Speculations Is Wano Really Zoro’s Arc? The Difference Between a Broken Promise and an Unfulfilled Expectation.
C'mon stop with the toxicity and let's take a serious look at this
Law and Kidd are simply not good enough to help Luffy in defeating Kaido rn. You can't claim they will just because they are standing next to the SH, Oda probably just wanted to take an epic picture of them after the Sabaody events took place. This is as disingenous as believing Scopper Gaban was the third strongest Roger Pirate in that he was standing next to Ray.
Either these novas learn advanced haki which would be very awful writing, or Zoro will help Luffy in that he has undertaken a specific training.
Law and Kidd are simply not good enough to help Luffy in defeating Kaido rn. You can't claim they will just because they are standing next to the SH, Oda probably just wanted to take an epic picture of them after the Sabaody events took place. This is as disingenous as believing Scopper Gaban was the third strongest Roger Pirate in that he was standing next to Ray.
Either these novas learn advanced haki which would be very awful writing, or Zoro will help Luffy in that he has undertaken a specific training.
Yeah ok, but I assume that those are just highlights of panel time for zoro post time skip in the new world, something that EVERY straw hats gets, not just zoro. What im talking about, what zoro needs in this arc is a fight for him to push him to and beyond his limit so we can see his full power.
All of zoro's fights postimeskip have either been one shots and low diffs, OR zoro being completely outmatched. Its either side of the spectrum and nothing in-between. Zoro really needs a good fight so we can properly and accurately gauge how strong he truly and realistically is. Sanji to some extend also shares this same problem. So does Robin, but I don't think that even matters now or oda even cares about her anymore.
I dont care about zoro feats, since im not gonna use it like a one piece fanboy to use to debate in VS threads on this forum. I care about Zoro getting a good and hard fight because like me and also a lot of other readers want to know how strong zoro has zoro gotten from the timeskip, what are his current limits, and where he stands in general. And because of the fights he has had now, we still dont accurately know how strong he currently is right now, not even after being impaled in the shoulder by killer or clashing with denjiro.
We know that luffy's current limits are: being able and strong enough to defeat yonko commanders, won't pass out but will be tired to the point he cant move much nor fight even further (katakuri, Cracker). His strongest gear 4 attacks are shown to not be able to seriously injure a yonko, and that when given the chance, a yonko is still strong enough to oneshot luffy (kaido), so luffy has better stamina now than before, but his durability is still not up to speed with his other stats. SC Snack is implied to to be weaker than both cracker and katakuri, so its safe to say that luffy would beat him as well. Luffy now comfortably sits at yonko commander level, wether he is 1st mate or yc4 material, or somewhere inbetween we don't exactly and accurately know, although we have seen enough to take a good and educated guess.
We don't know the same for zoro, and the information that we do have, is from pre timeskip, its outdated information. Low diffing Hozu the octopus, slicing up Pica, getting crushed into the ground by fujitora or slicing hawkins a couple of time and finishing off Killer in one move after being impaled by him tells us nothing of his current and true strength.
If we were to say zoro fights King, can we accurately say if zoro is currently strong enough to beat king, and if zoro is, at what level of difficulty would he accomplish it? These are all questions that still remain unanswered because the lack of feats and zoro fights that push him to and beyond his limits. how would Zoro fare against Queen or Jack? Win or lose, what difficulty? Its all hard to know.
That's why zoro needs a real, hard and good fight. so we can have all these questions answered. right now we know that sanji is stronger than Oven but weaker than Katakuri. That puts sanji somewhere around daifuku's place, without counting the raid suit, gets knocked back by his genie without the raid suit, but also leaves unscathed with no injuries.
Now compared to Sanji and Luffy, what do we know about zoro's level of strength? Not much tbh, there isn't enough good and hard fights to look from.
So like i say, its also the strength of the opponent and the difficulty of the fights that matters. Highlights and panel time tells us nothing, it only tells us that Oda hasn't forgotten about them and the character he's drawing.
All of zoro's fights postimeskip have either been one shots and low diffs, OR zoro being completely outmatched. Its either side of the spectrum and nothing in-between. Zoro really needs a good fight so we can properly and accurately gauge how strong he truly and realistically is. Sanji to some extend also shares this same problem. So does Robin, but I don't think that even matters now or oda even cares about her anymore.
I dont care about zoro feats, since im not gonna use it like a one piece fanboy to use to debate in VS threads on this forum. I care about Zoro getting a good and hard fight because like me and also a lot of other readers want to know how strong zoro has zoro gotten from the timeskip, what are his current limits, and where he stands in general. And because of the fights he has had now, we still dont accurately know how strong he currently is right now, not even after being impaled in the shoulder by killer or clashing with denjiro.
We know that luffy's current limits are: being able and strong enough to defeat yonko commanders, won't pass out but will be tired to the point he cant move much nor fight even further (katakuri, Cracker). His strongest gear 4 attacks are shown to not be able to seriously injure a yonko, and that when given the chance, a yonko is still strong enough to oneshot luffy (kaido), so luffy has better stamina now than before, but his durability is still not up to speed with his other stats. SC Snack is implied to to be weaker than both cracker and katakuri, so its safe to say that luffy would beat him as well. Luffy now comfortably sits at yonko commander level, wether he is 1st mate or yc4 material, or somewhere inbetween we don't exactly and accurately know, although we have seen enough to take a good and educated guess.
We don't know the same for zoro, and the information that we do have, is from pre timeskip, its outdated information. Low diffing Hozu the octopus, slicing up Pica, getting crushed into the ground by fujitora or slicing hawkins a couple of time and finishing off Killer in one move after being impaled by him tells us nothing of his current and true strength.
If we were to say zoro fights King, can we accurately say if zoro is currently strong enough to beat king, and if zoro is, at what level of difficulty would he accomplish it? These are all questions that still remain unanswered because the lack of feats and zoro fights that push him to and beyond his limits. how would Zoro fare against Queen or Jack? Win or lose, what difficulty? Its all hard to know.
That's why zoro needs a real, hard and good fight. so we can have all these questions answered. right now we know that sanji is stronger than Oven but weaker than Katakuri. That puts sanji somewhere around daifuku's place, without counting the raid suit, gets knocked back by his genie without the raid suit, but also leaves unscathed with no injuries.
Now compared to Sanji and Luffy, what do we know about zoro's level of strength? Not much tbh, there isn't enough good and hard fights to look from.
So like i say, its also the strength of the opponent and the difficulty of the fights that matters. Highlights and panel time tells us nothing, it only tells us that Oda hasn't forgotten about them and the character he's drawing.
Yeah, him (and the rest of the Wano characters) could have shot right up now after that flashback, particularly given the length of it. I wouldn't be surprised if Oden was in second now. Of course, his role in the story is done, but Zoro's still around, so I think by the end he'll be back in second.
51 votes 'No' and counting. Ouch....I thought it be extreme wank in voting, but nah. Zoro-fans got shutdown hard in this poll and topic. Guess after seeing direction Zoro is heading and being hype tool, push down fanbase for most to stop thinking it's 'his arc' when Oda never stated anything on Zoro like that.
Glad many are coming to sense while others who never believe in first place let their points be known
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Glad many are coming to sense while others who never believe in first place let their points be known
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