show me the scan.

and tell my why wouldnt Law able to cut off Doffy?
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
Rayleigh had to step in otherwise the whole crew would be dead
Vista had to step in otherwise Luffy alone would be dead

Are these the same scenarios to you?
No because it's not even a competition, it shows what PIS is. What kind of competition is a fodder measuring contest.

A top tier should have managed to kill the whole crew long before Rayleigh would even jump in to begin with, but Oda sensei patronized the SHs.
 
- Kizaru failed to kill several supernovae, Luffy included and that was patently portrayed, specially the last.
But he still defeated them and the reason luffy wasn't also defeated is because of Rayleigh.
- Crocodile stalled Doflamingo.
Yes and he also bruised doflamingo's face from what it seem like after the clash.
- Mihawk one shot Jinbe the very moment PIS had gotten a bit lessened by Oda.
Not saying couldn't Mihawk couldn't beat jinbe but where was that shown in the manga?
 
We've been debating about swordsman, is it strang if i ask something related? Kizaru, SN, or whatever it is has nothing to do with me
It is pertinent, the thread escalated in Mihawk>Shanks so I'm legitimaly asking the reason for it when the manga proved something else

No because it's not even a competition, it shows what PIS is. What kind of competition is a fodder measuring contest.

A top tier should have managed to kill the whole crew long before Rayleigh would even jump in to begin with, but Oda sensei patronized the SHs.
These kind of arguments are only accepted when Mihawk and Zoro status are questioned, I'm guessing why :quest:
And btw Oda had to 'patronize the SH' much more against Kizaru (using Rayleigh) than against Mihawk (using Vista)
Manga speaks, it's time you accept it
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
But he still defeated them and the reason luffy wasn't also defeated is because of Rayleigh.

Yes and he also bruised doflamingo's face from what it seem like after the clash.
Kizaru defeating someone on CP9 level is not good enough when the intent was to kill, expecially kill Luffy on MF.

And since you agree with point 2 you should grasp my message: PIS is a thing. Mihawk isn't immune to it at all.
 
We can just think of it like this, just consider those who use sword and swordsmanship as their main weapon as swordsmans who are eligible for WSS. I mean only pure swordsman are the ones who actually showed incredible feats concerning with sword. Take law/fujitora, though they are considered swordsman, they are not seent he same way as Kinemon. Who even though has DF has nothing to do with his swordsmanship(he is not a good example). Yeah, Mr1 is a great example, he uses his DF, but he can be considered one, since he is essentially using swordsmanship f his own kind and his DF is his weapon(I think he is considered Swordsman since Mihawk talked about Daz).
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
Oda had to 'patronize the SH' much more against Kizaru (using Rayleigh) than against Mihawk (using Vista)
Manga speaks, it's time you accept it
As I said I didn't even take it into account because my point is to allow people to comprehend what PIS is and its relevance in the series, not to introduce a fodder measuring contest.

And even then Kizaru also attempted to kill *just Luffy* on MF at one point, just like Mihawk also did and failed.
 
Not nesscarily deserves the title, I'm highlighting that mostly characters that stricly uses the sword as their main weapon focuses on the title (Zoro, Mihawk are prime examples) .
yes so Mihawk is the only rival zoro has? you argue so, so your argument should be consistent

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Then I need to reread enies to see the specfics of the conversations. At the end of the day he can brag about his sword skills but still doesn't mean he wanted to become the WSS and not to mention he recently got his devil fruit.
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so you're now shifting your argument?

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Unlikely the samething applies to WSS, Mihawk mostly likely got his title by defeating the previous WSS similarly to how Zoro will defeat him and gain the title. Its only natural Whitebard got the title of the WSM after Roger died.
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According to WB databook, it suggests that WB got his title because of his devil fruit, so by default devil fruit or whatever it is does still matter with the title

Tell me about your definition of swordsman
 
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