Powers & Abilities Is Law and the Ope Ope no Mi fair game in the WSS competition?

Bil02

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ShinmenTakezo said:
There were cases in which questions were sent, but i think you still need to translate it.
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This train of thought is the reason behind this threat. Plus there is Gamma Knife.

I also have Zoro as stronger btw, both in levels and also direct match-up.
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I think the problem behind these titles is they attribute Auto wins to all those who fall under them even when feats/portrayal say otherwise.
Oda's writing is usually not that straight forward but hey I guess we'll never have the end of it and threads like this will be there indefinitely.
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Oda needs to address this when the manga ends to stop the doubt and these kind threads.
 
Rackham

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imacub said:
@rerere

"A swordsman is someone who's combat style revolves around the use of a sword or multiple swords. To be defined a swordsman the sword has to be your focal point when in action, having a DF doesn't kick you out from the swordsman title as long as your DF has a secondary function (like Shiryu for example), this is not Law's case tho cause his primary power comes from the use of his DF and the sword is only a tool to expand the DF usage and for defence in CQC (since Law lacks physical combat skills)"

1. So you think Law could still perform without his df?
2. and what on hell has his sword to do in expanding his df usage? with his bare hand he could perform way easier because he wouldnt need to hold a 5 kg sword
3. If sword is for defence in CQC, a shield fits more so Law should get a shield instead
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1. Law couldn't perform like this without his devil fruit, exactly cause his DF is his main source of power
2. The sword makes him able to perform cutting attacks inside his room (amputation), this his one of his possible offensives: Tact, Shambles, Gamma Knife, Counter Shock, Mes don't require the use of a sword.
3. This is a possibility but following this line of reasoning most of the characters who don't have exceptional resistence (even if Law showed to have it) should hang around with a shield
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Rekien said:
Theres no deal about it lol, he just is and you are arguing that he is not for some reason.
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He just never had the characterization of Zoro, Vista, Mihawk and so on
His primary source of power is his DF and is very skillful with it while swordsmanship consists in a 20% more or less of his power
I personally don't find the title of swordsman fitting to him, especially after 350 passed with him on panel (WCI excluded)
 
Erkan12

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Do people forget what Daz Bones said?

Daz: ''By the way, you shouldn't mistakenly think me as a swordsman. I've got plenty of other weapons to cut your body to shreds''
- Chapter 195

Law not only trained by Diamante, he also trained with Lao G, Gladius etc.

Daz Bones's statement definitely applies to Law.

It applies to Pica as well, who used sword but then he dropped his sword and fought unarmed against Zoro in the end.
 
imacub

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rerere said:
1. Law couldn't perform like this without his devil fruit, exactly cause his DF is his main source of power
2. The sword makes him able to perform cutting attacks inside his room (amputation), this his one of his possible offensives: Tact, Shambles, Gamma Knife, Counter Shock, Mes don't require the use of a sword.
3. This is a possibility but following this line of reasoning most of the characters who don't have exceptional resistence (even if Law showed to have it) should hang around with a shield
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He just never had the characterization of Zoro, Vista, Mihawk and so on
His primary source of power is his DF and is very skillful with it while swordsmanship consists in a 20% more or less of his power
I personally don't find the title of swordsman fitting to him, especially after 350 passed with him on panel (WCI excluded)
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1. I meant could Law perform his ability without a sword?
2. so without a sword Law couldnt perform those abilities? and what sword got to do with those abilities? i've never seen a tool could enhance someone's df usage
3. Not "this is a possibility", that's not a definite answer, Shield is a simple tool no way Oda doesnt know that, the fact that Oda made Law wields a sword proves Swordsmanship is still law's primary skill
 
comrade

comrade

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zenox said:
now did ur views change
@comrade ?
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Not sure what my view was, lol. I think the Ope Ope no Mi has little to do with swordsmanship. But I also think that doesn't give Law an advantage, since a peak swordsman has peak Hakis, that will overpower that hax. Earlier I thought Law could just shamble away a swordsman's swords, but we have learned that strong Haki just shuts that ability down.

Apex Swordsmanship > Awakened Ope Ope no Mi.
 
zenox

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comrade said:
Not sure what my view was, lol. I think the Ope Ope no Mi has little to do with swordsmanship. But I also think that doesn't give Law an advantage, since a peak swordsman has peak Hakis, that will overpower that hax. Earlier I thought Law could just shamble away a swordsman's swords, but we have learned that strong Haki just shuts that ability down.

Apex Swordsmanship > Awakened Ope Ope no Mi.
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Yup and that we know law’s awakening ( KROOM ) , is basically him enhancing his swordsmanship

Law actually enhances his swordsmanship with his df and he is also stated to be a swordsman by oda
 
uyuu

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comrade said:
Had this argument on another thread and thought it would be interesting to debate it.

There are 3 prominent opinions on who falls under the WSS competition.
  1. Each and every swordsman/sword user falls under the WSS competition
  2. Only those fall under the WSS title, whose main/strongest asset is swordsmanship
  3. Only "pure" swordsmen fall under it
In my opinion it is 2. Why? Because of, for example, Law. King falls under the WSS title despite of his versatility, since his strongest and main asset is swordsmanship, which is boosted by his zoan, that boosts his physicals. His fire (given his epithet) is just a part of his versatility, so it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme.

As for Law however, I see it differently. Law is a swordsman, yes, but as a swordsman, he sucks. Without his fruit, he struggles stalling one of Doffy's clones. His main power comes from his DF and that DF is vastly superior to his swordsmanship. His DF also has nothing to do with swordsmanship and is separated. Gamma Knife, heart removal, shambles, his most frequently used and most devastating abilities are not related to swordsmanship. Not even his cutting is. His cutting is spatial hax and can be performed with basically any tool. That's why Law uses a plain, low quality no name sword. Because it doesn't matter for his ability.

Would Law becoming the WSS through the sheer power of his DF be a fair game? Would it count? Because, plot aside, Law could basically steal any swordsman's sword with shambles (like he has stolen the Den Den Mushi out of the Marines pockets) and then destroy him with his devil fruit.

It's imo a difference, whether a DF just adds to the versatility of a swordsman, or if said DF or ability makes up the vast majority of his power, while his swordsmanship in itself is just a weak side power. Thus, Shanks and Oden definitely fall under the WSS domain, but guys like Law, imo, not.

Take the following analogy: 2 boxers meet in battle to decide who is the strongest boxer in the world. Only difference, one boxer is fully armored, with blades and a machine gun, while the other one goes naked and with bare fists.

Your thoughts? The Ope Ope no Mi is, of course, only one example, but the most prominent one in this case.

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I think Law and Ope2, Fujitora and Zushi2, are not fair players in WSS competition, mainly due to their Devil Fruits which is more dominant in seizing victory compared to their swordsmanship.

...as for which number, i tend to think number 2. But maybe i'll give some addition as well, that a stronger swordman is not always the same as a stronger fighter overall.
 
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