Current Events Is Oda leaving Sanji behind?
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@Kuro Ashi : I was also under the impression that Zoro will be fighting King. Just wanna see my boy go all out in a sword fight and King seemed like the obvious choice (since King seems to be having a sword). If it is Kaido or King or any of the calamities, then it should be fine. Zoro beating King should be really awesome. I mean last arc only Luffy was able to defeat a Yonko commander. So if in this arc Zoro can be a Yonko commander then I would be happy ! 
I don't think so...
Just because Sanji isn't getting the same treatment as Zoro doesn't mean that he's being left behind...
We have to remember that Zoro's end game is far different from Sanji's... Like Luffy, Zoro's end game concerns being "the best"... Sanji's role and dream is more of a profession thing (similar to Chopper's whom we don't see fighting that much as well nowadays)... It's not fair to compare Sanji's development based from Zoro's...
Besides, Oda is just reminding us that Luffy and Zoro really are on another level and now that Jinbe is here, Sanji will most likely be on his level, if we base it on how Oda portrayed Sanji and Jinbe so far...
We are at Wano, the parallel of Roger and Oden, the significance of the Dawn (Joy Boy?) and the Hero (Ryuma), are likely being pushed to Luffy and Zoro...
But that doesn't mean that Sanji and Jinbe are left behind... I believe they are set up to fight King and Queen... It's just that Marco needs to do the role that Black Maria and Who's Who are doing right now...
No SHs should be left behind in this arc... Sanji is fine, no need to worry about him... If we have to worry, it has to be about Robin and Chopper...
Just because Sanji isn't getting the same treatment as Zoro doesn't mean that he's being left behind...
We have to remember that Zoro's end game is far different from Sanji's... Like Luffy, Zoro's end game concerns being "the best"... Sanji's role and dream is more of a profession thing (similar to Chopper's whom we don't see fighting that much as well nowadays)... It's not fair to compare Sanji's development based from Zoro's...
Besides, Oda is just reminding us that Luffy and Zoro really are on another level and now that Jinbe is here, Sanji will most likely be on his level, if we base it on how Oda portrayed Sanji and Jinbe so far...
We are at Wano, the parallel of Roger and Oden, the significance of the Dawn (Joy Boy?) and the Hero (Ryuma), are likely being pushed to Luffy and Zoro...
But that doesn't mean that Sanji and Jinbe are left behind... I believe they are set up to fight King and Queen... It's just that Marco needs to do the role that Black Maria and Who's Who are doing right now...
No SHs should be left behind in this arc... Sanji is fine, no need to worry about him... If we have to worry, it has to be about Robin and Chopper...
Its not like the roof area is now closed. Correct? I mean people can still join the fight, right? I mean in another 15-20 chapters Jinbei/Franky/Sanji can defeat their opponents and join the fight at the roof top correct?
Of course I know that it will not be easy considering the fact that there is an army of beast pirates along with the calamities are there, but it is not impossible.
Of course I know that it will not be easy considering the fact that there is an army of beast pirates along with the calamities are there, but it is not impossible.
Zoro is Luffys first mate, Sanji isn't.
That's the role he plays on the roof, the way Killer does for Kidd.
The M3 always had a 1 a 2 and a 3. Yes, the 2 and the 3 are not the same. The 2 get's to be at Luffy's side as his first mate. That doesn't make the 3 any less than the 3 has always been and is always meant to be.
Zoro is Luffys strongest subordinate, so in his 1 vs 1 will defeat Kaido's strongest subordinate.
Sanji is Luffy's second strongest subordinate, so in his 1 vs 1 will defeat Kaido's second strongest subordinate.
These will be awesome fights, you can look forward to them :cheers:
That's the role he plays on the roof, the way Killer does for Kidd.
The M3 always had a 1 a 2 and a 3. Yes, the 2 and the 3 are not the same. The 2 get's to be at Luffy's side as his first mate. That doesn't make the 3 any less than the 3 has always been and is always meant to be.
Zoro is Luffys strongest subordinate, so in his 1 vs 1 will defeat Kaido's strongest subordinate.
Sanji is Luffy's second strongest subordinate, so in his 1 vs 1 will defeat Kaido's second strongest subordinate.
These will be awesome fights, you can look forward to them :cheers:
Yeah Oda had Zoro declare he wants to fight Kaido, get Enma, interact with the citizens of Wano and get mad, shoot past King without so much as them acknowledging each other this chapter or ever, reach the roof and have Oda literally say "these pirates will beat Kaido", only for Zoro to go downstairs next chapter and fight King. 
Just don't say we didn't warn you.
Just don't say we didn't warn you.
Yeah Oda had Zoro declare he wants to fight Kaido, get Enma, interact with the citizens of Wano and get mad, shoot past King without so much as them acknowledging each other this chapter or ever, reach the roof and have Oda literally say "these pirates will beat Kaido", only for Zoro to go downstairs next chapter and fight King.
Just don't say we didn't warn you.
Just don't say we didn't warn you.
For a character that had awesome fights and in each one of them he would grow stronger (cut steel, learn ranged attacks with a sword, asura, shuusui), Zoro is now the "You think you beat me? I only used 10% of my power!" trope. I personally find this kind of character extremely boring. Now he got a magic sword that cut cliffs by itself, and already tamed it, so there's no point in having a "fight to get stronger" for him. Gotta go for the top tiers apparently and "finally get serious".
Sanji was a cool character with a perverted gag. Post timeskip Oda hard to make Sanji be the Perverted character with some cool moments. At least that's how I feel since Fishman Island. The raid suit felt like an apology from Oda. "oh, sorry i nerfed you so much, Sanji. Here, get this toy and go play with the big boys again." The Black Maria thing is just a Khalifa scenario, not gonna overthink it too much. An excuse to keep him from getting to the roof at that moment. I would love for him to 1v1 either King or Queen, despite of what some think, I really like them. They are not as menacing as Katakuri was during Whole Cake, but Katakuri was the "main baddie" during that arc, meanwhile Big Mom was more like a stage hazard from a video game. King and Queen are not the main baddies, so Oda doesn't need to portrayal them as menacing as Katakuri, narratively speaking, but in no way it makes them weak. During Zou, Jack was terrifying, and we know he is intimidated by both of them. They are extremely strong, but not the main focus of the raid.
Really hoping out here, for that aerial battle goodness from a Sanji vs King all out fight.
Sanji vs Queen? also dope. Queen is, by far, my favorite Calamity.
Sanji was a cool character with a perverted gag. Post timeskip Oda hard to make Sanji be the Perverted character with some cool moments. At least that's how I feel since Fishman Island. The raid suit felt like an apology from Oda. "oh, sorry i nerfed you so much, Sanji. Here, get this toy and go play with the big boys again." The Black Maria thing is just a Khalifa scenario, not gonna overthink it too much. An excuse to keep him from getting to the roof at that moment. I would love for him to 1v1 either King or Queen, despite of what some think, I really like them. They are not as menacing as Katakuri was during Whole Cake, but Katakuri was the "main baddie" during that arc, meanwhile Big Mom was more like a stage hazard from a video game. King and Queen are not the main baddies, so Oda doesn't need to portrayal them as menacing as Katakuri, narratively speaking, but in no way it makes them weak. During Zou, Jack was terrifying, and we know he is intimidated by both of them. They are extremely strong, but not the main focus of the raid.
Really hoping out here, for that aerial battle goodness from a Sanji vs King all out fight.
Sanji vs Queen? also dope. Queen is, by far, my favorite Calamity.
It's fine as long Sanji fights a Calamity which is obvious at this point. Not everyone needs to fight Yonkou, and Calamities are more than respectable opponents in itself.
As for lack of Sanji fights, it's kinda obvious if Sanji stayed in DR he would have also gotten a fight. Franky and rest of SHGF members did, so i dont understand why people even use DR logic. Sanji left before the fights even started.
As for Zou it was a short arc without fights and he one shot whoever he did, and in WCI Oda wanted to showcase more of Sanji character than just being a fighter which Sanji really is. Sanji dream is related to cooking and he can fights when the crew needs him to. He fought during the Tea Party and saved Chiffon n Luffy with help. But like i said it was a special arc for him where Sanji makes a splendid cake which saved the SHs.
In the end people should realise it was a rescue arc where no one besides Luffy got to fight, which again was important for story to proceed. These fights established Luffy as a fighter that now have surpassed the YCs and can aim for Yonkou with gained PU like FS.
Conclusion is WCI was a special rescue arc and Wano is the one with fights like DR was. And Sanji is confirmed to get a major fight against Calamity here. So the criticism fans have against Sanji is unwarranted.
You also highlighted Sanji using RS against P1 as something negative when it is not the case at all. That established that Sanji clearly was stronger than Veterans which make his fight with Calamity believable. It also hints that RS isn''t even the ultimate card Sanji has up his sleeves. Ultimate card is something an author saves for final fight. So by using RS early, Oda likely planning to make a scenario where RS will fall short in beating a Calamity, and then Sanji will showcase more to KO Queen. (which is something all fans wants from Sanji).
Zoro fights in Wano also makes sense. It's Samurai related arc, it's given he's likely to play an important role in this arc. Plus it explains his jump in PL, rather make it somewhat consistent. Zoro fought, suffered wounds, got an Extra PU Enma, trained and will now fight Kaidou or King.
Sanji fans should stop with high expectations of him reaching the Top. Beating Queen at this point of story is very optimum for his character, even if he takes some help.
As for lack of Sanji fights, it's kinda obvious if Sanji stayed in DR he would have also gotten a fight. Franky and rest of SHGF members did, so i dont understand why people even use DR logic. Sanji left before the fights even started.
As for Zou it was a short arc without fights and he one shot whoever he did, and in WCI Oda wanted to showcase more of Sanji character than just being a fighter which Sanji really is. Sanji dream is related to cooking and he can fights when the crew needs him to. He fought during the Tea Party and saved Chiffon n Luffy with help. But like i said it was a special arc for him where Sanji makes a splendid cake which saved the SHs.
In the end people should realise it was a rescue arc where no one besides Luffy got to fight, which again was important for story to proceed. These fights established Luffy as a fighter that now have surpassed the YCs and can aim for Yonkou with gained PU like FS.
Conclusion is WCI was a special rescue arc and Wano is the one with fights like DR was. And Sanji is confirmed to get a major fight against Calamity here. So the criticism fans have against Sanji is unwarranted.
You also highlighted Sanji using RS against P1 as something negative when it is not the case at all. That established that Sanji clearly was stronger than Veterans which make his fight with Calamity believable. It also hints that RS isn''t even the ultimate card Sanji has up his sleeves. Ultimate card is something an author saves for final fight. So by using RS early, Oda likely planning to make a scenario where RS will fall short in beating a Calamity, and then Sanji will showcase more to KO Queen. (which is something all fans wants from Sanji).
Zoro fights in Wano also makes sense. It's Samurai related arc, it's given he's likely to play an important role in this arc. Plus it explains his jump in PL, rather make it somewhat consistent. Zoro fought, suffered wounds, got an Extra PU Enma, trained and will now fight Kaidou or King.
Sanji fans should stop with high expectations of him reaching the Top. Beating Queen at this point of story is very optimum for his character, even if he takes some help.
Yeah Oda had Zoro declare he wants to fight Kaido, get Enma, interact with the citizens of Wano and get mad, shoot past King without so much as them acknowledging each other this chapter or ever, reach the roof and have Oda literally say "these pirates will beat Kaido", only for Zoro to go downstairs next chapter and fight King.
Just don't say we didn't warn you.
Just don't say we didn't warn you.
He will manage to open Kaido's scar, that's the role he plays on the roof and the build up of him getting Oden's sword which was used to create that scar to begin with.
@zzShinichi don't project your insecurities on me
I was on the side of Zoro vs King when many argued that he's not even strong enough to fight him, and was called someone who overestimates the SH's
I was on the side of Zoro vs King when many Sanji fans argued that Sanji should fight King, and some called me out for not siding with Sanji
I am on the side of Zoro vs King now when y'all get flustered over the fact that he's on the roof and somehow you think everything is set in stone, and the fights will go smoothly exactly as they are set up at this point in time.
You might as well also argue that Sanji will beat up Black Maria because she's the closest opponent, just get caught in the moment all the way. Actually, i've seen some make that argument.
I'm simply not being shortsighted and not letting my feelings get in the way of how i judge things in regards to these match-ups.
It isnt oda leaving Sanji behind. He is just doing what was destined to happen. If you just consider fighting then it seems as though he is being left behind however, if you consider Sanji's tole and character, he has not been left behind.
Luffy and Zoro are fighters and their roles require that. So it is obvious they will receive fights.we are in yonko saga so obviously they will go against them
Sanji is a cook. If you look throughout new world, hie cooking has been emphasized. He has been advancing in his cooking. If you just look at cooking compared to Fighting of Luffy and Zoro, thrn Sanji has not fallen behind at all. He baked a cake for a yonko.
Luffy and Zoro are fighters and their roles require that. So it is obvious they will receive fights.we are in yonko saga so obviously they will go against them
Sanji is a cook. If you look throughout new world, hie cooking has been emphasized. He has been advancing in his cooking. If you just look at cooking compared to Fighting of Luffy and Zoro, thrn Sanji has not fallen behind at all. He baked a cake for a yonko.
And then got a Raid Suit.
If that's for cooking, then Oda's intention is for him to be left behind in regards to combat.
If that's for combat, then Oda's intention is for him to keep up in spite of his cooking.
Obviously, keeping up means what it's always meant. Luffy > Zoro > Sanji , and they are above everyone else.
If that's for cooking, then Oda's intention is for him to be left behind in regards to combat.
If that's for combat, then Oda's intention is for him to keep up in spite of his cooking.
Obviously, keeping up means what it's always meant. Luffy > Zoro > Sanji , and they are above everyone else.