Questions & Mysteries Is Oda doing King the background justice?

[Sadistic Senpai]

- He has potential for better background considering Big Mom mentioned he is one from 3 extinct races...

Though I agree that he's been left in the dark for longer than needed.... I feel that if your boss "Kaido" is actually becoming more on screen, you should have ALREADY been fleshed out...

Meaning, it's usually going from underlings to the commanders to the boss... You highlight the smaller fry first, then superiors, then the above and so on...

This is exactly how I feel about the bounties of Shichibukai.... who actually CARES enough to know about their NEW bounty when a Yonko bounty was revealed.... like excluding Mihawk alone cause fans just want a close bounty for him to Yonko to prove his level of strength considering he's solo (No crew or territories), no one would probably care about the bounty of the rest

I feel Oda should have revealed King bounty + Marco bounty BEFORE Yonko captains + WB and Roger...

Anyway, point is... King has still some room to be expanded upon in terms of "his race + bounty + backstory"... but it just feels less impactful WHEN it is highlighted AFTER the captain...

OR, Oda might do him dirty and just make him another Daz Bones (Mr.1) where his whole purpose is just to be there, strong and be defeated with no highlights about his character/background

 

[Rivaille]

Insecure of PL is nonsense

We know King would never top Katakuri spotlight, importance, PL, skills, haki stays etc...
Same way Marco also can't... Oda made Marco another background character, a support piece for Luffy not one of the main leader/face of Alliance.

It's about King being at least interesting and having a plot, having more focus than flyers at least.

80 chapters of Wano, 60 chapters since his debut , none much... Sorry
If he was introduced later as Yamato was, I'll understand but you seriously won't tell me King is an important figure in Wano arc as Jack, Yamato and Kaido
Hell Queen is more than him now.

If you were not insecure you would not have the need to used name like « the background » to try to downplay the character.

Furthermore, King does not have the spotlight on him yet but the little we have say plenty.

Personality:

-Love torturing
-Stoic type
-Act rather than talk
-Do not tolerate disrespect
-Loyal
-Does not shy from challenge
-Bully type
-Will attack you from behind if he can. Therefore does seem to think that the means justify the end.

Portrayal :

-Was well known by Big Mom and the BMP
-Big Mom tried to recruit him
-Is able to used Kaido name to summon people without enraged the latter
-Is Kaido’s second strongest
-Hold the « King » named for decades in a crew where people are contantly challenged for their position

Feat:

-Push back Big Mom and his crew with a no named Kick while someone like Marco needed a named attack to do the same thing

Plot impact:

-Made Big Mom lose a memory
-Is mere presence stopped the BMP to enter in Wano
-Is the one who summon the Tobbi roppo to search Yamato

Mysteries around him:

-He is from an ancient race
-Are the wings and the fire linked to his race?
-Seems fo be one of the core members of the crew, so was he recruited first by Kaido
-What is his bounty?
-Why is he call the wildfire?

Oda’s développement of King have nothing to do with a background character.

 

[Constantine]

This is what I wonder, how would Oda expand King's race and give him enough focus that surpass Queen/jack's during

If King fights Zoro as many are expecting, Oda could give him relevance by tying King to Zoros flashback. This could give an emotional push for Zoro to kill him too.
Or
This is my theory
Oda could give King's race some unique power or characteristic which makes him very important as the last survivor of his species (like Puddings ability to read the poneglyphs coz she was from the 3rd eye tribe)
Maybe he and Hitetsu are from the same race. The race that forged the swords lol

 

[Jo_Ndule]

If you were not insecure you would not have the need to used name like « the background » to try to downplay the character.

Furthermore, King does not have the spotlight on him yet but the little we have say plenty.

Personality:

-Love torturing
-Stoic type
-Act rather than talk
-Do not tolerate disrespect
-Loyal
-Does not shy from challenge
-Bully type
-Will attack you from behind if he can. Therefore does seem to think that the means justify the end.

Portrayal :

-Was well known by Big Mom and the BMP
-Big Mom tried to recruit him
-Is able to used Kaido name to summon people without enraged the latter
-Is Kaido’s second strongest
-Hold the « King » named for decades in a crew where people are contantly challenged for their position

Feat:

-Push back Big Mom and his crew with a no named Kick while someone like Marco needed a named attack to do the same thing

Mystery/Plot around him:

-He is from an ancient race
-Are the wings and the fire linked to his race?
-Seems fo be one of the core members of the crew, so was he recruited first by Kaido
-What is his bounty?
-Why is he call the wildfire?

Oda’s développement of King have nothing to do with a background character.

All of that are nothing

All of that, what is his importance? What plto does he have?
What act or where was King the main focus?

BM also knows Queen, she knows everybody
BM recruiting King for race collection reasons isn't much hype when we know she seeks rare creatures

We are talking about what King has been doing he has been a background dude, Queen and Co running the arc and doing the most while he acts silently and not even running the arc.

Queen also held his position for decades,
Using Kaido's name even makes it pathetic consideieng he should be able to lead the others by his own name and authority but hell

Oda didn't write King as someone more important than Queen and Jack whether authority, power, skills, character, plot,

King feels like he's the brain but the least important of calamities currently

- He has potential for better background considering Big Mom mentioned he is one from 3 extinct races...

Though I agree that he's been left in the dark for longer than needed.... I feel that if your boss "Kaido" is actually becoming more on screen, you should have ALREADY been fleshed out...

Meaning, it's usually going from underlings to the commanders to the boss... You highlight the smaller fry first, then superiors, then the above and so on...

This is exactly how I feel about the bounties of Shichibukai.... who actually CARES enough to know about their NEW bounty when a Yonko bounty was revealed.... like excluding Mihawk alone cause fans just want a close bounty for him to Yonko to prove his level of strength considering he's solo (No crew or territories), no one would probably care about the bounty of the rest

I feel Oda should have revealed King bounty + Marco bounty BEFORE Yonko captains + WB and Roger...

Anyway, point is... King has still some room to be expanded upon in terms of "his race + bounty + backstory"... but it just feels less impactful WHEN it is highlighted AFTER the captain...

OR, Oda might do him dirty and just make him another Daz Bones (Mr.1) where his whole purpose is just to be there, strong and be defeated with no highlights about his character/background

That's the problem,
Even if King somehow gets a flashback and highlights, it won't outshine even what Oda has in store for Jack or queen especially when Kaido and Yamato will also be in the picture.

But I get Oda tho,
He wanted to parallel WCI and Wano :

King wasn't even given the most important tasks :
Getting Raizo : Jack
Rescuing Doffy : Jack
Recruiting Shuten : Jack
Udon and breaking Hyo, luffy and Kidd spirits : Queen
Fire festival : Queen as MC and calling the shots
Sending Flyers for Sanji : Queen
Capturing Yamato : Flyers... ( It is Kaido who sent them, King only used Kaido's name to call them to meet Kaido.)

Sure King acts alone, but it is tiring when You aren't in charge of any important task or plots.

 

[Tobra]

he flipped bigmoms crew that’s more than what bigmoms crew ever did in wci what do want more than that?

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

All of that are nothing

All of that, what is his importance? What plto does he have?
What act or where was King the main focus?

BM also knows Queen, she knows everybody
BM recruiting King for race collection reasons isn't much hype when we know she seeks rare creatures

We are talking about what King has been doing he has been a background dude, Queen and Co running the arc and doing the most while he acts silently and not even running the arc.

Queen also held his position for decades,
Using Kaido's name even makes it pathetic consideieng he should be able to lead the others by his own name and authority but hell

Oda didn't write King as someone more important than Queen and Jack whether authority, power, skills, character, plot,

King feels like he's the brain but the least important of calamities currently


That's the problem,
Even if King somehow gets a flashback and highlights, it won't outshine even what Oda has in store for Jack or queen especially when Kaido and Yamato will also be in the picture.

But I get Oda tho,
He wanted to parallel WCI and Wano :

King wasn't even given the most important tasks :
Getting Raizo : Jack
Rescuing Doffy : Jack
Recruiting Shuten : Jack
Udon and breaking Hyo, luffy and Kidd spirits : Queen
Fire festival : Queen as MC and calling the shots
Sending Flyers for Sanji : Queen
Capturing Yamato : Flyers... ( It is Kaido who sent them, King only used Kaido's name to call them to meet Kaido.)

Sure King acts alone, but it is tiring when You aren't in charge of any important task or plots.

Yeah, let's hope Oda does him justice though... although I'm not a fan of King, but if Oda expanded upon is character and made him special, I may like him more

 

[Rivaille]

All of that are nothing

All of that, what is his importance? What plto does he have?
What act or where was King the main focus?

BM also knows Queen, she knows everybody
BM recruiting King for race collection reasons isn't much hype when we know she seeks rare creatures

We are talking about what King has been doing he has been a background dude, Queen and Co running the arc and doing the most while he acts silently and not even running the arc.

Queen also held his position for decades,
Using Kaido's name even makes it pathetic consideieng he should be able to lead the others by his own name and authority but hell

Oda didn't write King as someone more important than Queen and Jack whether authority, power, skills, character, plot,

King feels like he's the brain but the least important of calamities currently

How making Big Mom lose a memory nothing? How this did not have any plot importance?

That the thing, he is not the focus yet but he already have all that under his belt.

Yeah she knows Queen like she knows King which means that like Queen, King is not a background character.
She still wanted to recruit him. She did not try to capture him, she wanted to recruit him. The difference is clear.

Never said that Oda write King as more important than Jack and Queen. I said that he did not write him as a background character.

Now if you refuse to acknowledge what Oda has done to showcase King even tho he has no focus on him yet. That’s on you not on the character.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

How making Big Mom lose a memory nothing? How this did not have any plot importance?

That the thing, he is not the focus yet but he already have all that under his belt.

Yeah she knows Queen like she knows King which means that like Queen, King is not a background character.
She still wanted to recruit him. She did not try to capture him, she wanted to recruit him. The difference is clear.

Never said that Oda write King as more important than Jack and Queen. I said that he did not write him as a background character.

Now if you refuse to acknowledge what Oda has done to showcase King even tho he has no focus on him yet. That’s on you not on the character.

Regarding Big Mom, I feel Oda had previous plans regarding her memory loss + Zeus with Nami... but I feel that he received rejection from most fans about that route, so I feel he retracted on those ideas, and he is going a different route... which is why the memory loss resulted in NOTHING MAJOR, and Big Mom got Zeus back without Nami making anything MAJOR with him...

It just feels like, Oda saw the fans didn't like that, and he saw that the end route for it will receive MORE HATE... so he got rid of the idea...

 

[nik87]

Regarding Big Mom, I feel Oda had previous plans regarding her memory loss + Zeus with Nami... but I feel that he received rejection from most fans about that route, so I feel he retracted on those ideas, and he is going a different route... which is why the memory loss resulted in NOTHING MAJOR, and Big Mom got Zeus back without Nami making anything MAJOR with him...

It just feels like, Oda saw the fans didn't like that, and he saw that the end route for it will receive MORE HATE... so he got rid of the idea...

It resulted in a lot of things but you are just not seeing it.
It resulted in an Emperor not being an obstacle for Strawhats for many chapters.
It resulted in leaving Udon up for grabbing since it caused Queen to disappear as well.
The moment her memories got back, the plot teleported her to Onigashima where she cannot be an obstacle for Strawhats.

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

Katakuri fought Luffy the next PK, so hes stronger than King

Wapol and Mr. 3 fought Luffy the next PK, so they’re stronger than Mr. 1

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

It resulted in a lot of things but you are just not seeing it.
It resulted in an Emperor not being an obstacle for Strawhats for many chapters.
It resulted in leaving Udon up for grabbing since it caused Queen to disappear as well.
The moment her memories got back, the plot teleported her to Onigashima where she cannot be an obstacle for Strawhats.

EXCEPT few things:
- Oda could have just made Queen stay in Onigashima and not come to Udon ANYWAY...

- Oda could have made Big Mom reach kaido WITHOUT meeting Chopper or Strawhats...

So, there literally is TONS OF WAYS to do that without the "losing memory", I'm not even a writer LOL

 

[Jo_Ndule]

If King fights Zoro as many are expecting, Oda could give him relevance by tying King to Zoros flashback. This could give an emotional push for Zoro to kill him too.
Or
This is my theory
Oda could give King's race some unique power or characteristic which makes him very important as the last survivor of his species (like Puddings ability to read the poneglyphs coz she was from the 3rd eye tribe)
Maybe he and Hitetsu are from the same race. The race that forged the swords lol

I wist he and hitetsu are linked and they forge weapons.
But then Zoro's opponents don't get such cool plots and backstory during the battle

Daz, Kaku, Pica...

he flipped bigmoms crew that’s more than what bigmoms crew ever did in wci what do want more than that?

Yeah sure

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Wapol and Mr. 3 fought Luffy the next PK, so they’re stronger than Mr. 1

C'mon man... there is a factor you are ignoring called "timeline"... by the time Mr.1 was fighting Zoro, Luffy's opponents were WAAAY PASSED the likes of Wapol and Mr.3 LOL
He was already having his rounds with Croco-Cigar-boy

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

C'mon man... there is a factor you are ignoring called "timeline"... by the time Mr.1 was fighting Zoro, Luffy's opponents were WAAAY PASSED the likes of Wapol and Mr.3 LOL
He was already having his rounds with Croco-Cigar-boy

Is Kaido not far beyond Katakuri? Also Wapol was right before Alabasta.

 

[nik87]

Wapol and Mr. 3 fought Luffy the next PK, so they’re stronger than Mr. 1

I think you hit the bullseye here.
Katakuri is exactly like Mr3.
Had an arc for himself even tho he is the weakest just like Mr3 who was weaker than mr1, mr2, mr4 and still had his own arc which others didnt.

EXCEPT few things:
- Oda could have just made Queen stay in Onigashima and not come to Udon ANYWAY...
- Oda could have made Big Mom reach kaido WITHOUT meeting Chopper or Strawhats...
So, there literally is TONS OF WAYS to do that without the "losing memory", I'm not even a writer LOL

Except, He didnt make Queen stay in Onigashima and he didnt make BM reach Kaido without Strawhats.
Forget the IF scenarios, Oda is the one who is writing the story.
Memory loss was a major plot point during Udon.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

I think you hit the bullseye here.
Katakuri is exactly like Mr3.
Had an arc for himself even tho he is the weakest just like Mr3 who was weaker than mr1, mr2, mr4 and still had his own arc which others didnt.

Except, He didnt make Queen stay in Onigashima and he didnt make BM reach Kaido without Strawhats.
Forget the IF scenarios, Oda is the one who is writing the story.
Memory loss was a major plot point during Udon.

Which is why I said "I have a feeling he had previous plans, and he CANCELLED THEM" my statements are clear... He had plans for making Big Mom an ally this arc, received a bashing from many fans... and he might have planned that Nami will maintain Zeus because when Big Mom regains her memories, she will realize that SH stood by her on many times, thus she will keep Zeus with Nami as a way to maintain a connection between them (same way as Lola and Vivre card)...etc..

I feel that was the ORIGINAL ROUTE Oda was going for, and fans SNAPPED at that idea... so, I just feel, he created a scenario to get back everything as it WAS BEFORE... Zeus with Big Mom, Big Mom with her memory back, she is not ally, rather she became ENEMY this arc in alliance with Kaido... and he will equalize the battle through DIFFERENT parties like Marines/WG

Because that scenario is much more welcome by fans compared to Big Mom + Alliance vs Kaido. This was a BIG NO by fans

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Is Kaido not far beyond Katakuri? Also Wapol was right before Alabasta.

Kaido is above Katakuri... what's the point?

 

[Zowo]

Nah bruh It'll go to Luffy or Yamato, Spoils of War. Zoro can take back Shusui.

you really don t want zoro to get new swords lmao

 

[nik87]

Which is why I said "I have a feeling he had previous plans, and he CANCELLED THEM" my statements are clear... He had plans for making Big Mom an ally this arc, received a bashing from many fans... and he might have planned that Nami will maintain Zeus because when Big Mom regains her memories, she will realize that SH stood by her on many times, thus she will keep Zeus with Nami as a way to maintain a connection between them (same way as Lola and Vivre card)...etc..

I feel that was the ORIGINAL ROUTE Oda was going for, and fans SNAPPED at that idea... so, I just feel, he created a scenario to get back everything as it WAS BEFORE... Zeus with Big Mom, Big Mom with her memory back, she is not ally, rather she became ENEMY this arc in alliance with Kaido... and he will equalize the battle through DIFFERENT parties like Marines/WG

Because that scenario is much more welcome by fans compared to Big Mom + Alliance vs Kaido. This was a BIG NO by fans

That is still an IF scenario by you(a fan who has no impact on Oda's story writing)...
If we are talking IF scenarios I can come up with WCI arc without Katakuri entirely but both are irrelevant so let's not go there.
What Oda himself wrote is that memory loss was a major plot point which was a huge convenience for the Strawhats, period.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

That is still an IF scenario by you(a fan who has no impact on Oda's story writing)...
If we are talking IF scenarios I can come up with WCI arc without Katakuri entirely but both are irrelevant so let's not go there.
What Oda himself wrote is that memory loss was a major plot point which was a huge convenience for the Strawhats, period.

Of course I'm talking IF scenario

I'm saying "I have a FEELING" can't you read what I wrote LOL
I'm not saying that Oda did that as a fact, I'm saying I just feel that he had previous intentions, and when it was rejected by fans, he changed them... a FEELING, not necessarily true

 

[nik87]

Of course I'm talking IF scenario

I'm saying "I have a FEELING" can't you read what I wrote LOL
I'm not saying that Oda did that as a fact, I'm saying I just feel that he had previous intentions, and when it was rejected by fans, he changed them... a FEELING, not necessarily true

I can read just fine but I am ignoring what you are feeling because it is irrelevant to facts.
I can feel lots of things but it doesnt matter if manga does the opposite.
You said it could be done this way or that way, my point is that it wasnt done like that.
There is nothing to feel about it...