Controversial Is The World Government A Good System?

#21
It's a horrible system. If your place is unaffiliated, you either become an extremely poor country (e.g.: Sphinx), a lawless place (e.g.: Whiskey Peak, Jaya, Hachinosu) or a place prone to have internal conflicts (e.g.: Broc Coli Island) and be looted by pirates (e.g.: Orange Town)... that's if you don't have the "luck" of being the site of the triennial "Native Hunting Competition" (in other words, once in every 3 years your country would have the chance of being completely wiped out). That's why some places decide to go under a Yonko's flag, because, depending on the Yonko, you may have a better standing against the dangers of the OP's world (although you aren't completely safe, even with the most benevolent protector... as seen with the WB-affiliated places after WB's death).

If you're affiliated, then you'll need to pay the extravagant "heavenly tribute", which may bankrupt your country (e.g.: Lulusia Kindgom), split it (e.g.: Sorbet Kingdom) or even make you wage wars and loot other countries to maintain your status (e.g.: Vodka Kingdom). Even then, kingdoms as relevant as Arabasta and Dressrosa still fell prey to dreadful pirates, so you wouldn't be totally safe, even if you're a noble citizen of a WG-affiliated country.
 
#24
Meh, all the manga focuses on is the corruption at the very top with the celestial dragons. Besides that? You just have a group of kings deciding world policy. The thing is, besides the CD/VC stuff,countries can basically do whatever they want,except for allying with pirates like Germa 66 tried to do, but before that they were allowed to start wars etc, meaning the wg doesn't have a NATO like policy, countries can go to war with eachother. And countries are allowed to have regime changes(Drum Island and there was no intervention in the Alabasta civil war). Theres also a ban on the rain water stuff from Alabasta, but besides that, we dont know any other WG laws. All we really knoe about the kingdoms politics is Garp saying its hard for all the kingdoms to get along, and yeah. Probably.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#27
Ancient Greece level 'democracy' where it only applies to a select few group of society is no longer seen as true democracy
What's your deal🤡 are you defending the WG all OK a sudden? Saint Shanks will be happy to hear
Because we are discussing the ideal version of what a world government would be, not the WG as it actually exists

The WG in concept is a democracy where all member nations get an equal voice and an equal vote. That is the definition of a democracy my guy.
 
#28
Iirc, the WG does have a one nation one vote system like the UN does(though the UN isn't democratic because it has the security council which is probably what the Gorosei represent)
Despite discrimination,Fishman island still has a vote like the other countries.

The WG is for sure not supposed to be an elected monarchy,at least in ideals. Thats what the empty throne is supposed to represent...
 
#29
That’s because the WG is incompetent, this isn’t an inherent flaw in a world democracy lol.

A true ideal democracy is probably a better idea in principal than an ideal authoritarian state. Probably.
Democracy is inherently flawed because it allows lunatics like Trump to get in power by allowing idiots to vote. There's no ideal system when humanity itself is flawed lol.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#30
Democracy is inherently flawed because it allows lunatics like Trump to get in power by allowing idiots to vote. There's no ideal system when humanity itself is flawed lol.
Meh

Blaming democracy because people are retarded isn’t fair to democracy. In an ideal democracy, all parties are equally well informed and are voting for the right reasons and not corrupt ones. Whether or not such a system is possible is up for debate but authoritarianism is not the solution to the retardation of the populace
 
#31
Meh

Blaming democracy because people are retarded isn’t fair to democracy. In an ideal democracy, all parties are equally well informed and are voting for the right reasons and not corrupt ones. Whether or not such a system is possible is up for debate but authoritarianism is not the solution to the retardation of the populace
In this case, communism is way better since it is ''equality for everyone'' whereas true democracy is the majority only and minorities have no saying.
 
#32
When democracy works correctly and isn’t ran by demons, isn’t protecting slave traders, and isn’t erasing history, sure

The World Government is a good idea in principal, but the WG in the manga is comically corrupt and evil.
This.

Good in theory, but It is run by literal demons, so.

Btw, that Is what characters actually say in the canon.

 
#33
Because we are discussing the ideal version of what a world government would be, not the WG as it actually exists

The WG in concept is a democracy where all member nations get an equal voice and an equal vote. That is the definition of a democracy my guy.
Yes THE MEMBER NATIONS

If anything the WG system is a half baked idea that has corruptibility embedded within it's very structure. Having a nice idea on how to build a government isn't enough . The WG was bound to become as rotten as it is because of flaws in the theoretical system.

Plus the WG is adapting. Warlords are relatively new, yonko haven't been around before those that we know of. Therefore the system allows for flexibility and based on what we have seen of it so far, the central kingdom with CDs as a godlike status is the main issue, all recent changes to the government structure were made to secure the status quo and protect the useless bum ass CDs from ever being touched.
The WG lacks any sort of relevant checks and balances.

Its democratic values only apply to like 1% of the WORLD while it simultaneously calls itself the WORLD government. Don't you see the issue here?
Ultimately, the one who's the last word is always Imu who may choose to nuke anyone they wish, even affiliated countries, even CDs won't be safe.

Remove Imu and you're still dealing with a tyrannical regime that censors and rewrites history, extracts ridiculously high taxes from the member countries to feed an elite that never even steps foot on ''commoner'' soil without an entourage of bodyguards, personal slaves and a gun in hand to legally shoot and kill anyone who dares so much as to look at them the wrong way, who may choose to kidnap and enslave any person they want.

The WG's hinges on the CDs' existence. If we remove the CDs then what would be left of the actual WG system?
We can keep playing this game of removing problematic part after problematic part of the WG system until we are left with nothing 😂
 
#34
Yes THE MEMBER NATIONS
Remove Imu and you're still dealing with a tyrannical regime that censors and rewrites history, extracts ridiculously high taxes from the member countries to feed an elite that never even steps foot on ''commoner'' soil without an entourage of bodyguards, p
Not really though.
Remove Imu and the Cds and you actually have this:

 
#35
Democracy is inherently flawed because it allows lunatics like Trump to get in power by allowing idiots to vote. There's no ideal system when humanity itself is flawed lol.
And who's the king that replaces democracy? You??
In this case, communism is way better since it is ''equality for everyone''
All the Democratic People's Republics say hello

Not really though.
Remove Imu and the Cds and you actually have this:

Right
''Kings of the world'' = democracy
:pepeke:
 
#38
Are you a bot or what?
What point are you making ?
Lol
Can you actually read what you yourself had written or I have to spell is out for you?

I answered to some points you had made that had nothing to do with democracy, at which you replayed "Kings=democracy", which didn't have any bearing at all in what I had said.
 
#39
Lol
Can you actually read what you yourself had written or I have to spell is out for you?

I answered to some points you had made that had nothing to do with democracy, at which you replayed "Kings=democracy", which didn't have any bearing at all in what I had said.
''You are wrong but also you are right''
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#40
''You are wrong but also you are right''
- TAC alt #9518372


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Lol

Anyway, as stated, that is.

And it's no coincidence the Reverie is probably going to become the main "political body" of the WG after the CDs downfall. It is already the highest authority under the Gorosei (it's not clear if a single, random CD can overthrow a Reverie's decision, probably not since Myosgard letter wasn't enough to grant FI relocation but Reverie's decision could do so).
We already know even the FA, as a military and to not a political role, is under the Reverie. Probably Kong too.

So:
Imu
Gorosei
Reverie
random CDs.
 
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