Character Discussion Is Luffy a Fraud?

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IsaziSempi

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#21
Luffy was great up until he met with coby in water 7 been kinda ass since. That's also when his appearance changed. Anime in general was changing and becoming less masculine. That's when the One Piece manga fell of and toei was doing those stupid bishounen scenes with Luffy and Hancock.
 
Gaimon The Pirate

Gaimon The Pirate

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#22
#22
Hades said:
Deifnitely not a retcon because we saw Luffy saying this with Ace and Sabo, the same thing Roger said....And Roger was not even pirate king when he said that....
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Retcon is a strong word, but after hundreds chapters of I WANNA BE THE PIRATE KING, having a line dropped during Wano (if I remember where that exchange happened) is a retcon.
Could have been the plan all along? Of course, but so far, we had no idea.
 
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Herrera95

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Gaimon The Pirate said:
In volume 1, we can see that Luffy still wanted to be a pirate BEFORE eating the Gum Gum. That's where he got the scar.
We could even take into account non canon stuff like romance dawn but I don't think it's pertinent.
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Being a pirate. Not Pirate King.

Gaimon The Pirate said:
I won't spoil here, I shouldn't have brought it up in the first place.
Yeah but I believe that Luffy sees the pirate king as a means to his real dream, which is a retcon of course.
Or something that could have made clearer, I guess we'll see when we get there.
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Thing is being free wasn't the reason why Luffy initially wanted to become Pirate King. It was always a kid's reaction because Shanks didn't accepted him into his crew.

But he became a slave of this anyway.
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IsaziSempi said:
Luffy was great up until he met with coby in water 7 been kinda ass since. That's also when his appearance changed. Anime in general was changing and becoming less masculine. That's when the One Piece manga fell of and toei was doing those stupid bishounen scenes with Luffy and Hancock.
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Sorry?

You are implying that Coby and Helmeppo glow up made them less masculines?

I mean maybe it is Helmeppo's case but definitely not Coby. I really don't see One Piece anime becoming less masculine.
 
Artem

Artem

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#30
Yes. Luffy died as a character with the birth of Niki. Literally no one without fruit. 90% of the power is fruit. 90% of the character lives inside joy Boy.
 
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