Current Events Is One Piece Turning Into Naruto? Does Conqueror’s Haki Ruin Zoro?

[Malick the last Light]

Does Conqueror’s Haki ruin Zoro? No it doesn't.

Does being born a conqueror undermine all of Zoro’s hard work? No it doesn't.

Why? Because it just like what Rayleigh said, Haosoku Haki is only as strong as the user. So if anything, for Zoro to have a strong Haosoku Haki means that he's strong and that all of his struggles towards achieving his dreams has started to pay off.

Also from what we understand CoC without training your ass off is literally nothing more than an effective fodder cleaner.

For it to be worth anything in a combat scenario against vaguely similarly strong opponents it requires training. Even IF Zoro had conquerors from birth, without the training that he did he would have never been able to become the man he is today.

Even people that dislike Zoro having CoC should agree with that unless they legitimately think that Zoro was able to use Asura from birth without any training.

 

[KageFumi]

Oda :

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1380503518998523912

 

[Master OF Haki]

The message Oda is sending with this is becoming clear: want to succeed in life? Well, you’d better hope you were chosen by destiny at birth, or you pretty much have no chance at ever accomplishing something great. I’d like to meet an OP top tier who achieved their status despite not being born a god-king.

That's pretty much it, you're starting to wake up on Oda destroying characters one by one one. The best example I can give you is Sanji: Sanji's family thinks that Sanji is weak, that he's a failure. The entire WCI arc was built around Sanji being weak and not like his brothers/sister who are genetically modified. Judge was constantly making fun of Sanji in regards to his strength–and the logical conclusion, the only conclusion of that plot would be Sanji proving them wrong. But guess what? Sanji did the opposite, he actually proved Judge right. The vinsmokes gave the "stealth black" to Sanji to make fun of him and Sanji accepted it. What Oda is trying to say here is "kids don't be aspired to become who or what you want to be, you will not succeed, hard work doesn't pay off" that's his massage to his fans.

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[Luffy bin Dragon]

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Sanji and Zoro went from normal dudes from East Blue to chosen by the heavens guys with powerful bloodlines

Even Naruto at least allowed Sakura to be Kage level Without any bloodline shit.

Normal dudes? Zoro was never normal

 

[Malick the last Light]

That's pretty much it, you're starting to wake up on Oda destroying characters one by one one. The best example I can give you is Sanji: Sanji's family thinks that Sanji is weak, that he's a failure. The entire WCI arc was built around Sanji being weak and not like his brothers/sister who are genetically modified. Judge was constantly making fun of Sanji in regards to his strength–and the logical conclusion, the only conclusion of that plot would be Sanji proving them wrong. But guess what? Sanji did the opposite, he actually proved Judge right. The vinsmokes gave the "stealth black" to Sanji to make fun of him and Sanji accepted it. What is trying to say here is "kids don't be aspired to become who or what you want to be, you will not succeed, hard work doesn't pay off" that's his massage to his fans.

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I find it hilarious that anybody can claim this about the story where the only reason the main character will succeed in his goals is because he refused to listen to all of the numerous people along the road who told him how utterly impossible his dream was for him to achieve.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

That's pretty much it, you're starting to wake up on Oda destroying characters one by one one. The best example I can give you is Sanji: Sanji's family thinks that Sanji is weak, that he's a failure. The entire WCI arc was built around Sanji being weak and not like his brothers/sister who are genetically modified. Judge was constantly making fun of Sanji in regards to his strength–and the logical conclusion, the only conclusion of that plot would be Sanji proving them wrong. But guess what? Sanji did the opposite, he actually proved Judge right. The vinsmokes gave the "stealth black" to Sanji to make fun of him and Sanji accepted it. What Oda is trying to say here is "kids don't be aspired to become who or what you want to be, you will not succeed, hard work doesn't pay off" that's his massage to his fans.

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So Oda started this in chapter 2? Literally said its Destiny. He didn't ruin anything. Its always been this way

 

[Midnight Delight]

To be honest. It was already ridiculous when the Sea Kings revealed that the "Chosen One" was gonna be born in a Specific age. More or less disqualifying Blackbeard from being him due to being born too early

At this point Blackbeard will feel like the Underdog against Luffy fighting against Fate itself

 

[Master OF Haki]

I find it hilarious that anybody can claim this about the show where the only reason the main character will succeed in his goals is because he refused to listen to all of the numerous people along the road who told him how utterly impossible his dream was for him to achieve.

With the amount of plot armor and pure unexplained or justified luck Luffy has, anybody would succeed. Give Luffy the same humble beginnings as the others and Luffy dies on east blue.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I find it hilarious that anybody can claim this about the show where the only reason the main character will succeed in his goals is because he refused to listen to all of the numerous people along the road who told him how utterly impossible his dream was for him to achieve.

Is that really the only reason Luffy will succeed though? Lmao

If Luffy were born in Usopp’s body, he wouldn’t have made it past the East Blue. He was chosen by Garp/Dragon level genetics.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

With the amount of plot armor and pure unexplained or justified luck Luffy has, anybody would succeed. Give Luffy the same humble beginnings as the others and Luffy dies on east blue.

Bro are you reading the story? First you said its not about Destiny stuff, when its stated on chapter 2 that it is. Now you talking about Luffy being Lucky when Luck/Faith is a major apart of the story. Ofcourse Luffy dies in the East blue, Roger would be dead too cause Garp said Roger was lucky.

This man lucky he got a right hand like Ray and OP doctor like crocus

 

[bennbeckman]

I think Luffy is turning into Naruto

Conquerors does not undermine Zoro's hard work, he's always trained every day and gotten stronger and he'll keep doing that

 

[Malick the last Light]

Is that really the only reason Luffy will succeed though? Lmao

If Luffy were born in Usopp’s body, he wouldn’t have made it past the East Blue. He was chosen by Garp/Dragon level genetics.

Good genetics do not invalidate a character. It is bullshit to claim otherwise. One Piece never pretended EVERYBODY can become Pirate King, so why do some fans act like it ever said it did? Luck is absolutely fucking needed. Luffy were it not for pure luck would have died hundreds of times along his journey. But despite all his "good genetics" if Luffy did not have the will to strife for greatness and train for it?

He would not be the man that will one day become pirate King. Having a good start is worthless on its own if you don't try your hardest.

And that is still true for Zoro, Luffy and pretty much every other character people bitch about for being born more "special" than others.

 

[Salah WG]

CoC is perfect Power to differentiate the Strong from the Weak
It actually solves Naruto Problem, not ruin Story

Because logically if you just Train, there is no way you're gonna be stronger than someone who trained more than you
If you want a realistic Shonen then Main Characters can never ever surpass Older People who trained more than them

That's why Mangaka have to come out with a way to help Main Character(s) stand out from rest & explain why they could move on through the Story at faster pace than rest. And we have three Answers for that:

Naruto went the Wrong Way by making Naruto given so much Chakra & Power from Birth, meaning he have no Potential or Special Qualities, not to mention that he was a Kid with no real training or even enough intellect. So Masashi just gave him Free Power that was given to him by others & that's it

Hunter x Hunter on the other hand chose to accept that reality & make Gon & Killua indeed weaker than those more experienced than them but to make them stand out, he made them have very high potential by giving them unique childhood & also unique character that helps their growth (Especially since Nen is related to someone's character)

One Piece on the other hand chose to create this new Power that only those with very strong will can have it & it's a good solution because it allows Oda to not rely on time spent in training & powers given by others (such as Sharingan & Kyuubi) but actually your willpower & this is realistic because u can find weak people with more willpower than those stronger than them.

It's about Ambition that's why the word "Dream" is interchangeable with "One Piece", so it's like saying who ever Dreams bigger will end up reaching Higher! & that is why Luffy have that Secret Dream, it's what will explain how we became Greatest Individual ever EOS & same for Zoro who said he wants to make even Heavens know of his name so clearly he is destined for greatness

Naruto chose Free Power/Chakra/Family Abilities ---> Bad Choice
Hunter chose to be Realistic & make Gon/Killua accept their Failures but have Best Potential at least ---> Best Choice (Favorite imo)
One Piece chose to make Willpower what decides the greatness race ---> Good Choice

 

[duckman]

That's pretty much it, you're starting to wake up on Oda destroying characters one by one one. The best example I can give you is Sanji: Sanji's family thinks that Sanji is weak, that he's a failure. The entire WCI arc was built around Sanji being weak and not like his brothers/sister who are genetically modified. Judge was constantly making fun of Sanji in regards to his strength–and the logical conclusion, the only conclusion of that plot would be Sanji proving them wrong. But guess what? Sanji did the opposite, he actually proved Judge right. The vinsmokes gave the "stealth black" to Sanji to make fun of him and Sanji accepted it. What Oda is trying to say here is "kids don't be aspired to become who or what you want to be, you will not succeed, hard work doesn't pay off" that's his massage to his fans.

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Reminder that Whole Cake Opened with Sanji defeating his brother in a Raid Suit, ergo taking that out of the equation. It also featured several characters in all factions complimenting Sanji's power as worthy of Germa. If that was your takeaway, then fair. it's wrong, but fair.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

It won't as long as Joy boy or Ryuma doesn't appear in Luffy/Zoro's inner world and hand them free power-ups so they can solo Onigashima sized demons.

 

[Weeman]

I don't think it's turning into Naruto as a whole.
Conqueror's haki, like any other haki is most likely a latent power that everyone has but only those that can really impose their will onto others can achieve.

Luffy is the only one whose character is questionable, because it feels like fate itself just wants him to live, and it's been that way pretty much since Loguetown. But he's still had to face many hardships and train to get to where he is anyway. It's still got nothing to do with genetics though, with him it's more of a chosen one/fate thing with the whole joyboy stuff.

The politics and power dynamics are also very different from the world of Naruto. Hell here we have the celestial dragons, being treated as literal gods just for being descendants of an important family, but it's clear that Oda is trying to tell that lineage doesn't matter, it's character that does.

Sanji being a son of Germa doesn't matter because he wasn't genetically enchanced, he was literally casted aside as garbage and had to build up his own life from scratch again.

Zoro having conqueror's also doesn't change anything, his resolve came from Kuina's death and that resolve and hard work is what eventually led him to unlock CoC. If he had been raised as some farmboy and never trained, his lineage or latent CoC or whatever wouldn't have given him shit.

 

[Thabeast]

Luffy definetely turning into Naruto with the Joyboy shit.
Zoro though, not really.

CoC is related to ambition, spirit, etc. All of which Zoro ticks so it would be unnatural for Zoro not to have CoC.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

one piece already went down that rabbithole when "2nd joyboy would be born 20 yrs from now "

 

[RayanOO]

No it doesn’t ruin Zoro character, COC was long established and the likehood Zoro would have it was pretty high for a long long time. We all knew since Rayleigh had it that Zoro would likely have it too.

But COC being a « born » thing is shit. If people with willpower could awaken it it would be good but even if you have insane willpower if you’re not born with CoC it’s dead for you because you can’t train that or obtain it. Only birth. Lame.

also all that prophecy with Luffy , joyboy, sea kings etc is quite lame too. I can’t stand prophecy guys anymore especially when it revealed late in the game.